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legendary
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May 24, 2018, 07:57:15 AM
#25

None of the referral links work anymore - they are to dead ponzi scams.

I probably have some dead links to ponzi scams out there that tricked me into thinking they were legitimate companies. This is not conclusive that they were knowingly promoting a ponzi or scam. Sometimes you just don't know any better and get taken for a ride. We live and we learn.

Running and participating in ponzi scams is illegal in a lot of jurisdictions.

Was he running a ponzi scam? It sounds more like he was trying to make some goofy marketing opportunity work and it turned out to not be all that he bargained for. I'm not defending their actions, but based on the evidence you've presented I don't see much to suggest malice or intent.


He is an active promoter of multiple ponzis over a number of years with thousands of downstream recruits.

I've taken your comment on board and to ensure not to even accidentally breaking a rule have moved the claims unrelated to the start of the thread to another board where private information is allowed to be posted. But yeah - all the info so far was sourced from Bitcointalk so there is nothing new. It is better consolidated there - it was getting a bit messy.

https://plus.google.com/+CryptoPassiveIncome/posts/XNW1sA4VGNi
Explains it in his own words.
Some of the thread has moved to here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4221113
legendary
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May 24, 2018, 07:50:09 AM
#24
All the personal information was already posted on bitcointalk and referenced. Nothing new.

If ALL of it was already posted on bitcointalk, then I can't see too much trouble in consolidating it into one place. My worry was that you were using outside sources of information to bring new information onto the forum in order to "expose" them, personally.

He challenged me to post more.

I would encourage you not to play petty games with the person you are attempting to make a scam accusation against. If they challenge you to other nonsensical mundane tasks would you be interested in doing those as well? I have some yard-work that might need doing. If it is not relevant to strengthening or making the case for your accusation then it does not belong in this thread. That would seem to be common sense, in my book.

None of the referral links work anymore - they are to dead ponzi scams.

I probably have some dead links to ponzi scams out there that tricked me into thinking they were legitimate companies. This is not conclusive that they were knowingly promoting a ponzi or scam. Sometimes you just don't know any better and get taken for a ride. We live and we learn.

Running and participating in ponzi scams is illegal in a lot of jurisdictions.

Was he running a ponzi scam? It sounds more like he was trying to make some goofy marketing opportunity work and it turned out to not be all that he bargained for. I'm not defending their actions, but based on the evidence you've presented I don't see much to suggest malice or intent.

I'm dyslexic - so spelling is a challenge.

I'm mostly just messing around, but realistically every browser has a spell-check these days. There's a lot of ways to check if you are putting out mistakes and correct them before the world gets their hands on it.
legendary
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May 24, 2018, 07:36:24 AM
#23
I thought posting personal information was against the rules around here and grounds for a ban.

At this point you are not making your "Scam accusation" any stronger. You are only acting maliciously and pedantic. This thread has turned into OP giving mdayonliner free advertisement for their referral links.

Not too good at spelling, either. Now is as good of a time as any to start improving.

All the "personal information" is not personal information because it is publicly displayed in many of his posts and freely available in the public domain.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/close-0002-btc-paying-mini-twitter-bounty-newbie-friendly-3759887 Almost all the info that can be considered personal is contained in that post.

Nothing new. He challenged me to post more - which I haven't done yet. I do respect privacy and some things I will not post.

Phone number and address is a commercial address. Moved to another thread as a precaution in case futher information contains personal information. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4221113.new#new

None of the referral links work anymore - they are to dead ponzi scams.
Running and participating in ponzi scams is illegal in a lot of jurisdictions.

I'm dyslexic - so spelling is a challenge.
legendary
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May 24, 2018, 07:23:43 AM
#22
I thought posting personal information was against the rules around here and grounds for a ban. It screams "childish" whenever I see someone furiously googling away so they can publish personal information, addresses, phone numbers, pictures and the rest of it. First of all, none of us care about this information. Then, you present it as if we're supposed to do something with this information, all because you received a feedback rating that you disagree with. I have no idea how you deal with people in the real world, because this tactic wouldn't work. Do you just show up at people's work place and show off their most recent tweets? Not only is the "Scam accusation" without validity, but your course of action makes you the bad guy, here. I doubt mdayonliner cares if you publish information that they have already made public, but the intentions you clearly have behind posting it are disgusting.

