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I dont understand why we have to go back to Christianity to survive.

Look at the east asians. They do fine without Christianity  (japan/korea) or religion (china).

I see no decline in productivity or creativity when i take a look at my atheist friends.


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Btw. In the last few years german scientist researched the topic of why different ethnicities integrate better or worst in the german society.

Until then most scientist believed it has solely to do with wealth and education of the parents.
After several studies that showed poor vietnamese children are actually much more successful in education then their peers (migrants and native germans) scientist believe that there must be more.

One explanation is Pierre Bourdieu's theory of mutual transformation of social, cultural and economical forms of capital as resources which parents can invest in their children.


Religion plays no relevant part in it.

I dont understand why we have to go back to Christianity to survive.

Look at the east asians. They do fine without Christianity  (japan/korea) or religion (china).

I see no decline in productivity or creativity when i take a look at my atheist friends.

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That was a most interesting piece, but perhaps a tad pessimistic.  Maybe not though, ITALIANS over here do not seem happy nor joyous.  We will be seeing more Europeans before long, I'll check them out and report in, smile.
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The West cannot be saved, because it wants to die; but persons can be saved, and their lives transformed into joy

The West cannot be saved, because it is secular.

And because The West has no religion, there is essentially nothing to save.

The West has no essence, is merely contingent - just a time-slice through an always-changing, self-subverting, and continually-inverted aggregation of attitudes, beliefs and practices.

So culturally, the West is purposefully, strategically destroying itself - always, as a continuous process.

And biologically The West is destroying itself: by choice the Western population have long since ceased to replace themselves; by strategy it is replacing its own population - and from existential terror (and deliberate wicked intent) this whole subject is taboo, denied, lied-about.

The West is not even trying to save itself; indeed The West has self-destruction built-in, woven-in, pervasive.

How can you save something which so much wants to kill itself? Something which regards every effort to keep it alive as an aggressive act of torture.

Take your eye off Western Civilization for just a moment and it will be swinging from the rafters with its own belt around its neck...

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/should-western-civilization-be-saved.html

So long as The West has no religion, it cannot be saved; and there is only one possible religion for The West: Christianity. A Christian revival is the only hope. But there is no sign of this happening - all the large mainstream self-identified Christian denominations are primarily secular, hence are well down the path of killing themselves (where they are not already long-since dead).

Only (real) Christians can perceive this clearly; so what should Christians do?

The choice is either a greater focus on politics and policies, on laws and society, on constitutions and systems... As our numbers and power ever-diminish, to argue harder and harder to reverse the juggernaut of secularism who have near-zero interest and knowledge of Christianity, but ever greater hostility towards what they suppose it to be?...

Or to switch attention away from politics altogether - to ignore the adverse oceanic tides of mass secular movements, and the corruption and dishonesty of most churches leaders, and instead to focus attention on bringing the message to persons, one individual at a time?

To be always fighting-against (and net losing), or to be positive for (and sometimes winning)?    

If we focus on the big picture - then being a Christian in The West is to be a miserable failure; but, if we focus on the person, then to be a Christian is to experience a deep and mostly hidden well-spring of courage, love, hope, meaning, purpose, belonging - secretly to be gloriously happy despite whatever happens on the surface.

It is impossible to exaggerate the difference that this makes to me, and to every Christian; it is an almost exact inversion of what it was not to be a Christian - when every pleasure was potentially available, nothing was forbidden - but never hope, never happiness.

The secular modern is afraid to probe too deeply, because he is sure there is nothing underneath - all is surface. He is afraid to look ahead, because he has decided that will be nothing there. To him, all human lives are failures because they end in decline, suffering, and death - biography is tragedy (either unfulfilled promise or the disappointment of all desire).

His strongest principles are without foundations - and therefore will almost certainly be discarded when they become inexpedient, or even if they are not discarded then this will be an arbitrary gesture. His most profound yearnings can only be fulfilled in imagination - which is to say they will not be fulfilled, and are delusions.

