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Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain, and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

You should get used to it, here in crypto there's a lot of uncertainty some other days bitcoin will pump some days it will unpredictably dump. We should learn the basics first before putting larger amount of money. It is not low always a rainbows and butterflies, we need to adapt in order for us to underhand the volatility of market. Yes market is very seasonal, so we need to adjust depending on which season we are dealing with.

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Due to the fact that even experienced traders suffer losses, trading is not ideal for everyone. However, a sound plan that doesn't rely solely on one tactic can lessen these losses. The market fluctuates seasonally, with some purchasers looking for deals and others hoping to make a profit. Although technical and fundamental analyses are important, ultimately winning more often than losing is the secret to success. It's crucial to learn from the past and test out new tactics moving forward.

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Quote from: so98nn on April 16, 2023, 08:34:18 AM

Trading is never a seasonal game and it doesn’t do any favouring thing to anyone out there.

The seasonal nature of trading could be in terms of bull or bear, also during trend. So if a trader is considering season on trade based on these waves, it might be understandable. If you are losing or profiting in any of the waves you can consider it as either bull or bear season.

Quote from: so98nn on April 16, 2023, 08:34:18 AM

In addition to all of the above, crypto market is most active market in entire economic circle. It’s running 24x7 and someone is always there to buy or sell. Definitely not seasonal.

Crypto market is not the only most active market and not only running 24x7. Derivative and binary is also open 24 hours all days with some volatile pairs that you can profit from or lose all your capital.

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I don’t know this seems to be little off the track statement? Trading is never a seasonal game and it doesn’t do any favouring thing to anyone out there. The entire trading system works on skills and how you plot your strategies. If you are not doing very well in the trading then definitely something is not right with the strategies you have built. I think naming it seasonal failure looks weird.

In addition to all of the above, crypto market is most active market in entire economic circle. It’s running 24x7 and someone is always there to buy or sell. Definitely not seasonal.

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Quote from: mk4 on April 11, 2023, 12:12:46 AM

"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.

When the market is seasonal, not everytime strategies are going to work out. There are some time when we will need to try to adjust our strategy so that it can conform to the current market situation.
Trading is not for everyone that is why we need to be trying our best to make sure that our strategies are working fine to the current market seasonal pattern.

I know some of the strategies I have used I'm the past that are not working again because of the market change of market structure which I will need to adjust the strategy for it to work clearly fine.

That's why we should always learn to make strategies to anticipate market changes that are often uncertain. If the market changes, we can adapt using a different strategy that may work well. Even though trading is not for everyone, as long as we can learn more about trading, we can survive in all situations and conditions in the market. And that also can improve our ability to analyze market conditions before we trade.

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Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain, and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

Cryptocurrency market is volatile due to certain factors. Being labeled as highly volatile, it is obvious that the market will have series of ups and downs where traders take advantage off. This is also one good reason why many speculative investors hop into Bitcoin investment and Bitcoin trading. Bitcoin market is more likely cyclical where the cycle involved the bull and bear season. This season is catalyzed by Bitcoin halving and Bitcoin ATH breaking where the prior hints the sign of the bull market and the latter the transitioning to bear market.

Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

No one can predict the precise price of the market. they may given hints of the possible uptrend but there are always variable factor that can change the sentiment of the market. So it is always best to be updated and informed of the current events of the market we are invested.

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Quote from: crzy on April 15, 2023, 04:17:07 PM

Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain, and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

There's no perfect trading, you should expect to lose money and be ready for that once you become a trader.
You can call the market seasonal since it will not stay on the same trend, either we go up or we go down this is the major two trend that traders have to observe all the time. Right now maybe we are on a bullish season where many cryptos are rising again from its bottom, a good trend to those who invest during the red market.

^Definitely right and this was what I always thought to my classmate in college before.
Trading sometimes we think it is based on luck and it is only a small portion of the chances of winning. But every time that he loses the market trading, it is always for him to charge as an experience and never even have a regret. Because he told me that he know his mistake and that in the next session, it will never happen again.
Let us accept the fact that trading is not for everyone, it is only for those who are it requires a certain level of determination, intelligence, and adaptability to succeed in it. I

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Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain, and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

There's no perfect trading, you should expect to lose money and be ready for that once you become a trader.
You can call the market seasonal since it will not stay on the same trend, either we go up or we go down this is the major two trend that traders have to observe all the time. Right now maybe we are on a bullish season where many cryptos are rising again from its bottom, a good trend to those who invest during the red market.

