Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile - page 9.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 07, 2014, 08:39:34 AM

Quote from: mark coins on September 07, 2014, 08:27:21 AM

Actually, they would have no idea what hit them and even the smallest hole in the fuselage would have led to rapid decompression... meaning VERY quick unconsciousness, due to very low oxygen at that altitude. Small mercies, really, but it's very unlikely they suffered

There are rumors that the MH17 changed its course over Donetsk, after the Kiev control asked it to do so. Another rumor is that an Ukrainian fighter jet was flying extremely close to the MH17. If these are true, then it will be evident in data from the flight data recorders. May be this is also one of the reasons why the Malaysians don't want to release the data.

Why would changing course make them not wanting to release the flight data?

They probably have something to hide to evade responsibility and feared of being sued.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 07, 2014, 07:24:04 AM

Quote from: itsAj on September 07, 2014, 12:33:58 AM

I don't think the Malaysians even have access to the black box.

The last time I heard about them, the flight data recorders of MH17 Boeing were being transferred to the Malaysians. That was almost one month ago. But after that, there has been no announcement from the Malaysians. They are refusing to say what was in the flight data recorders, and are not yet ready to release the information public.

I may have missed that announcement. Regardless of if they have it or not, what information do you expect to get from the black box that could potentially be useful to the public? Black boxes do not record the kind of information that would show how the plane was shot down. It is my understanding it only collects information about the performance of the plane (speed, altitude, fuel levels, engine performance, how the flaps are positioned, ect.).

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fun to see a desperation, as ruSSians trying to deny their crimes Cheesy

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Quote from: mark coins on September 07, 2014, 08:27:21 AM

Actually, they would have no idea what hit them and even the smallest hole in the fuselage would have led to rapid decompression... meaning VERY quick unconsciousness, due to very low oxygen at that altitude. Small mercies, really, but it's very unlikely they suffered

There are rumors that the MH17 changed its course over Donetsk, after the Kiev control asked it to do so. Another rumor is that an Ukrainian fighter jet was flying extremely close to the MH17. If these are true, then it will be evident in data from the flight data recorders. May be this is also one of the reasons why the Malaysians don't want to release the data.

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Statistics of MH17 at the time of crash. Source is FlightRadar24's FB page
http://i.imgur.com/9fKGhFw.png

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Actually, they would have no idea what hit them and even the smallest hole in the fuselage would have led to rapid decompression... meaning VERY quick unconsciousness, due to very low oxygen at that altitude. Small mercies, really, but it's very unlikely they suffered

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Quote from: itsAj on September 07, 2014, 12:33:58 AM

I don't think the Malaysians even have access to the black box.

The last time I heard about them, the flight data recorders of MH17 Boeing were being transferred to the Malaysians. That was almost one month ago. But after that, there has been no announcement from the Malaysians. They are refusing to say what was in the flight data recorders, and are not yet ready to release the information public.

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I think the saddest part of this whole thing is it wasn't an accident. Accidents I can handle. Out right cruelty and murder I can't. May the loved ones of all the people murdered during this crime find some peace

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The US and Ukraine will never officially admit it and we will never know the truth.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 06, 2014, 08:04:47 AM

Quote from: picolo on September 06, 2014, 06:50:09 AM

Just for those interested; I know for a fact that the pro-russians didn't shot down the plane

Now it is known to everyone. Had the rebels actually shot down the MH17, then the Malaysian authorities would have already released the flight recorder data. But that is not the case. They are simply refusing to make it public. So there is only one conclusion. There is something in the flight recorder data, and the Malaysians don't want to reveal it. I don't want to go wild with conspiracy theories, but make your own guess.

I don't think the Malaysians even have access to the black box. So I don't see how they would release data they don't even have access to. Even if they did have access to the data, it would be of little use to the public as the public has little/no way of interpreting the data. The data would also not give any indication as to how the place was brought down.

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Quote from: picolo on September 06, 2014, 06:50:09 AM

Just for those interested; I know for a fact that the pro-russians didn't shot down the plane

Now it is known to everyone. Had the rebels actually shot down the MH17, then the Malaysian authorities would have already released the flight recorder data. But that is not the case. They are simply refusing to make it public. So there is only one conclusion. There is something in the flight recorder data, and the Malaysians don't want to reveal it. I don't want to go wild with conspiracy theories, but make your own guess.

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That is so obvious, even BUK-M1 could not tear down this big plane only could that S-300

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Just for those interested; I know for a fact that the pro-russians didn't shot down the plane

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I don't know really but this article shows a an SA-11/BUK M1 being transported by separatist, but so far and like I said before no definitive proof for either case scenarios was presented that's why I believe that both of them are possible

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Quote from: kuroman on August 11, 2014, 05:54:11 AM

a- The plane was targeted by separatist by mistake (as nor Russia or Pro-Russia separatist has anything to gain from
downing such a civilian plane) on the other hand I don't know how can the separatists can operate such equipment as it requires a minimum knowledge I guess

The rebels don't have enough technical expertise to operate the Buk SAMs. And if they had someone with that knowledge, then none of the Ukrainian air force jets would have made it to Donetsk or Lugansk. Every day the Ukrainian jets make dozens of bombing raids over the rebel territory. The rebels can't target them, as they are too high for their Igla missiles.

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Quote from: kuroman on August 11, 2014, 05:54:11 AM

a- The plane was targeted by separatist by mistake (as nor Russia or Pro-Russia separatist has anything to gain from
downing such a civilian plane) on the other hand I don't know how can the separatists can operate such equipment as it requires a minimum knowledge I guess

With what? Buk-M1 make too much radio signals with the radar, is easy to locate. No one located Buk-M1 inside Donetsk/Lugansk.

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the article doesn't provide any proofs, but this goes in accordance to Russian radar images and the plane they detected in their radar.

For me there are only too possible scenarios for this crash that are logical from a geopolitical standpoint (and I know this is repeating what coming out on the media)

a- The plane was targeted by separatist by mistake (as nor Russia or Pro-Russia separatist has anything to gain from
downing such a civilian plane) on the other hand I don't know how can the separatists can operate such equipment as it requires a minimum knowledge I guess

b- The plane was targeted to blame Russia and Separatists and weaken their case which is if it's true sounds horrible, but this is not the first time such thing happened, examples would be Vietnam and Iraqi war

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Let me guess? Now evidences about hidden separatists air force will start to appear?

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Quote from: needbmw on August 10, 2014, 01:40:37 AM

Quote from: iopq on August 09, 2014, 07:38:48 PM

Russian anti-air weapons

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717152222/http://vk.com/strelkov_info

Strelkov (Girkin) mentioned he does not have accounts in social networks. This account is an obvious fake.

It's not his own account, but that account DOES post statements made by him. That's why it's in quotes. It's also within 20 minutes of the plane actually being downed if you look at the time. It's not some random guy in the US making this up, this is someone definitely in the area.

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Quote from: 247crypto on August 10, 2014, 04:02:15 AM

Quote from: Mobius on August 09, 2014, 11:36:36 PM

The evidence really does not support this. It is very much accepted that it was shot down with a SAM. Even Russia acknowledges this.

Who acknowledge it? Sofa expert with no data?

Russia acknowledge that the plane was shot down with a surface to air missile. They claim that it was the Ukraine that had shot it down and not the Russians (who want the Ukraine to be part of Russia).

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