Topic: margin terminal - over 25 spot and futures exchanges! Bots and more - page 53. (Read 268900 times)

All leonArdo customers are Heroes!

If you have a balance of over 3K and want to use margin then you need the Standard plan.

Details of the plans are in our announcement post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30843316

Best wishes,
Jonathan

You are also a Hero then!

All leonArdo customers are

Hi,

Yes, it works overnight and the vast majority of customers do not have the issues you are describing here.

I know you have been in touch with support but I would encourage you to keep in contact and we will try to figure out why you have the issue you do.

Best wishes
Jonathan

margin is an evolution of leonArdo and remains a desktop application.

Hi bitChipper,

We expect to switch in the next couple of weeks.

Here are the details: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30843316

Best wishes,
Jonathan

margin will remain a desktop application. But the website supporting it will be much more full featured and allow you to add new exchange keys and immediately have them activated for example.

Thanks for your support!!

Jonathan

Hi Hacky,

Thanks for your support and understanding.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

Thanks for your support!

And it seems like there was some confusion. All our leonArdo customers are considered Hero early adopter customers.

So you are a Hero!

Jonathan

No, not yet. But it still is in our plans.

Best wishes,
Jonathan

I'm happy for you guys to expand and see the need to change up. The new features this will bring will be amazing I'm sure, you wouldn't do it otherwise.

While I will not be joining in on this journey I am happy to stay on the old leonArdo system because I am a small time investor and do not see a subscription model working for me (I'm not a Hero early adopter, just normal early adopter).

I can accept this. Love to support the project, it's wonderful.

Will Margin be a desktop application or a web app?

Is the new subscription based software based on Leonardo, or is it completely new, especially from the GUI perspective?

Hum .. while i can see why this change is necessary, it will put me "out of the game" sadly.

Considering my actual holdings and volumes i usually do and the taxes i will have to pay if i reach anything near the point where i could afford the payments for the new subscription model, it would mean that i have to quadruple my holdings for the very first three months - each month! - to just get to the point where i could afford the payment for the license compared to what i have now.

It's a bit sad, not to say very sad. But .. well i can understand it and can see why you need to switch to that model. (To be real, i always wondered how the whole thing could work for you at all _and_ even make you able to pay for any additional staff. )

We will see how things go forward.

But i have a important question nonetheless. Will there be any way to get at least updates to API changes on the existing supported leonArdo exchanges at all?

Even if that will mean we have to pay for updates, that would help a lot for us existing customers.

Greetings,

hacky

P.s.: If you wonder about taxes, i'm a german citizen and while most of us nearly could ignore taxes at all, even over here, things change and it is already clear for us germans, that taxes are the same as if we just would do "classical" forex trading.. Which makes things not just pricey but even means that you need to have some distinct holdings and usual volumes (incl profits) in the first place... Well, luckily, as long as you stay below a minimum profit of 600 euros per year, you don't need to pay tax on this at all .... but, in december 2017 i had to be very careful to _not_ get over that point......... And it was leonArdo which enabled me to get to that point in the first place..

P.p.s.: Good luck to margin software and your staff anyways! It's still a very great product and i still consider it to be a professional class software.

I remember reading about Margin implementing 'Strategy Editor' in this thread many pages ago...

Has this been implemented? If not, any idea when?

Thanks!

Yeah, i just wanted to clear things a bit up from my side of experience (and even tell, that not every small sized X86_64 board might really fit depending on the usage).


Well, i personally thought that having at least some bits of swapspace would be or should be common sense on linux machines at all, except your physical ram exceeds your peak usage by far (for example, if you have 64 or 128gig of ram, you might be happy w/o swap at all, but if you have 32gig at a desktop, having additional 16gig of swap will keep you from getting trouble. )

Well, i have a banana pi M1 sitting here, but with only 1 gig of ram, i will probably not have to much fun with leonArdo on it. Maybe i will try it just for fun and see how far i will come with it.