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Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

The market is traded by both human and bots. The bots have an advantage over human when it comes to working non-stop and finding good trade entry points. So in order to counter that, many people changes their strategy, thus changing the flow of constant strategy use. And also the thing you mentioned, the market taking away your profits on your next trades. It's not the market, it's the fault that lies into your analysis. The market is constantly changing and with every change, we have to use different strategy in order to hold your ground.

So if you are using only one strategy, and it has flaws, you are most likely going to lose that trade. Try to collect more knowledge on the market, learn new strategy, keep eye on the chart and see how it is behaving in order to create a new trade.

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Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain, and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

but the bottom line is, after those series of trades, after weeks of trading, after months of trading, after quarters and years of data, the method you are using must have a positive result. That is your edge. Doesn't matter if you're winning or losing near term but knowing that in a series of trades you have a positive net result will give you a greater sense of confidence trading and through that you will trust your system more.

With those data over your personal seasonal tendency, simply optimize your trading. Less trades or derisk on months that you are not trading exceptionally and risk more and add more position on time that the market favors your strategy or system.

Quote from: wiss19 on April 14, 2023, 04:31:22 AM

If you expect the market to behave exactly the way you want it, sorry but you will never be able to get that. There are multiple reasons why a market behaves in a certain way, and behaviours tend to change over time, just like how a human cannot always stay happy or sad, the market cannot always keep going up or constantly go down.

That is the reason why it is called unpredictable. And of course, everyone has to suffer from losses, no trader can claim that they have never had to face a loss in cryptocurrency trading, especially if they were not experts as every expert was once a beginner.

Because losing is a normal part of the game trading. It is a flat tire on your road trip. Only a stumbling block. But as long as you have your account trading, you can get that back. You can earn it again if you simply follow your plan and not be reactive to your emotions. When the marketplace is in the right conditions, not consolidating sideways but true movement higher or lower, a true excitement and volatility. If you have discipline and a rigid plan, you will have the opportunity of reaping the rewards of being a patient risk management and a trader.

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Quote from: Bushdark on April 14, 2023, 12:26:18 PM

When the market is seasonal, not everytime strategies are going to work out. There are some time when we will need to try to adjust our strategy so that it can conform to the current market situation.
Trading is not for everyone that is why we need to be trying our best to make sure that our strategies are working fine to the current market seasonal pattern.

I know some of the strategies I have used I'm the past that are not working again because of the market change of market structure which I will need to adjust the strategy for it to work clearly fine.

Trading is not required of everyone, and it is also not suitable for everyone; only the determined and intelligent may succeed in it. The only time a trader is anticipated to generate greater profits from the current losses is when they have figured out the best season that will work for them. We're not holding back, and I'm absolutely going to grow better at my daily analysis. Learning new market structures is my ultimate goal as it relates to profit earnings. Seasonal fluctuations have an impact on the market, and we learn new things every day to adapt our strategies to these changes.

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Quote from: mk4 on April 11, 2023, 12:12:46 AM

"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.

When the market is seasonal, not everytime strategies are going to work out. There are some time when we will need to try to adjust our strategy so that it can conform to the current market situation.
Trading is not for everyone that is why we need to be trying our best to make sure that our strategies are working fine to the current market seasonal pattern.

I know some of the strategies I have used I'm the past that are not working again because of the market change of market structure which I will need to adjust the strategy for it to work clearly fine.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on April 13, 2023, 07:09:04 AM

Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

I am agree with you that there is not a single expert which always get maximum returns but while trading they will face defeat and loss at some point because from this loss they get experience and if they did not loss money in past then they will hardly cope with harsh situations in future.

You are right that everyone gets success and also they faces failure but it is not always that one time you will successful and other time failure but regular success can also achieve. A person can get rid of regular loss through investment for lengthy period of time because in longer time you will have no worries about the lower price because you will keep holding your coin until it gives you maximum return.

Yes we can say that market is seasonal because seasons changes and in the same way the price changes regularly, as a single season does not remain always so same is the market where it doesn't remains in one position.

That's the natural part of investment and trading. You need to realize that everyone loses money when they are trading and it's not really a big deal. I know that most people will have some misunderstanding about the situation but that doesn't mean that we should be expecting veterans to make max profit, some newbies may think that's possible but it's not.

We know that it's going to be a tough situation and we should just focus on not being able to provide something like that when the time comes. I personally think that even if you do not make the max possible profit, that's fine as long as you make profit over a long period of time and not really have any type of worry, do not regret even if you make losses here and there.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on April 14, 2023, 12:44:08 AM

Yes, the bullish and bearish are seasonal market but try your possible best as a trader to know the season to buy your coins and hold for a good season to come before you can sell to make a good income from your investment. Those that sold their coins early this January really experienced losses from their trade, because the price of coins were very low but some lose their patience to released their coins that made them to regret with the current price in the market. Since the price of Bitcoin has hit $30,000 this week, I think it will be favourable for traders to hold till next month before they can sell to embrace a good results from the market.

