Topic: MATTHEW N. WRIGHT IS A SCAMMER - page 4. (Read 7130 times)
Boycotts are fine. Name calling is obviously fine on BCT. However, I still lack clarity on the scammer tag. MNW obviously, much to his pleasure, provoked a mob, but does that make him a scammer?
he offered the bet as a hedge against pirate losses
and a lot of people didnt sell their pirate accounts for
75% -50% -25% etc because they thought they were
sufficiently hedged either way
and a lot of people didnt sell their pirate accounts for
75% -50% -25% etc because they thought they were
sufficiently hedged either way
Not only: I even bought some FOO.PPPPT at 50% to hedge in case I lose my bet with Matthew. And now they are at 0.05 BTC each.
So much for:
No funds changed hands...as far as we are aware.
You can be sure that some money changed hands, so much that I am now wondering if Matthew is a Pirate's shill.
Lets take a lesson from Matthew and not rush to judgement.
WUT? Which lesson? That the BTC scene is a playground of scammers-trolls? And would that not be a judgement?
No funds changed hands.
Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.
No funds changed hands...as far as we are aware. Lets take a lesson from Matthew and not rush to judgement. That said, I'm betting no money changed into his hands. Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.
Whoever got scammed should boycott all of Matt's bitcoin products. Ellet, Bitcoin Magazine, etc.
Now I am curious to learn what in the world the victims were thinking.
I removed 165 BTC (my bet against Matthew) from my circulating capital for 2 weeks. So I lost some coins which I could get using these 165 coins on MtGox...
Price of the bitcoin was very unstable during that period, so there was a chance to get less than required amount. And it's very hard to acquire bitcoins in my country without a credit card. So I left the coins untouched. Just in case.
Wagering is rarely enforceable in court, depending on your jurisdiction. So what Theymos is saying by labeling MNW a scammer is that wagering IS enforceable on Bitcointalk.org. Correct? Theymos, could you please confirm.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Now I am curious to learn what in the world the victims were thinking.
I removed 165 BTC (my bet against Matthew) from my circulating capital for 2 weeks. So I lost some coins which I could get using these 165 coins on MtGox...
he offered the bet as a hedge against pirate losses
and a lot of people didnt sell their pirate accounts for
75% -50% -25% etc because they thought they were
sufficiently hedged either way
even if MNW didnt profit personally ,his scam cost a lot of
people money so he deserves to be taxed as heavily as possible
and it looks like the BTC magazine and other things are going to
bear the brunt of the retribution and hes still on the forum laughing
about it like some retarded kid
i thought he was one of the few decent people involved in bitcoin,now
he just looks like a lying cheating scammer ,as if bitcoin needed another
one of those ........
and a lot of people didnt sell their pirate accounts for
75% -50% -25% etc because they thought they were
sufficiently hedged either way
even if MNW didnt profit personally ,his scam cost a lot of
people money so he deserves to be taxed as heavily as possible
and it looks like the BTC magazine and other things are going to
bear the brunt of the retribution and hes still on the forum laughing
about it like some retarded kid
i thought he was one of the few decent people involved in bitcoin,now
he just looks like a lying cheating scammer ,as if bitcoin needed another
one of those ........
Can someone please explain to me how the people who bet with matthew are "victims"??
No funds changed hands.
Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.
Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.
Your definitions suck. I would bet that any sensible definition would label Matthew as a scammer. Scammer = someone who promises something but doesn't keep his/her promises.
Also, I believe some people with money in BS&T were using Matthew's bet as a way of hedging their losses and have lost money as a result, and Matthew not only knew this but encouraged it.
Now I am curious to learn what in the world the victims were thinking.
I removed 165 BTC (my bet against Matthew) from my circulating capital for 2 weeks. So I lost some coins which I could get using these 165 coins on MtGox...
No funds changed hands.
Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.
Obviously folks on this board have a lot of choice words for him but scammer does not seem to fit if we are defining the term scammer as someone who is fraudulently in possession of someone else's good or funds as a result of a trade or deal in which one party did not uphold their end of the agreement. "Possession of funds or goods" being the operative term.
Theymos,
Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks.
The issue is that many would have payed MNW if they lost the bet. Matthew was scamming expected value. Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Theymos,
Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Can we get a clarification on the Scammer tag. Mathew N Wright may have welched on his bet but did he actually scam any one. Is Mathew N Wright actually in possession of any of the funds from the bets? If not I would think he can be labeled a welcher, but not a scammer. A little clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Oh, hi folks! I was curious about this whole MNW thing, and browsed through several pages in two threads related to the bet, but couldn't find out what exactly happened.
I've had the sucker on "ignore" for many months, long before Pirate and the bet. I was repeatedly annoyed with his personal traits, and simply couldn't stand it. Therefore, I missed out on the whole bet story. Now I am curious to learn what in the world the victims were thinking.
I've had the sucker on "ignore" for many months, long before Pirate and the bet. I was repeatedly annoyed with his personal traits, and simply couldn't stand it. Therefore, I missed out on the whole bet story. Now I am curious to learn what in the world the victims were thinking.
As long as people tolerate such bets and other ventures there will be threads like this, lol.
Not a very good scammer either. Pirate, mybitcoin, Bruce Wagner, et al, got away with tons of money, Matthew got nothing.
Okay he is the worst scammer of all. LOL
I second that and find this ridiculous.
You can literally take away few million $ and stay good, in the same time you can promise to give away almost $900k and in the end not fulfil promise and get scammer tag within 10 minutes.
Not a very good scammer either. Pirate, mybitcoin, Bruce Wagner, et al, got away with tons of money, Matthew got nothing.
Okay he is the worst scammer of all. LOL
Not a very good scammer either. Pirate, mybitcoin, Bruce Wagner, et al, got away with tons of money, Matthew got nothing.
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