He sees Christians as torturers because they talk of eternal life, and of the disciplined and constrained path which leads to it - and for modern man that means snatching away the pleasures which are all that make life bearable, and the hope of extinction which is all that makes life endurable.

For such a man, life equals 'existence'; eternal life equals eternal torment.

As Christians, we may be able to save someone, or more than one person, from this horrible existence; and the benefits are not deferred, not only after life and in eternity - but immediate, in this life, here and now and straight away.

Our resources are finite, our effort and enthusiasm requires realistic grounds for optimism.

Therefore, let's stop monitoring and trying to turn-back the civilisational tsunami of secular nihilism - but ourselves drowning in pessimism.

And instead adopt the positive, optimistic, realistic goal of saving a few people: saving them into invincible joy.

You're speaking from a completely cuckolded viewpoint.  Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Jews, pretty much every god damn race on earth practices nepotism and collectivism.  Jews running the media claimed ANY whites coming together for collective interests are "nazis", while every other race is allowed to do it (obviously to undermine white people since Jews consider whites their only real compeition and threat).

One thing I will give you a BIG thumbs-up on, r0ach.  If/when things get much worse, we will see White Power come roaring in.  Trump won because of white voters losing out in PA, OH, MI, WV, WI, etc.

That claim is as unverifiable as religion itself.  You have a house of cards built on top of a house of cards.  The alt-right has zero interest in your George Bush style religious indoctrination which inevitably always leads back to "the jews are the chosen and it's your duty to be their goyim servant!".  You're just arguing for everyone to be woman-like and passive, read some religious jibberish, and sit back and watch as your civilization is destroyed while doing nothing about it.  You're pushing the same mainstream cuckservative garbage which lead to the destruction of this nation in the first place.

Your way has already lead to complete destruction, which is why all you old passive cucks have been booted from anyone's consciousness and completely ignored in the political spectrum now.  Now we practice Sparta.
Whoever attempts to undermine the white majority gets kicked down the well.  No passive woman-like bs while sitting back and watching it happen.

The idea that religion is the solution is laughable.  If you poll each demographic in America, blacks would probably come out on top as the most religious group while simultaneously being the ones committing heinous, violent crimes at a rate 10x higher than everyone else.  

The idea that religion is the solution is laughable.  If you poll each demographic in America, blacks would probably come out on top as the most religious group while simultaneously being the ones committing heinous, violent crimes at a rate 10x higher than everyone else.  

Research has demonstrated that concentrated disadvantage and other measures are strongly associated with aggregate-level rates of violence, including across racial and ethnic groups. Less studied is the impact of cultural factors, including religious contextual measures... Results suggest that (1) religious contextual measures have significant crime-reducing associations with violence, (2) these associations are race/ethnic-specific, and (3) religious contextual measures moderate the criminogenic association between disadvantage and violence for Blacks.

The authors explored the relationship between religious involvement and intimate partner violence... They found that: (a) religious involvement is correlated with reduced levels of domestic violence... this protective effect is stronger for African American men and women and for Hispanic men, groups that, for a variety of reasons, experience elevated risk for this type of violence.

Results: Findings indicated that (1) parental alcohol history robustly predicted increased offspring alcohol-dependence symptoms, (2) religious rearing appeared protective (offspring exhibited fewer alcohol-dependence symptoms), (3) religious differentiation accounted for most of the protective effect, (4) other religious variables did not account for the differentiation effect, and (5) black religious adolescents were more frequently raised with differentiating affiliations and exhibited greater protective effects.

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People have to go their own separate ways to fix the situation for everyone rather than having different factions constantly trying to undermine the other, especially when undermining the majority faction would just cause the country to implode anyway.  

Why would the majority faction let other groups operate right out in the open constantly trying to undermine them or destroy their civilization?  Now that's what I call cuckoldry.  The cucks are all fired and it's Sparta from here on out.