At this point you are not making your "Scam accusation" any stronger. You are only acting maliciously and pedantic. This thread has turned into OP giving mdayonliner free advertisement for their referral links.

You do not understand the terms "Extortion" or "Blackmail". The point of their "Apology" thread clearly went over your head in the first place.

Timeline is irrelevant. "I will give you 24 hours of time to admit your mistake on my trust removal topic ." Is not  a satisfactory solution.

You do not have to feel that the solution is satisfactory. A user has every right to refuse to revise their feedback left on your profile. Many do not wish to second chances or want to be harassed by everyone they've left negative feedback on. If a user is willing to review their feedback on you within a particular time frame, then there is no problem with that, either. Certain users are willing to review their feedback on your profile after X time, some users are willing to review their feedback on your profile within Y time. Their trust ratings should not matter to you regardless, and as you said timeline is irrelevant; what is more relevant are the actions that lead to your negative in the first place, not the offer to make amends.

I thought you would have realised that I'm not good with deadlines.

Not too good at spelling, either. Now is as good of a time as any to start improving.
legendary
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May 24, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
#21
I will give you a week from now to until 31 May, 7 days from now (Countdown)

I thought you would have realised that I'm not good with ultimatums or deadlines. I will let you know when I'm done.

It does have to do with this forum because you promote your twitter and website on here which you then use to promote your revshare links.
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May 24, 2018, 06:53:03 AM
#20
Archive for reference...
Reason: The user edit posts without leaving any reference (although I can see from last two days he is keeping archive, some are not working though)

Re: mdayonliner post#20,  Re: mdayonliner post#21

Latest archival of the whole topic again: http://archive.is/fpiWi




Those are just a few. I have more.

I hate to hear it, so I will give you a chance. Bring them all!

I will give you a week from now to until 31 May, 7 days from now (Countdown)

Bring everything, a to z from the internet you find. Once the time expires, make a post just saying "I am done with my investigation". Once I see it then you will have my answer in the next post. I do not want to keep hanging with you back and forth. I hope the time is enough for you. If you need more time then let me know, you will have additional time just to make sure that you have nothing more to bring against me.

Keep one thing in mind: You are stepping (already stepped) into the stuffs that has nothing to do with this forum. I (in fact no one) will not like it at all.

Go ahead Sherlock.


Update1
Current time logged here.


Update2
I will give you a week from now to until 31 May, 7 days from now (Countdown)

I thought you would have realised that I'm not good with ultimatums or deadlines. I will let you know when I'm done.
Excellent.
legendary
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May 24, 2018, 06:28:22 AM
#19
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May 23, 2018, 07:41:20 AM
#18
Latest archival of post number #1 #2 #12 #14 #18. The user edits his posts too much time with already answered posts. The added contents on the same post then get missed easily to be answered. And yesterday I have decided not to response him with his nonsenses. However here is an additional one...


Mr Sherlock (?) I have a dedicated post which answers about you type people. You are here: Please investigate before justification.. In fact most of it about you till now.

You might need more information about me.

https://www.facebook.com/mrnh2011
https://www.facebook.com/masumeva
https://www.facebook.com/masudul.kabir.96
http://cdesignsuk.com
https://twitter.com/FollowMasudul
http://followbitcoin.today <=== Never launched the business yet

You missed these I believe ===>
http://Facebook.com/followmasudul
https://twitter.com/FollowMasudul
https://twitter.com/cdesignsuk
https://www.instagram.com/followmasudul
https://www.linkedin.com/in/followmasudul
https://earn.com/followmasudul

http://masudulkabir.com
http://revsharewithus.com

Bloody hell I can not even remember a lot of the URLs.
Keep an archive of this post if you want. I strongly hope this will help to dig down more about me.

PS: I am a marketing guy and I would not mind to have an exposure my mate. Go ahead.

 
 
legendary
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May 21, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
#17

Motherfucker! What are you smoking that everything comes out twisted from your fucking head (?)! Are you a dick head (?)

STFU! Be my guest. I don't fucking give a fuck. You think you decide my reputation?

No. People decide their own reputation. https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4104852.msg38105233 This looks like more self promotion asking for more merit without actually asking for it. Very clever.

You have fucking no clue where we (me and marlboraza) ended our conversation? Read fucking everything first, understand the scenario then come out with a justification. Your mind is twisted and fucked up!

