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Topic: Merit broke my life - page 5. (Read 1800 times)

jr. member
Activity: 84
Merit: 6
January 31, 2018, 08:05:31 AM
#30
You know, I'm worried for those people who were left several days before the change of rank.
I know several people who have studied the world of crypto currency, started working on exchanges, traded and held, but at the same time created their accounts on the forum much later, and they write their posts much more interesting and useful than many "oldsports". At the same time, nobody will give their s-merit, no matter how beautifully you write. Many campaigns make stricter conditions where you need to have a rank on the forum, not lower than Full Member. A person who is not a newbie on theme of crypto currency and understands this well, puts his earned money into some currency, but already has no opportunity to participate in the bounty because hi have small rank on the forum. From the side, all this looks like real mercantilism and monopolism. Selected hidden favorites. What happens next? They'll "rock" multi-accounts and selling them for even bigger money.
As for me, the administration needs to revise the merit system. It is not entirely logical if it is done for the benefit of society, rather than a new monetization and source of income for "favorites". Undecided
member
Activity: 271
Merit: 10
January 31, 2018, 07:59:31 AM
#29
You do realise that people can ask for payments in order to send other users merits  ..I personlly think merits are a bad idea. I used it on one of my own forums a few years back and it caused nothign but problems I ended up disabling it in the end
member
Activity: 350
Merit: 47
January 31, 2018, 07:55:52 AM
#28
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 2610
If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
January 31, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
#27
Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(

Then after you got red-handed and your trust bled, you sent a message posthaste to someone whose profile page expressly states:

I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
it took more than 3 days

LIAR.  The date stamp on actmyname’s negative trust feedback to you is 2018-01-25, as any reader may verify on your trust page.  This was as for 50 merit you sent Chetty (uid #1080650) 2018-01-25 14:00:16.  You left retaliatory negative trust for actmyname on 2018-01-26.  That is also on your trust page, and in the screenshot I posted earlier; have another look:


It is unfortunate that the trust datestamps lack greater precision (maybe via some API?).  The lower bound on how long you waited is 9 hours, 59 minutes, 44 seconds (2018-01-25 14:00:16 to 2018-01-26 00:00).  The upper bound is 35 hours, 59 minutes, 44 seconds.  Either way, you waited nowhere close to 72 hours, and certainly not “more than 3 days”, before leaving gross retaliatory feedback you had no right to leave anyway.

You even helpfully lied, and claimed that you risked 1.0 BTC in a matter whereby actmyname violated your trust (n.b. that actmyname properly claimed he risked 0.0 BTC as to you). [...]

I have the right to evaluate my work myself. having lowered to me trust the person has deprived me of work and which I was engaged in earnings for 3 years.

I have the right to evaluate my feelings myself.  Having offended me, you injured me by making me feel disgusted.  I evaluate that at 1000000 BTC cost.  I will now leave you negative trust based on that number.  Deal?

(Somebody does not understand the concept of an objective measure.)

I will not waste my time with the rest of your drivel in this or other posts to present.  You lie, and you get caught, and you keep lying.


I have repeatedly helped users of this forum with their developments for free.
You have no right to say so!
Of course I do, classic self-entitled shitposter.

+1.  If I had it to spare, that ought properly be +50.
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 07:37:30 AM
#26
legendary
Activity: 2226
Merit: 1589
Do not die for Putin
January 31, 2018, 07:01:22 AM
#25
Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, c ;Domrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  Embarrassed
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

You gave 50 to a single post that didn't deserve more than 1.. what did you expect to happen?



Yes and no. I would definitely not give 50 to a single post unless Satoshi himself was giving me the keys for the forgotten accounts of the early Bitcoin (and I guess not even then, as merit cannot be sold).

But the fact is that the merit is highly subjective and there is no specific rule on how much to merit a post.

For me, it would be:

  • No merit to "promo posts", off-topic or just making statement without support (i.e. "Buy XRP because Monday is going to pump").

  • 1 merit for a post with relevant information or helping someone, well written, with sources if required.
  • 2 merits for posts that are "curated", that is edited with the comments and on topic (because it saves lots of time to readers to have all in one place).
  • 3 to 10 merit to extraordinary posts, that take knowledge and effort to write and address a problem that is widespread, helps many people and is appreciated in the community.
  • more than 10 merit based on the story of previous posts, that is, members that consistently post high-quality, non-commercially abusive content and generate interest in the forum.