It seems reasonable to regard religion as the proximate method of group selection in humans - in other words, when humans groups compete and evolve group adaptations, these are instantiated by means of religions. Individual humans have adapted to live in a context of religion; and when religion is absent, human behaviour becomes maladaptive - because human instincts are 'designed' to function in a religious environment.

It has long been a consensus among (secular) social theorists that the main (secular) function of religion is social cohesion - that is, religion can enable larger and more complex forms of social functioning; including the stimulation and enforcement of motivation, altruism, long-termism.

Since all humans - until recently in The West - have evolved in the context of religion; therefore religion must, over multiple generations, have had gene-selective consequences that shaped individual instincts and behaviours.

Group selection entails that group behaviour be referenced to something outside the group. This is what groups cohere-around, organize around, cooperate to promote. Throughout history this 'something' has been religion - variously the spirits, the gods, or One God.

Since this has apparently been the case throughout all known history and stretching back into pre-history, individual humans have evolved to be coordinated by religion: religion is a built-in, innate expectation for each individual human; and if religion is absent, then individual behaviour lacks a necessary adaptive context.

Having been under group selection for so long, where each individual functioned as a 'component' part of a religious society; then individual level instincts will relatively have atrophied. So, remove the religion from an individual human being, and the behavioural rules and patterns lack context, and are maladaptive.

Individual humans absent religion are un-equipped to pursue their own reproductive success.

Religion is therefore the medium for, and regulation of, altruism - which is the propensity of individuals to sacrifice their own short-term comfort and pleasure, health, survival, and ultimately their reproductive success, to that of the group.

In sum: Humans just are adapted to serve the group via religious structures which reference individual behaviour to some-thing outside the group.

Clearly, 'the group' in group selection will be bounded - and cannot be scaled up or down, made larger or smaller, indefinitely; since there must be mechanisms for rewarding group-helpful, and suppressing group-harmful, behaviours - and such mechanisms (like status or material rewards, shaming or physically-coercive sanctions) differ between religions, and these do not scale indefinitely in either direction.

Group selection is strong: it must be stronger, in significant respects, than individual selection: group selection must be strong enough to overcome individual preferences.

This means that group selection operates to affect the nature and strength of individual preferences - individual preferences have until recently always operates in the context of religiously-mediated group imperatives; because, over many generations, selection will (overall) tend-to mould individual preferences significantly to serve the needs of the group.

While group selection has been significant on all humans everywhere and at all times; European populations (also probably East Asian populations, perhaps to an even greater extent?) have been strongly group selected for large-scale cohesion over many dozens of generations; so that the effects of group selection are more significant in those of European descent than in most other populations.

This implies that the selection effects of religion on individual behaviour has been more significant in those of European descent than in most other populations.  

European populations had Christianity as the proximate mechanism of group selection for hundreds of years; shaping the instinctual basis of the individuals. And Christianity must have been an extremely powerful mechanism of group selection, because it enabled what are, by world historical standards, very large cooperating groups persisting over multiple generations.

(By contrast, simple animistic religions are able to enforce cooperation of some scores of people; more complex totemistic religions can enable the cohesion of thousands; and the complex and literate Temple religion of Ancient Egypt enabled some millions of people to cohere for three thousand years! Christianity seems to have been similarly powerful to the ancient Egyptian religion, sustaining complex cooperation among millions of people.)

It may therefore be assumed that the people of Western nations inhabited by those of European descent evolved to become extremely dependent on Christianity in order to be adaptive.

These same people, with the same instincts that operated within a strongly Christian context for so many generations, now find themselves in a society from which Christianity has been (all but) deleted.

Individual behaviours now have a very different environment in which to operation - indeed, the environment is in multiple respects and increasingly anti-Christian. Little wonder that grossly maladaptive behaviour is currently rife - indeed mainstream.