You made your initial decision without even talking to me. Then you proceeded to ridicule me. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37797512

I did read most of it. It sounds very much like you are now ridiculing my disability.


Being dyslexic means I often edit posts a number of times correcting words and sentences and I add information.


Fuck off you moron! Responding you is a waste of my time.

WOW

EDIT:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180522015012/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.msg38055077  (archived)
https://web.archive.org/web/20180522114952/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.msg38050208%23msg38050208

So far you have addressed none of my concerns and just hurled abuse and accusations at me. I have addressed your accusations and that of others point by point.
Everything I have said I can reference with a source.


All the abuse and multi thread posts are just a distraction. Just answer the question and accusations 
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May 21, 2018, 09:20:49 AM
#16

In a serious note:


Someone with a healthy mind will understand the indication and once they read this.

Now, keep investigating. By the way remember I said, "...I see your investigating skill is very poor."

Fuck off you moron! Responding you is a waste of my time.




PS: If anyone get surprised by my lose attitude then please feel free to read ths post: Stop being a schoolboy type @xtraelv
I never wanted to sound like a pussy (I don't feel good when I do).
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May 21, 2018, 08:47:14 AM
#14
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Lets just keep it in this thread.  I've just started. I don't have all the info yet. While your friends may have seen it. My friends haven't seen it yet.


All these accounts which you are bashing because of merit abuse and your brother has sent you all his merits just to test how this system works.. Roll Eyes
If you trust your brother(of course you do, it is your brother) why don't you trust people who sent merit to their family/friends/etc? Don't you think you should give -ve to your brother for merit abuse as well?
 

You were clearly warned by marlboroza about your conduct yet continued.

You demand that I remove feedback but let me quote you what you told me:

See? Wake up call! You woke up after my red trust. I guess you are so busy with self gain that since last Jan 24th to recently you had no clue?(!) I already laid out your excuses: [Parody] Merit translation. Your excuses are nothing new to me. Demn.... Just look at the merit history![/b]





Motherfucker! What are you smoking that everything comes out twisted from your fucking head (?)! Are you a dick head (?)

Lets just keep it in this thread.  I've just started. I don't have all the info yet. While your friends may have seen it. My friends haven't seen it yet.
STFU! Be my guest. I don't fucking give a fuck. You think you decide my reputation?
http://archive.is/MV6i7#selection-6061.0-6061.153


All these accounts which you are bashing because of merit abuse and your brother has sent you all his merits just to test how this system works.. Roll Eyes
If you trust your brother(of course you do, it is your brother) why don't you trust people who sent merit to their family/friends/etc? Don't you think you should give -ve to your brother for merit abuse as well?
 

You were clearly warned by marlboroza about your conduct yet continued.
You have fucking no clue where we (me and marlboraza) ended our conversation? Read fucking everything first, understand the scenario then come out with a justification. Your mind is twisted and fucked up!

You demand that I remove feedback but let me quote you what you told me:

See? Wake up call! You woke up after my red trust. I guess you are so busy with self gain that since last Jan 24th to recently you had no clue?(!) I already laid out your excuses: [Parody] Merit translation. Your excuses are nothing new to me. Demn.... Just look at the merit history![/b]

You prove nothing here! No point!! I said not to mix up my brother (mdayonliner mahimonliner) with me. He does not have any shit to give here. Red trust for him from you makes no fucking sense. Like I said you your fucking mind/head is twisted.
legendary
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May 21, 2018, 08:19:52 AM
#13
I will talk a bit now. Last night I said I was working on a tutorial for Beginners & Help section. I am happy that I finished it.
[Eng: Tutorial] PGP Signature - Encrypt/Decrypt message - Fingerprint
I would appreciate everyone's feedback on the topic.
Anyway my head is clear now and I will talk a bit.


Hey - I may be wrong but I find it hard to believe someone randomly clicks someones "merit".
Out of the 19 cases this is the only one being discussed in a seperate thread to draw attention to it. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/done-with-the-topic-new-format-merit-abuser-gang-now-18-1-cases-3168616
In my entire time on Bitcointalk I had one message removed by a moderator. That was at the same time as this merit issue. The removed message didn't break the rules. It was politically motivated for calling out a scam. Co-incidence ? Maybe... or people are getting played.

I assist in removing between 1000 to 5000 spam/scam messages daily from a forum. I hate spammers & scammers with a vengance.