The board i had mostly in my mind as i talked about RK3399 SBCs was the upcoming Firefly-RK3399 which you can find over here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1771382379/firefly-rk3399-six-core-64-bit-high-performance-pl

I'm very interested in this particular board because it seems to be a pretty powerful little machine. But sadly, somewhat costly too.


Overall, as i said above, i just wanted to clear things a bit up, because just saying that a Raspi will be a good setup seemed a bit short on the informational side at all. But i don't wanted to say it's a bad idea, just that you should know at least a bit more about what leonArdo needs anyway... And that most of that is not only big fat CPU and tons of RAM but even a lot of I/O capabilities, especially on the networking side. (Which is a point where i restrict myself on my setup because leonArdo not only uses the network for the uplink to the exchange APIs but even for any and all display usage _and_ any inputs).

Well, i think, it's a good thing that we put some more light on that topic from different sides and that might actually help some people to get the right choice for their setup.

Greetings,

hacky

Wait.... am I the only one that leonArdo 3.8.0 is not working (iMac 3.1 GHz Intel Core i5; IOS 10.10.5) on Binance  .  My Bittrex exchange works sometimes, but Binance is NOT usable for Bot Trading at all. The Binance Bots ALWAYS stop within a few hours due to errors (you have my logs).

So, how do I move ahead with leonArdo 3.8.X (2 exchanges) when it doesn't work?  Wait for more updates?  Do you thing the Dev's can fix it    There are many things I could go on with, but it still comes back to "it doesn't work 24/7 or at least overnight".

Since I'm a HEAC, I will stay testing each update until the END or I just give up!

Really? 

A hand scripted configuration for $300 to $900?

Great instructions. I see Java is a requirement, is that secure?
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@demonsthenes/profit-trailer-and-you-a-newbie-guide-to-setting-up-profit-trailer

I am somewhat concerned about the these instructions however.
"Anyway, the point is, if you don't have a tech savvy person handy, you could be left with, at best, the program downloaded but unable to start it or at worst, out a nice chunk of your crypto because of failing to understand EXACTLY what is needed to make the bot operate. Any suggestions on how to make this guide more complete, such as adding specific exchange instructions would be most appreciated."

At this point I think a bird-in-the hand.. and see how things look in six months to a year.

Thank you Jonathan, really appreciate this offer! I think the change to a subscription model is reasonable; from a business perspective, people need to understand a few key points:

1) If the model is a one-time charge, the business can only survive on the following situations:

1.1) Make it really expensive, so you have enough savings to keep it alive for some time. However, it may not be successful, as not many people will be willing to pay the price, and the savings will not last forever.

1.2) Charge for updates, as some big software companies used to do. May not please everyone, just like a subscription-based model.

1.3) Charge for support, as some big software companies. Not really applicable for this business, it's usually sustainable only for corporations with big customers, that sign long-term support contracts.

1.4) Ensure you have a constantly growing user base. I don't think this is a reality for almost any business; the user base will flat out at some point.


2) Most businesses are, therefore, changing their business models to a subscription-based one. Look at Microsoft and Google, for instance... It ensures the business survives, as long as the price is fair, they commit to quality and constant updates, and provide good support. If they offer all that, it may be beneficial to the customer, as he can expect future improvements and have a reason to keep demanding them.

So far Margin Software has been providing all that, so I expect it will continue (and even improve) with the change. The price and conditions can be discussed, of course, but the model makes total sense for me. And I think they have been fair with the transition conditions offered for existing, early-adopter customers.

Something to consider that the main rival is Profitrailer is not subscription based.
Not cheap but its a one time purchase per exchange and now it become more interesting for new customers.
They will always look for a one time purchase than a subscription model.

Leonardo/Margin is not yet at a level for a subscription model.
A better strategy would be perhaps to charge one time fee per component, ie per exchange, per bot, per indicator, etc.

But good luck with the subscription model. I will take advantage of the free 6 months and then look at options at the time.

doesnt surprise me they are switching to a subscription based model, most other bots are like this....makes sense that they have to keep money coming in to keep supporting development

when will this take effect?