Having patience is so important in trading and not everyone has it,
when the coin price is still very low i think there is no other choice but to keep holding it,
so it's very reckless to try to sell it and the consequence is a loss.

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Quote from: JamesBorn on April 10, 2023, 11:47:13 PM

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

This is how trading looks like and the result is uncertain especially for beginners.
But I have noticed that many people had come into a trade when the market is close to the bull season compared to the time during the bear season. And base on my experience, I earn more profit during the bull season and I know that some traders have the same experience that I have. I can't deny that the market seems seasonal, not all the time we got lucky, sometimes we lose even though how hard we tried to avoid it.

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If the market was seasonal then everyone would have profited and no one would have lost their money. Because if the market is seasonal, everyone would have an idea of which season to invest in and make a profit. But the market is not really seasonal. The market always moves at its own pace.

A month ago you made a profit by investing but now you have invested again instead of making a profit so it is not correct to call the market seasonal. I think it is better to invest once with a large amount of money with a good understanding of the market than to invest little by little many times just because of the volatility of the market. Because by observing the market and trading with a large amount of money, there is a possibility of profit. So one should invest at the right time with adequate understanding of the market rather than considering the market as seasonal.

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Quote from: Oceat on April 12, 2023, 05:58:51 PM

This is why trading is not for everyone because even a good trader just like you still experience a good loss but with a good strategy that doesn't stick to a single one might give you a lift. The market is indeed seasonal because some of them just wanted to buy low while some of them wanted to sell high. A good TA and FA is what you really need but overall what's matter is how much more you win compared to how much more you lose. At least now, you did experience the great lesson that you shouldn't do in the future but instead try a new type of strategy.

It might not be only cryptocurrency market that is seasonal. Almost everything in life is seasonal. A time to make profits and uptime to make losses.
It is well, we have understood the cyclical nature of things and we will tend to approach them in a more realistic manner.

Even the professional traders also lose trade, but the most important thing is the overall performance of their losses compared to their wins. According to you that is why it is important to have many strategies such that when a particular strategy fails, you will invoke another strategy that will keep you in profits.

But when you remove greed and emotional attachment to your trading strategy you would likely be on more profits than losses.

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If you expect the market to behave exactly the way you want it, sorry but you will never be able to get that. There are multiple reasons why a market behaves in a certain way, and behaviours tend to change over time, just like how a human cannot always stay happy or sad, the market cannot always keep going up or constantly go down.

That is the reason why it is called unpredictable. And of course, everyone has to suffer from losses, no trader can claim that they have never had to face a loss in cryptocurrency trading, especially if they were not experts as every expert was once a beginner.

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Yes, the bullish and bearish are seasonal market but try your possible best as a trader to know the season to buy your coins and hold for a good season to come before you can sell to make a good income from your investment. Those that sold their coins early this January really experienced losses from their trade, because the price of coins were very low but some lose their patience to released their coins that made them to regret with the current price in the market. Since the price of Bitcoin has hit $30,000 this week, I think it will be favourable for traders to hold till next month before they can sell to embrace a good results from the market.

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Quote from: martyns on April 13, 2023, 05:19:03 PM

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But even so, some traders manage to profit in every situation because they can analyze the market well. If you can analyze the market, you can still profit like them. And even if you lose, you can still profit from trading other coins. However, market conditions are not always favourable. If you find it difficult to analyze the market direction, you should leave the market for a while to enjoy your day and return to the market in a few days. It will give you a new enthusiasm in analyzing the market and who knows, you may benefit after resting for a while.

You are right that some traders benefit even when it seems the market is bad,but you can't tell me that there are some traders who win at every time they trade,I don't think there is any trader like that,there must be time when you loose either as a result of poor strategising, or as result of bad market,and that is where i agree with the OP's topic that the market is seasonal,sometimes it will be good,and sometimes it will be very bad.The period of time that it is bad is when you loose your money,while the good period is when you make profit or gain.That is why adaptation is necessary in the business.As a good trader or investor,you must know the seasons that market is always bad,and avoid trading during that period of time.
Observe when the market is always favourable and trade.

This can happen if traders are not focused on trading. It makes them wrong in analyzing market direction. But if traders feel they are not focused, they don't need to trade but should take a break until they can focus again.

An experienced trader must adapt to an ever-changing market because he has much experience using his strategies to get opportunities to enter the market. But indeed, I agree to always observe market conditions before starting and prepare your analysis if you want to enter the market. And an experienced trader will know when market conditions are not good.

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