The reason is, you and your harsh attitude. Your childish activities, non-sense claims. Your problem is you notice less, understand less but talk more, you are a big mouth in my view.

This was my simple explanation: xtraelv: You are doing it wrong
We could have a better ending if you read it and acted accordingly instead, you have chosen a way to humiliate me for nothing!


Why these harsh words everywhere?
You might removed it but FYI I am closely watching all your activities since you have started accusing me with all these harsh words: scammers and blackmailers, hypocritical, blackmailed and scammed, blackmailing spam clown, extortion / blackmail, muppet. You have nothing to prove against me mate.



You post same shit everywhere, a new way of spamming...
There is nothing in the rules that says that your smerit decisions will be scrutinised by a blackmailing spam clown with some warped interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640  Scam Accusations > Serial feedback blackmailer - mdayonliner
http://archive.is/BHD1Y#selection-7507.0-7519.62

Do not be fooled by this blackmailing spam clown.

Full explaination and blackmail scam accusation against mdayonliner has been made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640

http://archive.is/zU24W#selection-2299.0-2307.49

Do not be fooled by this blackmailing clown.

PM me if you have been blackmailed by him.

Blackmail scam accusation has been made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640
http://archive.is/tE40M#selection-1283.0-1295.49

There is nothing that says that your decisions will be scrutinised by some blackmailing spam clown with some warped interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640  Scam Accusations > Serial feedback blackmailer - mdayonliner
http://archive.is/sU84r#selection-1987.0-1995.62

Just stop posting same shit on my topics. It's spamming.



Your ignorance
mdayonliner is endorsing giving merit away as "prizes" in a signature campaign and his signature is "for rent". Win $25 + 4 Merits every week!

oopsy! seems like you edited your comment!! Did i tell you yesterday that I was looking your activities? Here what you said originally.

I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations. That's why I always leave the RedTrust removal link on the tag I give.



You claim yourself a scam buster but I see your investigating skill is very poor. Scam busting is not your league. You better retire or find something else.

You can think it's malice all you want, but being a "scambuster" you should know that the people you are responding to here bust 100 spammers/scammers (accounts) a day at times by analyzing merit and crypto transactions, and they deserve it..
If you look, their are threads specifically analyzing all the merit ever transacted on this forum with all kinds of stats, charts, and graphs so yeah people analyze merit a heck of a lot and the reason you were singled out is your suspicious merit activity..

You said it mate. Thumbs up! @eddie13

And don't mix up me with my brother. We don't even live in the same country. I have declared on the trust page with a very good explanation that mahimonliner IS my younger brother. A better explanation is here I gave to marlboroza when we had conflict You tagged him for no reason. Remove his tag.

Account of my younger brother. The rules says to declare someones ALT with a neutral trust however I find it necessary to declare this account in public for two reasons:

1. The username contains same suffix: _____onliner
2. When merit system were introduced my younger brother sent 4 merits to my account to try how the new merit system works. (If someone consider this as merit abuse then IMO the justification will be wrong. It was a mistake but an innocent one. When merit system introduced on 25th Jan 2018, first few days were confusing for everyone. A major number of members were testing the merit system by sending it to each others. I received those 4 merits on the Jan 27th.)

Note: I used to be an affiliate marketer and influenced few people online because of my extraordinary performance in affiliate marketing. I noticed in several places they use their username with the suffix "onliner". My younger brother is one of them. In BitcoinTalk if anyone notice any username with a suffix of "onliner" then feel free to contact with me. I will Neutral trust with that person so that the community can identify it.

Courtesy question: If someone create an account with a suffix of "onliner" or any username, then once they earn enough sMerits, they send bunches of Merits to my account to ruin my reputation then will I be a victim or how the community will look at that?



A polite warning. Please do not bring my personal stuff in here. I can have three Facebook accounts. What is it here to do with that? You do not know me. What I do for living, my profession, my motivation nothing at all. So, stay away for good.




Lets just keep it in this thread.  I've just started. I don't have all the info yet. While your friends may have seen it. My friends haven't seen it yet.


All these accounts which you are bashing because of merit abuse and your brother has sent you all his merits just to test how this system works.. Roll Eyes
If you trust your brother(of course you do, it is your brother) why don't you trust people who sent merit to their family/friends/etc? Don't you think you should give -ve to your brother for merit abuse as well?
 

You were clearly warned by marlboroza about your conduct yet continued.

