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legendary
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October 13, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
have tried martingale system on one of those dice sites with enough balance to cover like 17 loosing streak. And guess what? I've just recorded a 24 loosing streak. The highest ever on that dice site. So, no, Martingale system is not good enough.
Yup, this is why I never recommend the martingale system, you lose everything with it.
newbie
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October 13, 2014, 10:01:52 PM
have tried martingale system on one of those dice sites with enough balance to cover like 17 loosing streak. And guess what? I've just recorded a 24 loosing streak. The highest ever on that dice site. So, no, Martingale system is not good enough.
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
October 13, 2014, 06:51:34 PM
Hate Martingale system, it never worked for some reason...
Most likely, it was because you were using the system over and over. This defeats its entire purpose.

The sole purpose of progressive betting systems like Martingale is to accept a low potential profit in exchange for a low probability of losing. If you repeat the system over and over, you increase the potential profit and raise the probability of losing, defeating the sole advantage of such systems.
hero member
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October 13, 2014, 06:39:31 AM
To use a progressive betting system rationally, you should know before you start precisely what your stopping conditions are. That way, you know very precisely what your odds of winning are and how much you stand to lose.

If you're going to "wing it" and stop betting when you feel like it, don't bother using a betting system. The point of betting systems is to provide you with precise mathematical characteristics that you get to choose -- what your odds or winning are, what the maximum amount you can lose is, and so on. There's no point in going to all the trouble if you're not going to execute to the conclusion.


Well said. But most of the gamblers I see are not that rational.
When they are down, they usually deposit more trying to win it back. And when they are up, they feel like it is their lucky day and keep playing.
sr. member
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October 12, 2014, 11:21:48 PM
Martingale need many capitals / coins to make this method works
and need some courage to bet with so many coins in single roll
anyone know another method to bet, like martingale one
hero member
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October 12, 2014, 11:11:40 PM
Hate Martingale system, it never worked for some reason...
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
October 12, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
you will loose - and that's all
all casinos go down fast if martingale will win  Cheesy Cheesy
That actually can happen if the casino isn't sufficiently well financed. If most of the users of a casino or betting system are using progressive betting systems like Martingale, the casino can have many days in a row in which they take small losses. However, so long as they are sufficiently well-funded, eventually one or more of their users will go broke and they will post a huge win that swamps all the small losses they took.

Rational casinos love winners, they generate lots of betting activity. Their expected profit is proportional to the total betting activity.
hero member
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October 12, 2014, 05:36:40 PM
you will loose - and that's all
all casinos go down fast if martingale will win  Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
October 12, 2014, 05:14:45 PM
Remember that the Martingale works best in the short term. The more you play, the more likely you are to lose, because the more you play the more likely you are to lose several bets in a row and then run out of money or run against the table limit
While that's true, it's useless. You can't control how long a progressive betting system takes. If you're lucky, it will finish very quickly, and you will win. But if it takes a long time, the only way you can stop is by eating your losses.

To use a progressive betting system rationally, you should know before you start precisely what your stopping conditions are. That way, you know very precisely what your odds of winning are and how much you stand to lose.

If you're going to "wing it" and stop betting when you feel like it, don't bother using a betting system. The point of betting systems is to provide you with precise mathematical characteristics that you get to choose -- what your odds or winning are, what the maximum amount you can lose is, and so on. There's no point in going to all the trouble if you're not going to execute to the conclusion.
hero member
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October 09, 2014, 11:21:01 PM
Remember that the Martingale works best in the short term. The more you play, the more likely you are to lose, because the more you play the more likely you are to lose several bets in a row and then run out of money or run against the table limit
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
October 08, 2014, 01:56:22 PM
Huge bankroll is infinite. You will lose in the long run no matter what. Varience ensures that you don't get the same amount of win and loses, you will eventually hit a very long streak and there goes your bankroll. Also, the house edge decreases your likelyhood of winning.
You will not necessarily eventually hit a very long streak. Progressive systems tell you when to stop, and it is far, far more likely that you will stop before you hit such a long streak.

Progressive systems are bad enough without having to misrepresent the one thing that is actually good about them. The one good thing about progressive betting systems is that you are much more likely to make a profit than suffer a loss.

member
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October 08, 2014, 06:24:39 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.

Even if there is no max bet and you have a huge bankroll, martingale won't work as you will just hit a long enough loss streak eventually.

Unless you have unlimited bankroll Wink

If I have unlimited bankroll, why would I deposit my *unlimited* bitcoin to the casino trying to earn a little more bitcoin lol? Wink

+1. That is way this system in worthless.

BTW. Maybe this *unlimited* is like this: " Mom give me some more money" Wink
hero member
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October 08, 2014, 06:17:38 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.

Even if there is no max bet and you have a huge bankroll, martingale won't work as you will just hit a long enough loss streak eventually.

Unless you have unlimited bankroll Wink

If I have unlimited bankroll, why would I deposit my *unlimited* bitcoin to the casino trying to earn a little more bitcoin lol? Wink
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
October 08, 2014, 05:55:05 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.

Even if there is no max bet and you have a huge bankroll, martingale won't work as you will just hit a long enough loss streak eventually.

Unless you have unlimited bankroll Wink
hero member
Activity: 543
Merit: 500
October 08, 2014, 05:53:06 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.

Even if there is no max bet and you have a huge bankroll, martingale won't work as you will just hit a long enough loss streak eventually.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
October 08, 2014, 04:53:01 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.
Huge bankroll is infinite. You will lose in the long run no matter what. Varience ensures that you don't get the same amount of win and loses, you will eventually hit a very long streak and there goes your bankroll. Also, the house edge decreases your likelyhood of winning.

100% right.
That is way I prefer the d'alembert system. There is less profit but our bankroll is more safe.
legendary
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October 08, 2014, 04:39:54 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.
Huge bankroll is infinite. You will lose in the long run no matter what. Varience ensures that you don't get the same amount of win and loses, you will eventually hit a very long streak and there goes your bankroll. Also, the house edge decreases your likelyhood of winning.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
October 08, 2014, 03:09:35 AM
Martingale System is for veeeery rich person. In this system you will win only on paper.

Nah, most gambling site have max bet so Smiley

This is one of the biggest problem of this system.
Next one is that we need a huge bankroll.
sr. member
Activity: 374
Merit: 250
October 08, 2014, 02:47:39 AM
yeah it only works if you have a infinite bank roll.

btc max bank roll is just 21M  Grin
newbie
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Merit: 0
October 07, 2014, 03:06:24 PM
Its better do do 1 BTC @ 97% every so often.
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