Topic: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile - page 7. (Read 18511 times)

The aircraft should not pass through the conflict area where the warring parties mutually deny shooting the plane, the plane that passes through the area of conflict has had to bear the risk of stray rocket fired by both warring parties, hopefully this be a lesson for the next time flight commercial areas of conflict despite not passing on any height ... 

Well it was almost certainly russian backed troops that had shot down the plane, primarly evidenced by the fact that russian backed groups had boasted about shooting down a ukraine plane around the time that MH17 was shot down, plus the location of where the plane was flying at the time it was shot down

What has Australian Prime Minister been sniffing?
http://finance.rambler.ru/news/economics/153538713.html?utm_source=news&utm_content=finance&utm_medium=midcol&utm_campaign=cross_promo
He suggested to Putin that Russia should apologise and pay compensation to the relative of the victims of MH-17 shot down over Ukraine (most probably by NATO-backed Kiev airforce)

Aussie PM owes Putin an apology over MH17 blame game – senior MP
http://rt.com/politics/197528-russian-duma-mh17-german/


Germany’s intel agency says MH17 downed by Ukraine militia – report
http://rt.com/news/197316-germany-blames-militia-crash/

http://player.rutv.ru/iframe/video/id/947083/start_zoom/true/showZoomBtn/false/sid/vesti?time_play=0&isPlay=true&showPopUpBtn=false&showZoomBtn=true

Even if it would have been the East Ukrainians shooting the plane (which it wasn't), it would have been Ukrainians shooting the plane but it is obviously a plane that shoot up MH17 then it wasn't the East Ukrainians fighters

Thanks for the info, pal. Now its obvious that its ukrainians shot down MH17

Russian TV Published Propaganda About MH17 That Actually Disproved The Kremlin's Main Theory


Anyone who has been following the debate over the downing of MH17 will know one point of contention is which weapon was used to down MH17. On one side you have people who say it was mostly likely a missile launched by a Buk missile launcher, and on the other people claiming it was cannon fire from a jet. Generally the former claim is used to link the separatists to the downing of MH17, while the latter is used to claim the Ukrainian government was responsible.

Russian television will today broadcast a special report, previewed on Dmitry Kiselyov‘s Вести недели (News of the Week) programme on October 5th. Dmitry Kiselyov is very well known in Russia, and was last year appointed by Vladimir Putin as head of the new official Russian government owned international news agency Rossiya Segodnya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6HDR32KEAns

Presented by Arkady Mamontov, a Russian journalist who last year linked the Chelyabinsk Meteorite incident to gay activism, it promises to explore the downing of MH17 in depth, and in the preview they demonstrate the lengths they’ve gone to in their investigation by arranging to have a live fire exercise to test out cannon fire on aircraft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gzw363q1N3o

Anyone who has been following the debate over the downing of MH17 will know one point of contention is which weapon was used to down MH17. On one side you have people who say it was mostly likely a missile launched by a Buk missile launcher, and on the other people claiming it was cannon fire from a jet. Generally the former claim is used to link the separatists to the downing of MH17, while the latter is used to claim the Ukrainian government was responsible.

Russian television will today broadcast a special report, previewed on Dmitry Kiselyov‘s Вести недели (News of the Week) programme on October 5th. Dmitry Kiselyov is very well known in Russia, and was last year appointed by Vladimir Putin as head of the new official Russian government owned international news agency Rossiya Segodnya.

Presented by Arkady Mamontov, a Russian journalist who last year linked the Chelyabinsk Meteorite incident to gay activism, it promises to explore the downing of MH17 in depth, and in the preview they demonstrate the lengths they’ve gone to in their investigation by arranging to have a live fire exercise to test out cannon fire on aircraft.

First we’re shown the entry holes created by the cannon fire, several holes of a consistent size and shape.



Next, the other side of the aircraft, where along with the larger exit holes we also have much smaller holes of various shapes and sizes





So here we have a pattern of damage established, consistently shaped and sized entry holes and the same shaped exit holes surrounded by smaller exit holes of various shapes and sizes. There’s even a comparison shot of the MH17 wreckage to demonstrate how closely the damage matches.



However, there’s been many photographs of the wreckage of MH17 posted online, and some of these show clear examples of the initial damage done to MH17 when it was first hit. This panel, from above and behind the flight deck windows (discussed here at length), shows clear examples of entry holes coming from outside the aircraft.



It’s clear that unlike the entry holes in the Russian video, these holes are a wide variety of shapes and sizes. This image shows the full panel with many more points of penetration.



It’s also worth noting that many of the 30mm cannon scenarios involve the attacking aircraft coming from below, generally from behind, yet the above images clearly show the impacts coming from above the flight deck.