Just stop posting same shit on my topics. It's spamming.

That is an interesting concept - but since you make a new thread for almost everything - the threads are spamming. I'm consolidating by directing it to one thread.

You demand that I remove feedback - but let me quote you what you told me:

See? Wake up call! You woke up after my red trust. I guess you are so busy with self gain that since last Jan 24th to recently you had no clue?(!) I already laid out your excuses: [Parody] Merit translation. Your excuses are nothing new to me. Demn.... Just look at the merit history![/b]


Technically both are correct. I edited it to make it clearer. You are giving merit away in a signature campaign - someone elses merit.
I then changed it to "endorsing" to make it clearer for you what I meant. Being dyslexic means I often edit posts a number of times correcting words and sentences and I add information. Nothing ominous about that.

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May 21, 2018, 06:59:06 AM
#12

I never said that I published them on here. To track scammers can take months of patience and work.  Grin
A lot of it goes straight to the relevant authorities - with solid admissable evidence (not just accusations) and to others with far more flair for publishing.
Like this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22099683
I prefer to quietly work in the background and provide the info to the right people.  Grin

https://i.imgur.com/d1ZWQLj.png




I can't believe how many threads mdayonliner has opened about fairly much the same thing. I've made 3 topics in my entire time on bitcointalk. The guy is not a DT so many people just laugh it off because his feedback is harmless. It doesn't mean that the conduct is acceptable. It just means that it is of little consequence.

Anyway, it's untrusted feedback and I know you're not worried about it.  If this was a DT member, all hell would've broken loose already I'm sure. This isn't going to affect the other members involved much either, unless they have very thin skin.  

I think mdayonliner's conclusions are wrong and I stated as much in the other thread. I think the "terms" of feedback removal are too convoluted and sometimes mdayonliner can seem like a bit of a drama queen but I don't see malicious intent here.

I doubt that the users on the pages and pages of untrusted feedback are even aware of the public accusations made against them since he hasn’t even bothered to contact them. I personally wouldn’t have known if someone hadn’t pointed it out to me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468

1 Lucky you. If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.

It is quite clear from his attitude towards me and others that he thinks he has done nothing wrong and the statement above indicates that he would act even more vindictive if he had more power.


It would have been nice to know when someone tries to dob me in - for something that has a simple explaination. A message would have been a minimum courtesy.

I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations. That's why I always leave the RedTrust removal link on the tag I give.
 

If you are going to accuse someone of something in public then there is a duty to make them aware of it. If you are going to second guess their motives then they should have the opportunity to state their case.

I don't accept his "I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations.". For someone who boasts about making 50+ posts a week in his signature. It would take less time to send a simple format template message than to leave feedback.

If it was about "educating" others then he would have contacted them. I see the tagging quietly as vindictive and self preservation - because if nobody gets the opportunity defend themselves (because they are unaware) he can "conclude" all his "cases" without any of their input - nor get feedback.

I rarely look at untrusted feedback and many users would be quietly unaware that it even exists.

I see something seriously wrong and warped with his conduct.

The answer for all your shits are here: Stop being a schoolboy type @xtraelv.

PS: Read carefully before you reply. It makes your claims non-sense.
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May 20, 2018, 05:08:25 PM
#11

I never said that I published them on here. To track scammers can take months of patience and work.  Grin
A lot of it goes straight to the relevant authorities - with solid admissable evidence (not just accusations) and to others with far more flair for publishing.
Like this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22099683
I prefer to quietly work in the background and provide the info to the right people.  Grin

https://i.imgur.com/d1ZWQLj.png







I can't believe how many threads mdayonliner has opened about fairly much the same thing. I've made 3 topics in my entire time on bitcointalk. The guy is not a DT so many people just laugh it off because his feedback is harmless. It doesn't mean that the conduct is acceptable. It just means that it is of little consequence.

Anyway, it's untrusted feedback and I know you're not worried about it.  If this was a DT member, all hell would've broken loose already I'm sure. This isn't going to affect the other members involved much either, unless they have very thin skin.  

I think mdayonliner's conclusions are wrong and I stated as much in the other thread. I think the "terms" of feedback removal are too convoluted and sometimes mdayonliner can seem like a bit of a drama queen but I don't see malicious intent here.