Sans religion, Western populations lack the instinctual basis for individual level survival and reproduction, since these instincts long since atrophied - and atrophied to a more extreme degree than in most populations.

Now basic instincts such as reproduction, group survival, defence, long-termism for group goals, self-sacrifice for the group are defective or absent. The interaction between individual instincts and the non-religious environment is producing multiple, population-lethal pathologies. Voluntary subfertility is nearly universal; native population-replacement is advocated and celebrated; maladaptive forms of sexuality are common and actively-promoted; self-mutilation is escalating, normal and admired; the clamour for on-demand, comfortable, 'assisted' suicide grows greater with each year...

Living without religion, but with a genetic makeup that had evolved to assume religion, to expect religion, and to live-within religion; the instinctual basis of Europeans, including their powers of evaluation and judgement, are revealed as both ineffective and inappropriate.

Of course, under current conditions and continuing present trends; eventually and after many generations individual level selection may lead to the evolution of new effective and appropriate instincts that aimed-at individual survival and reproduction - then, presumably, large scale societies would break down into much smaller competing units, since such individuals would have evolved to be resistant to the social cohesion mechanism of religion.

Alternatively, the adaptiveness of European populations may be strengthened by the restoration of Christianity.

Among those who are married, intermarriage with a non-Jewish spouse has become the norm.

Nothing you type matters.  Nothing.  This whole Jews fucking over everyone else's civilizations problem will be settled by force eventually, so better think carefully about which side you're ready to die for because my side is definitely prepared to take you out with the trash with them.  Ethnocentric nationalism is the norm for the past million+ years, and is still that way in most nations like Japan and China.  Fighting against whites on the opposing team I promise will end badly for you.

Non-Orthodox American Jewry is disappearing through record high levels of intermarriage with non-Jews, and through declining birthrates.

Just 27% of non-Orthodox Jews in their prime years of child-rearing – 25 to 34 – are currently married...just 39% of those aged 25-54, married or single, said they had children at home... less than half (48%) of those who had children at home said they were Jewish by religion.

Perhaps most telling, among non-Orthodox Jews in the key child-rearing age cohort (25-39), a whopping 68% said they had no children. An additional 9% said they had non-Jewish children.

Among those who are married, intermarriage with a non-Jewish spouse has become the norm.

While 50% of all non-Orthodox Jews aged 25-54 have no spouse or partner, of the remaining 50% who do, 58% say their partner is not Jewish. Overall, just 21% of non-Orthodox Jews 25-54 have Jewish spouses or partners.

In summing up the marital and parental status of American Jews, non-Orthodox Jews in the 25-54 age group, just 15% were married to a Jewish spouse and had Jewish children.

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OROBTC has to grab the wheel again to get us back to two items from Europe by Armstrong today.  This first one affects me (a bit) as we are in Italy now (but an adjacent region, not NE Italy where the two banks failed:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/banking-crisis/ecb-declares-two-italian-banks-have-failed/

Yes, I pulled 250 euros from an Intesa-San Paolo ATM today (Intesa is the stronger bank that will take over the other two on Monday).

I saw an Austrian 20 florin gold coin for sale at 225 euros, not a bad price for a 0.1867 toz AGW gold coin.

There is also a BTM, but I have to figure out how to get over there and see if I can use it.

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GERMANY (ha ha ha) has long been spying on the US!  What a surprise.

Here is an Armstrong piece on NEW legislation, passed in secret, re Germany wanting to spy on everything (no surprise either):

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/germany-secretly-passed-total-surveillance-of-everything/

So, WhatsApp is no longer secure there in Germany.  READ the article if it sounds of interest to any of you.


The noose gets tighter each day....

To argue that these 100,000 are mind-controlling the 81 million Germans vastly overstates their power and influence. The Jews are not superhuman.

It's you that have learned nothing.  Israel and the US support the most violent muslim factions called "shia" in places like Saudi Arabia because they're essentially just tribal warlods that build dysfunctional civilizations.