Another example of MH17 entry holes comes from ANNA News, a Russian language news channel embedded with separatists in Ukraine. In this video they are given a tour of the wreckage by separatists, where they are shown part of the aircraft it is claimed was hit by cannon fire. Here’s a image from the video showing the entry holes.



We get a sense of the size of these holes in this image.



This is what’s claimed to be entry holes from cannon fire, but as we can see, compared to the Russian TV piece on the damage done to MH17 there’s a significant size difference.



It’s been possible to ascertain that the panel in the ANNA News video was positioned above the flight desk windows, on the starboard side of the aircraft (details here), so, as with the earlier example, this shows cannon fire from below and/or behind the aircraft could not have caused this damage.

Thanks to the Russian channel’s work we now have a rare chance to compare the damage from cannon fire on aircraft to the damage done to MH17. Based on the Russian channel’s own tests it seems clear that the entry holes visible in the above examples do not match what’s shown in the Russian channel’s own tests. It seems that rather than prove MH17 was shot down by cannon fire as they claim, they’ve inadvertently provided evidence that it wasn’t.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-tv-inadvertently-published-propaganda-about-mh17-that-disproved-the-kremlins-main-theory-2014-10

1) If Russia will want so, Ukraine will become a new federal subject in less than 1 week despite of US wishes and interventions. US will impose another ridiculous set of sanctions but won't be able to do anything with that.
2) This won't happen even if Ukraine will pay a big bribe. Nobody needs any sovereignty on such kind of region. And reason is very simple, Ukraine itself is nothing but combination of enormously crazy debt and very poor people with destroyed infrastructure. Even if Ukrainian government will decide to sell all lands and other property, that won't be enough to cover payments for these debts, development of infrastructure and social obligations.

If the US had not intervened then the Ukraine would be part of Russia right now. The short term consequences of the conflict may be eliminated however it would put a very unstable country that is not exactly friendly with the western world at a big economic, trade and military advantage over the US and Europe. The long term consequences of this would be great.

I don't see how an O2 mask would validate that the plane was shot down by an air to air missile? If the plane was shot down by a SAM it would not have fallen straight out of the sky. The plane was several miles in the air and it would take gravity several minutes to get it down to the ground.  

That was obvious from the very brginning, that it was shot down by ukrainian plane.

of course we are all concerned over the incident, the incident made ​​the eyes of the world were stunned, because it turns a commercial airplane carrying civilians became victims of the shooting of the country there is a conflict, it is proved that a war can cause a lot of casualties, especially from civil side, the authorities may be able to immediately find the shooter, hopefully this war quickly ended ... 

The now former head of Ukrainian SBU had a slip of the tongue during a press conference the other day. He said that Kiev needs to implement the plan, developed in Holland, to visit the crash site ("experts" still haven't been there) and to find some fragments of Buk-M1 to pin the blame on Russia. The model is significant M1 stands for "modernised". This modernisation was done in Unraine on Buk systems inherited after Soviet Union. All 70 M1s are in service in Ukraine. Russia had some regular Buks, but these are not in active service.
Poroshenko also had a slip when visting anti-air academy. He was shown Buk-M1s and remarked "are these the ones like that which was used to shoot down MH17"? During a speach he then spent 15 minutes thanking the alumni of the academy for their contribution in the conflict, however AA was officially never used as resistance has no planes, so what contribution?

If the USA didn't intervene, the conflict would probably be over and at least there will not be the bad consequences on the EU economy and Russian Economy; the USA didn't want to see Russia and Europe forming a block against them

Last info that came out is that a passenger had a mask of Oxygen on which means he had time to put it which may validate the (true) theory that the B777 was hit by bullets before it was hit by an air to air missile

Russia denies any active involvement and claims that the conflict is between Russian-speakers and Ukraine. To that extent, both sides are hiding behind a facade.

I heard from a guy who knows a guy in an air controller room, saying he was right there at the moment watching radars and monitors. He noticed the disappearance / reappearance and looks very much like a pattern of military operation.

Isnt it funny that aircraft felt in UKRAINA, was MALAYSIAN, and supposedly downed by RUSSIA. And blackboxes end up in England. Which is today like american colony.

And isnt it funny, that USA is funding Ukraina with money and military to fight russians, but media act like it is conflict between Ukraina and Russia.
They never mention America, proshenko is on pohone with Obama daily, american politicians are in Kiev every week they are telling them what to do, they demand sanctions...they are 80% of what is going on, but media act like it is only between Ukraina and Russia.

It is far stretched to think it is an coincidence that 2 B777 from the same companies disappear for "non technical one of a kind" reasons in a matter of months

according to my source, MH370 was also shot down, and staged as crashed/disappeared.

Based on the pictures I have seen there were two dead pilots, rapid de-pressurization or not. They are designed to shred the aircraft; taking out hydraulics, electronics, comprising the structural integrity of the aircraft, etc