I doubt that the users on the pages and pages of untrusted feedback are even aware of the public accusations made against them since he hasn’t even bothered to contact them. I personally wouldn’t have known if someone hadn’t pointed it out to me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468

1 Lucky you. If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.

It is quite clear from his attitude towards me and others that he thinks he has done nothing wrong and the statement above indicates that he would act even more vindictive if he had more power.


It would have been nice to know when someone tries to dob me in - for something that has a simple explaination. A message would have been a minimum courtesy.

I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations. That's why I always leave the RedTrust removal link on the tag I give.
 

If you are going to accuse someone of something in public then there is a duty to make them aware of it. If you are going to second guess their motives then they should have the opportunity to state their case.

I don't accept his "I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations.". For someone who boasts about making 50+ posts a week in his signature. It would take less time to send a simple format template message than to leave feedback.

If it was about "educating" others then he would have contacted them. I see the tagging quietly as vindictive and self preservation - because if nobody gets the opportunity defend themselves (because they are unaware) he can "conclude" all his "cases" without any of their input - nor get feedback.

I rarely look at untrusted feedback and many users would be quietly unaware that it even exists.

I see something seriously wrong and warped with his conduct.
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May 20, 2018, 12:08:01 PM
#10
Thanks for stepping in Lauda, The Pharmacist, suchmoon and others in advance.

I would suggest that mdayonliner probably shouldn't be putting those kinds of terms on feedback removal--if you tag someone for merit abuse, scamming, or whatever, you should do it for the good of the community and my opinion is that unless you made an error, the feedback should stick.  Even if it's untrusted.
If my memory serves me right then I believe I had a soft explanation before however I will try again...

=>I do not feel happy by red tagging members.
=>My red tag is a warning for them to aware that they are doing things (if any) wrong (it could be merit or anything else).

It is obvious that they will see the red tag and will write me back or react harsh like this topic (Most of the time I really get harsh reply with threatening messages like "i will give you a negative trust too" but it's ok with me. I left my teenage time long ago).

=>When they come and explain me or they admit they made mistake/s then I remove the red tag with a neutral tag. The neutral tag is a log only for their first warning.

After that if I spot the same behaviour then I can bring all these evidence/s of first warning and request any DT member to take a look on the case. If DT find them guilty then it's up to them if they want to red tag the abuser or not. But my feeling is that DT member WILL red tag them if they do the same mistake 2nd time. And this way the forum will be free from abusers, a better place for users who respect the forum rules, cares about the forum and the community.

Question could be... why don't I give neutral trust at the first place? Because, a neutral trust will not make them serious enough to admit or even to explain me but a red tag will do. 

I think the "terms" of feedback removal are too convoluted and sometimes mdayonliner can seem like a bit of a drama queen but I don't see malicious intent here.
@suchmoon, I hope now you will have a better idea of my redtag removal topic. Based on your feedback here I will re-structure the topic so that it looks good and not a drama queen stuffs  Grin


Stop using these two words every time someone gives you a timeline to correct something. Neither word is applicable here. Overly-sensitive humans. Roll Eyes
@Lauda, thanks for spotting it. That exactly explains my explanation to The Pharmacist above.


In general for the record, I have no interest whatsoever to blackmail anyone for anything especially for un-trusted feedbacks - I am not such stupid.
legendary
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May 20, 2018, 10:24:18 AM
#9
OP, you're complaining about untrusted feedback... there is nothing to blackmail you with.

I know it is huff and puff. But many of the people he has dealt with in his thread don't.

Do you think his demands and conduct are acceptable ?

I think mdayonliner's conclusions are wrong and I stated as much in the other thread. I think the "terms" of feedback removal are too convoluted and sometimes mdayonliner can seem like a bit of a drama queen but I don't see malicious intent here.
legendary
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
May 20, 2018, 09:32:04 AM
#8

OP, your name sounds familiar.  Did I remove a neg from you in the past?

Nope - you have never given me a neg.

I often post in scam posts and have done some projects with Cryptodevil.

You posted in a recent scam thead started by me here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34259772
legendary
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May 20, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
#7
This isn't truly extortion or blackmail here, as has been mentioned, but I would suggest that mdayonliner probably shouldn't be putting those kinds of terms on feedback removal--if you tag someone for merit abuse, scamming, or whatever, you should do it for the good of the community and my opinion is that unless you made an error, the feedback should stick.  Even if it's untrusted.