They support those factions to try and destabilize the middle east to keep them at bay (basically the Wolfowitz doctrine in action).  

While the Sunni in places like Syria are a little less terroristic and build more functional nations.  Israel make believes some made up religious text grants them just about the entire middle east, as seen in the following picture, so Israel and the entity they have taken over (the US) support and create organizations like ISIS to destabilize those regions to come in after and take them over:

The jews also operate their usury banking scams against every other race on earth, subverting the native inhabitants sovereignty and freedom.  They know that high IQ homogeneous populations ALWAYS kick them out or exterminate them rather than remaining slaves (as has happened in different countries over 100 times now expelling jews), so they attempt to flood these countries with 3rd worlders to create a bunch of different warring factions where nobody can come together for common interests to overthrow them.  A standard divide and conquer strategy.This is why the jew is currently attempting to destroy nations like Sweden, Norway, Germany, and the rest of Europe with a 3rd world Islamic invasion

Their plans have been right out in the open for a long time to try and destroy white civilizations and have even been endorsed by jews like Einstein:

Pretty obvious what the world is struggling against.  Plenty of people from Henry Ford to Bobby Fischer have described it perfectly
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Because...fuck you, I will not be plundered.  Funny how a little known Hitler speech from 1940 describes the present day 2017 situation 100% accurately:

Junk science leads to more Junk Science leads to death.

The clearest example of Junk Science turning deadly is Trofim Lysenko.

Lysenko was Stalin’s director of the Soviet Union’s Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences. He rejected Mendel’s theory of genetics. He also rejected Darwin’s theory of natural selection, not on the grounds of being unsupported by evidence, but instead on the grounds of being “being foreign, impractical, idealistic and a product of “bourgeois capitalism.”

He proposed instead that evolution was based on cooperation and group struggle rather than the “bourgeois” notion of competition between individuals.

He held to Larmarckian that organisms evolved through the acquisition of traits that they needed and used (as when a giraffe, by stretching its neck to get leaves, actually made its neck lengthen and that this longer neck was then somehow passed on to offspring).

On this basis Lysenko boasted of being able to turn wheat into rye in a few years, to turn spring wheat into summer wheat and to be able to use the principles of material dialectic to get organisms to cooperate rather than compete.

Scientists who disagreed or showed insufficient enthusiasm were sent to jail, gulag, or firing squad.

The net result was that Russia, which had been a wheat exporter, went heavily into debt buying wheat from the United States, and went into a famine.

Millions died.

The race science of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party is the most notorious example of Darwinism run amok.

The idea here is that Darwinian competition between breeds of man produces an invariable conflict no peace can solve; that, indeed, such a peace is not desirable, as it will lead to a degeneration of the breeding stock; and that the competition has brought out higher and lower forms of human life, that is, Untermensch and Übermensch the slave races and the master race.

The theory from this concludes that one’s political loyalties and general worthiness as a human being spring from one’s genetic code, not from one’s political beliefs. Your skin color is your uniform. The fact that Cassius Clay (Negro) and Cat Stephens (Caucasian) are both Mohammedans, whereas Saint Kateri Tekakwitha (American Indian), Saint Paul (Jew), Saint Justin Martyr (Greek) and Saint Augustine of Hippo (North African) are all Catholic is a fact this theory cannot explain and cannot brush aside. Apparently the fact that one’s values, virtues, and habits of thought come from one’s genes is taken as a given, and the fact that these things come from one’s religion, or the religious background of one’s upbringing even if one is an atheist, is ignored without being addressed.

Race science is a crass attempt to solve the paradox of nature versus nurture merely by denying that upbringing and education have any effect on the human animal, that free will plays no part in one’s personality and loyalty. Race science merely decrees nature the sole sovereign of destiny.

