MATTHEW N. WRIGHT IS A SCAMMER - page 3.

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:43:58 PM

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

it was one of the conditions of his bet:

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 19, 2012, 10:49:20 AM

Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

This was a stupid bet idea to begin with. I don't know who the 100+ people were that took the bet, but I'd find it hard to believe that all 100+ would have paid if he had won. The fact that he made the bet just shows that Matthew is very immature. I don't hold immaturity against a young person, it's expected. That's why I'm now (after 7 months?) in support of his fledgling magazine. The level of maturity on this board with people making claims against him makes me chuckle "pot, kettle, black."

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Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 01:54:27 PM

MATTHEW N. WRIGHT was a scammer, MATTHEW N. WRIGHT is a scammer and MATTHEW N. WRIGHT will always be a scammer.

And then there was that thing with the 17-year old asian girl posing in lingerie he was trying to push too...

Creepy guy, but at least everyone should be vaccinated against even talking to him now.

must be talkin about posadoll model

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 01:52:15 PM

Quote from: ianbakewell on September 09, 2012, 01:46:19 PM

Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:43:58 PM

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 28, 2012, 10:08:31 AM

The scammer tag isn't appropriate at all, but there is no "Unethical Scummyfuck" tag.

There has already been a request for a "douchebag" tag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105100.80

Maybe that would be appropriate here as well.

I was thinking of asking in Meta for an Atlas tag to be created as well.

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Hello world!

MATTHEW N. WRIGHT was a scammer, MATTHEW N. WRIGHT is a scammer and MATTHEW N. WRIGHT will always be a scammer.

And then there was that thing with the 17-year old asian girl posing in lingerie he was trying to push too...

Creepy guy, but at least everyone should be vaccinated against even talking to him now.

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Quote from: ianbakewell on September 09, 2012, 01:46:19 PM

Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:43:58 PM

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on April 28, 2012, 10:08:31 AM

The scammer tag isn't appropriate at all, but there is no "Unethical Scummyfuck" tag.

There has already been a request for a "douchebag" tag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105100.80

Maybe that would be appropriate here as well.

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Quote from: Fluttershy on September 09, 2012, 12:13:29 PM

Not a very good scammer either.

...why do I keep reading this in Fluttershy's voice? Cheesy

(much like "not a bad problem to have, if you ask me")

Oh, I bet she'd try to understand, or at least pity him

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There, there. You're not a bad troll, you just made a bad decision. All you have to do is find a less serious forum to play in.

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Quote from: jimbobway on September 09, 2012, 01:07:49 PM

Whoever got scammed should boycott all of Matt's bitcoin products. Ellet, Bitcoin Magazine, etc.

Why limit it to whoever got scammed? I'm boycotting his products because he supports Zhou Tong.

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This is even up for debate? BCB trolls good.

The worst (and best) thing about bitcoin are the people involved.

BCB

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BCJ

I do see the tag. That is why I am asking.

So as I understand it there are two additional ways to get the scammer tag.

1. welch on a bet.
2. Ask for it.

edit: (I was not previously aware of these)

If there are any others I'd be curious to know that too.

Thanks.

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 01:06:14 PM

Wagering is rarely enforceable in court, depending on your jurisdiction. So what Theymos is saying by labeling MNW a scammer is that wagering IS enforceable on Bitcointalk.org. Correct? Theymos, could you please confirm.

Thanks.

Don't you see the tag? What the fuck are you on about?

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Quote from: giszmo on September 09, 2012, 01:27:20 PM

If I promise rain for tomorrow and ask to be labeled scammer, if not, I shall be labeled scammer regardless of people taking decisions based on my prediction or not.

Yes.

Simple solution is to not promise rain (or anything else you are unable or unwilling to deliver). Of course to be labeled a scammer requires someone you scammed to request it. If nobody requests the tag then you won't get it. One way to avoid someone requesting it is to work out some agreement (compensation for loss, repayment plan, etc).

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:43:58 PM

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

He clearly reneged on his contract, which caused several people to suffer losses. If he had won the bet, he would have received BTC even though he had no intention of paying if he lost. He's a scammer.

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:49:59 PM

No funds changed hands.

Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.

If he would have accepted payments if he had won, then he is a scammer. Undoubtedly had he won a lot of people would not have paid. They now missed their chance of becoming scammers

Waging thousands of bitcoins without escrow is stupid. Waging *with* escrow is probably also stupid, but that is another discussion....

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 01:23:49 PM

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:43:58 PM

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Really?

He didn't upheld his end of a contract.

Correct. But there are a LOT of people on this board who would be labeled SCAMMER right now if that is now the definition of scammer.

Who? Did anyone request a scammer tag? Were they denied?

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If I promise rain for tomorrow and ask to be labeled scammer, if not, I shall be labeled scammer regardless of people taking decisions based on my prediction or not.

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:43:58 PM

Theymos,

Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Really?

He didn't upheld his end of a contract.

Correct. But there are a LOT of people on this board who would be labeled SCAMMER right now if that is now the definition of scammer.

BCB

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BCJ

Would I have to present evidence of my work for you that I created the logo that I did not get paid for?
Have those betting with Matthew provided evidence they were caused financial harm by entering into an obviously unrealistic bet?

I'm not defending MNW. I'm just requesting clarity. Right now its a mob raging against against MNW's obvious incitements.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on September 09, 2012, 01:14:40 PM

Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:49:59 PM

No funds changed hands.

Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.

That is the most ridiculous requirement.

So if I asked you to make a logo and then didn't pay you I shouldn't get a scammer tag? No funds changed hands (even though that is the entire problem).
What if you and I agreed to a CFD so I could hedge my businesses exposure and the price of BTC skyrocketed so you decide to not honor it. Once again no funds changed hands.

How about keep it simple:
"If you make an agreement and break it you are a scammer".

I'll give you a $100,000,000,000,000,000,000 if you can spell Mississippi backwards...

...awaiting scammer tag...

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Quote from: BCB on September 09, 2012, 12:49:59 PM

No funds changed hands.

Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.

That is the most ridiculous requirement.

So if I asked you to make a logo and then didn't pay you I shouldn't get a scammer tag? No funds changed hands (even though that is the entire problem).
What if you and I agreed to a CFD so I could hedge my businesses exposure and the price of BTC skyrocketed so you decide to not honor it. Once again no funds changed hands.

How about keep it simple:
"If you make an agreement and break it you are a scammer".

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