Mdayonliner isn't benefiting from any of this, even if these people are giving him neutral feedbacks.  That doesn't get him anything, and that's why I'm saying it's not extortion or blackmail.  Others may have a different opinion.

OP, your name sounds familiar.  Did I remove a neg from you in the past?

Edit:
Nope - you have never given me a neg.

I often post in scam posts and have done some projects with Cryptodevil.
Ah, OK.  I know I know you from somewhere around these parts.  Anyway, it's untrusted feedback and I know you're not worried about it.  If this was a DT member, all hell would've broken loose already I'm sure.  This isn't going to affect the other members involved much either, unless they have very thin skin. 
legendary
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May 20, 2018, 09:11:57 AM
#6
OP, you're complaining about untrusted feedback... there is nothing to blackmail you with.

I know it is huff and puff. But many of the people he has dealt with in his thread don't.

Do you think his demands and conduct are acceptable ?
legendary
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May 20, 2018, 09:06:47 AM
#5
OP, you're complaining about untrusted feedback... there is nothing to blackmail you with.
copper member
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May 20, 2018, 08:36:27 AM
#4
The third post, aka poisoning the well, is unnecessary and actually makes your case weaker.

Point taken  - I removed the third post.

You might removed it but FYI I am closely watching all your activities since you have started accusing me with all these harsh words: scammers and blackmailers, hypocritical, blackmailed and scammed, blackmailing spam clown, extortion / blackmail, muppet. You have nothing to prove against me mate.

You are just a big mouth.
1. Economy / Scam Accusations / Medic coin fraudulent scam attempt by people claiming to be part of their team on: April 04, 2018
2. You think I am (?) which is today
3. Economy / Scam Accusations / icenter is a scam ( icenter.co ) again today.

Anyway, I will reply with everything when it's right time.

It is hard to believe that someone who is such a serial poster (little content - lots of posts) only made an account on Bitcointalk in December 2017
There is bound to be a couple of "alts". He has clearly been into crypto much longer (according to his linked social media & with multiple alt facebook accounts)

These are the ones I easily found:
https://www.facebook.com/masudul.kabir.96
https://www.facebook.com/mrnh2011
https://www.facebook.com/masumeva
- I take pride of this statement by the way.


I will hear feedback from the community in here first. Talking to you is waste of my time.
legendary
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May 20, 2018, 08:17:45 AM
#3
Proof of feedback extortion / blackmail
Stop using these two words every time someone gives you a timeline to correct something. Neither word is applicable here. Overly-sensitive humans. Roll Eyes

-snip-
Description changed to ultimatum rather than "blackmail" or "extortion". Title has been changed to sound less dramatic.

Timeline is irrelevant. "I will give you 24 hours of time to admit your mistake on my trust removal topic ." Is not  a satisfactory solution.

The third post, aka poisoning the well, is unnecessary and actually makes your case weaker.

Point taken  - I removed the third post.
legendary
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Terminated.
May 20, 2018, 07:52:41 AM
#2
Proof of feedback extortion / blackmail
Stop using these two words every time someone gives you a timeline to correct something. Neither word is applicable here. Overly-sensitive humans. Roll Eyes

-snip-
The third post, aka poisoning the well, is unnecessary and actually makes your case weaker.
legendary
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
May 19, 2018, 10:38:12 PM
#1
EDITED FOR UPDATES: origional can be viewed here: topic=4019640.msg38050208%23msg38050208">https://web.archive.org/web/20180522114952/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4019640.msg38050208%23msg38050208

This topic has been moved to [META].
Started as scam thread but it is an issue of conduct rather than scam.
The ponzi promotion accusation has been moved here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4221113

TITLE was updated to sound less dramatic and reflect the changed and new content.
The word blackmail has been substituted with ultimatum for reduced dramatic effect.

Please note: These are accusations - not conclusions.

What happened: Looking at my feedback I found that I had been tagged for "Merit abuse" by a nobody that runs various threads promoting himself and (in my opinion) trolling others. Didn't concern me much except when I discovered that his ultimatum is concerning some users.

He gives them an ultimatum that if they give him neutral feedback and if they admit they "merit abused" he will remove his negative feedback.

While I don't care about receiving "merit" from the system or the "untrusted feedback" he has given me -  it concerns me that someone without any bitcointalk official position is issuing ultimatums to users.