That led to the extermination not only of appalling and astronomical numbers of Jews and Gypsies, but also of Catholics. Apparently genetics is passed through the Eucharist, according to the wonder science of the Left.

An aside: Those who believe that the Nazis were creatures of the Right rather than the Left are using a deliberately misleading classification. Leftists regard all who oppose Communism as one party, whether they be monarchists, republicans, libertarians, anarchists or totalitarians.  Since the National Socialists of Germany, the Fascists of Italy, and the International Socialists of Russia and China use identical means (propaganda and violence) to pursue identical goals (collectivist secular totalitarianism) and differ only in their uniforms and buzzwords, I suggest the debate about classification is fraudulent.

To be sure, whether one is a race collectivist who seeks the extermination of all lesser races by the master race, or one is a class collectivist who seeks the liquidation of all bourgeoisie and aristocratic classes by the proletarian class, may seem like a big difference to the twin brothers during their murderous struggles with each other. I am sure that a male rhino can tell the difference between a pretty female rhino and a plain one as well.

To the Christian, who believes that God gave the right of life, liberty and property, with the concurrent rights of freedom of conscience and the right to self-defense, to individuals first and foremost, I only care that I have a large bore rifle handy to shoot the rhino as it rampages, pretty or plain.

So it is with the various forms of Leftism. You may debate the Linnaean classifications of the various forms of political insanity involved if you wish. Which side is the Devil’s party is not under debate: merely count the number of piles of innocent dead bodies in mass graves, or cooked in furnaces, or unburied. You may use units of ten thousand per pile for ease of calculation. End of aside.

In America, the most persistent scientific fraud, working far more damage even than the many eco-hoaxes and enviro-scares of the modern Marxist attack on the West, is the Kinsey Report on human sexuality, which was used as the intellectual justification for the disaster known as the Sexual Revolution. Kinsey published two books: Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953). He met all criticism of his methods and findings by pretending that the objections were moral and ethical, hence were mere superstition and prejudice, whereas he was engaging in honest science. The findings were clear. The debate was over.

However, the findings were absurd on their face, claiming that seven out of ten men had slept with prostitutes, that half of all married men were adulterers, four out of ten males were homosexual, and one out of ten exclusively homosexual, and on and on. Of course, it was soon shown that his sample relied disproportionately on prison inmates, including those jailed for sex offenses, college students, and members of homosexual clubs and associations. The whole thing was Junk Science from start to finish, the Kinsey’s so-called research institute was just a swinger’s club where the ‘researchers’ staged orgies and swapped wives.

The junk science was again deadly, for the Sexual Revolution ushered in the abortion cult, which has consumed more innocent blood than ever the Aztecs spilled across the stepped pyramids of Mexico.

The junk science of environmental scaremongering has its death toll as well, when deaths from diseases carried by insects that could be easily and harmlessly killed by DDT continue to mount, when deaths from the poor freezing to death in Northern Europe, allegedly in civilized nations, when energy costs have been driven up by a jihad against coal and petrol. And, of course, the coal miners who die because atomic energy plants are never more erected in America are all preventable deaths due to environmental alarmism. Likewise the automobile injuries and deaths produced by the government mandating the creation of unsafe, lightweight cars to achieve unrealistic and artificial mileage-per-gallon standards.

There are pools, lakes, and oceans of innocent blood on the hands of all these ignoramuses and willfully ignorant cultists who worship science rather than understand science. The question is why we have for so long tolerated this deadly self-imposed blindness, insanity and hysteria?

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John C. Wright is a practicing philosopher, a retired attorney, newspaperman, and newspaper editor, and a published author of science fiction. Once a Houyhnhnm, he was expelled from the august ranks of purely rational beings when he fell in love; but retains an honorary title.

If you do not understand what you are struggling against you will waste your efforts in futile and self-destructive gestures.

Europe IS dying, but I doubt that the Jews have anything (or at least much) to do with it.

Italy has a low birthrate AND a VERY high immigration rate.