Members profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mdayonliner-1432468

Reference Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliners-red-trust-removal-tc-update-3186068  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/done-with-the-topic-new-format-merit-abuser-gang-now-18-1-cases-3168616
https://web.archive.org/web/20180520032404/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliners-red-trust-removal-tc-update-3186068
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/done-with-the-topic-new-format-merit-abuser-gang-now-18-1-cases-3168616
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3168616.20
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3168616.40
https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3168616.60

Issue: Feedback  ultimatum

In my case - in my opinion - the merits were given in accordance to the rules: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177



The issues can be seen here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/discussion-needed-xtraelv-and-lafu-activities-4031390

There are many others that aren't even aware that a merit system exists or choose to not use it.  I don't (and many others) care about the rank system.

There are long periods of time where I don't visit bitcointalk.

A legendary account can easily be bought  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2-legendary-accounts-for-sale-3016335 (amongst all the other account sales on bitcointalk - but that is another can of worms)



Proof people have been negatively affected by the "shoot first - ask questions later (or not at all) "ultimatums" :






So, to avoid red trust on my account from the merit abusers those I have tagged and will be tagging in future also from some moral perspective (e.i 1, e.i 2) I have end up with this decision that I will remove your Red Trust as merit abuser if you accept following six (6) conditions1 in two part.

Part one: Post on the comment section of this threa
1. YOUR USERNAME <= Do not remove the glow and large font code
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes/No
3. You apology in public on this tread: Your apology content has to be at-least 120 character long.
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes/No

Once you done posting the comment then do the following...

Part two:
5. You will send a neutral trust for me referencing the link of your apology post.
6. On the neutral trust you will write: "I am leaving this neutral to keep a record of my merit abusing so that in future if I do the same abusive behaviour and receive red trust from mdayonliner then I will not complain again."

Now edit the same apology post and mention "Done with 5 and 6"

A sample of an apology post
Code:
1. [glow=red,2,300][b][size=15pt]YOUR USERNAME[/size][/b][/glow]
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: [b]"The minimum 120 character apology content" [/b]
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

Edit:
Done with 5 and 6

Once I verify you done everything correctly then I will give you a neutral trust for having a log for me on the my trust page for you so that I can review your profile in future whenever I want and finally I will remove your red trust to give you a second chance.  

1 Lucky you. If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.



I find this quote quite revealing:

1 Lucky you. If I were a DT or staff or even high ranked member then I would never give you this second chance. I need to save my own ass.

Why do I care ? I don't feel that it benefits the forum. Bitcointalk has a reputation of being an abusive (even encouraged and merited ) , largely unmoderated place where scams are promoted, KYC accounts sold, people voice their grievances and has a large volume of low quality posts.

There are far more serious issues in this forum that are ignored.

Only the most serious and proven deliberate merit abuse should be dealt with in this way.



When people apply strict rules to strangers they should apply those same rules to themselves and those close to them.

In this case in my opinion is being highly hypocritical. There are a number of accusations that have been made that have just been ignored here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37774968




Mdayonliner is not a DT so many people just laugh it off because his feedback is harmless. It doesn't mean that the conduct is acceptable. It just means that it is of little consequence.




The method of the ultimatum can be seen here:



- Seriously(!) Be my guest my friend. I will give you 24 hours of time to admit your mistake on my red trust removal topic or I will bring this issue in public and will take feedback from the community. You think I care about your red turst? The reason I will bring the issue in public to prove that I my ground is right and yours is wrong.




Anyway 24 hours (click for countdown) to admit your mistake or I will ask feedback from the community since I need to prove my ground is right to the community.


FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177

KEYWORD: Everything





Quote

Here there is evidence that there is "merit abuse" by his alt account or "brother"




Edited https://i.imgur.com/Jnge3sr.png / replaced previous image with error



Most merit obtained from posting in threads with "merit" as the subject. (I probably even missed a few)

It is clear to me and others that "merit" is extremely important to you and that it is the motivation for some of your conduct.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38101744

The red is where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN alts / family.

Why do I care ? - normally I wouldn't.

But I am holding you to the standard that you are applying to others.


Do I think you exchanged feedback  ? - yes I do. Not just with your brother. Just check the matching dates.

Do I think you merit farm ? Yes - by deliberately posting in lots of merit related topics.

I've given you the same replies you give others. HERE

It made you really angry and you haven't answered the accusations.

Why am I doing this ? To point out the hypocracy of your actions.
(Not to accuse other users)
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