But all this is highly subjective. For example this post would be between 0 to 1 merit for me, but hey feel free to merit me 50 if you want  Grin Grin Grin




member
Activity: 350
Merit: 47
January 31, 2018, 07:01:05 AM
#24
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
#23
I have repeatedly helped users of this forum with their developments for free.
You have no right to say so!
Of course I do, classic self-entitled shitposter.
it's up to you, not me.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
January 31, 2018, 06:55:50 AM
#22
I have repeatedly helped users of this forum with their developments for free.
You have no right to say so!
Of course I do, classic self-entitled shitposter.
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 06:54:41 AM
#21
If your shitposting life has been ruined by receiving a negative rating on this forum, then you really need to leave.

Complaining about it in the wrong section will not help you.
I have repeatedly helped users of this forum with their developments for free.
You have no right to say so!
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 06:52:44 AM
#20
right now i have 1001 merit - look in my profile please.
about what sMerit you say?
When you click that +Merit button you are giving Merit to other users but you do not detract from your own merit. There are two different forms of merit: static merit and sMerit, which is the sendable merit. When you are sending merit to another individual you subtract from your sMerit total (which is less than your actual merit). Then, an equal amount is added to the user's merit count and they are also given 50% of the sMerit that you sent.

You should read up on the merit system. That would be a better way of learning rather than to 'test' by sending to other users.

Also, even as a test, is 5% (what you assumed) really reasonable?
I really did not read the rules completely, sorry. But seeing the amount of 1000 for me 50 is like a drop in the sea.
I promise that I will carefully manage to merit and only worthy posts. Well, forgive the fool :-(
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
January 31, 2018, 06:49:49 AM
#19
If your shitposting life has been ruined by receiving a negative rating on this forum, then you really need to leave.

Complaining about it in the wrong section will not help you.
copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
January 31, 2018, 06:48:37 AM
#18
right now i have 1001 merit - look in my profile please.
about what sMerit you say?
When you click that +Merit button you are giving Merit to other users but you do not detract from your own merit. There are two different forms of merit: static merit and sMerit, which is the sendable merit. When you are sending merit to another individual you subtract from your sMerit total (which is less than your actual merit). Then, an equal amount is added to the user's merit count and they are also given 50% of the sMerit that you sent.

You should read up on the merit system. That would be a better way of learning rather than to 'test' by sending to other users.

Also, even as a test, is 5% (what you assumed) really reasonable?
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 06:41:04 AM
#17
So, so, so...

First, you sent 50 (fifty) merits to Chetty for a post in a thread advertising a “90% AIRDROP”, a post which said only and exactly this:

Да точно, он вчера писал что осталось 9% монет у него

Approximately:  “Yes, certainly, he said he sent 9% of the coins.”  Fifty merit points for that is not a “test”.  Either you are claiming to be such an imbecile as might make such a “test”, or you presume that we be such imbeciles as to believe such a transparent lie.  ...well, well, well.
For me merit - is just a wrapper. I had 1,000 of them so 50 coins of the picture would not change. Of course, if I had only 10 of them, I would not give them all 10, I would not send anything without having understood
You do not have 1000 sMerit. You have far less.

AFAIK all Legendary (non-source) members got 200 sMerit. 50 out of 200 would be 25% of your sMerit. That's a significant amount for a test.
right now i have 1001 merit - look in my profile please.
about what sMerit you say?
copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
January 31, 2018, 06:38:49 AM
#16
So, so, so...

First, you sent 50 (fifty) merits to Chetty for a post in a thread advertising a “90% AIRDROP”, a post which said only and exactly this:

Да точно, он вчера писал что осталось 9% монет у него

Approximately:  “Yes, certainly, he said he sent 9% of the coins.”  Fifty merit points for that is not a “test”.  Either you are claiming to be such an imbecile as might make such a “test”, or you presume that we be such imbeciles as to believe such a transparent lie.  ...well, well, well.
For me merit - is just a wrapper. I had 1,000 of them so 50 coins of the picture would not change. Of course, if I had only 10 of them, I would not give them all 10, I would not send anything without having understood
You do not have 1000 sMerit. You have far less.

AFAIK all Legendary (non-source) members got 200 sMerit. 50 out of 200 would be 25% of your sMerit. That's a significant amount for a test.
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 06:33:27 AM
#15
So, so, so...

First, you sent 50 (fifty) merits to Chetty for a post in a thread advertising a “90% AIRDROP”, a post which said only and exactly this:

Да точно, он вчера писал что осталось 9% монет у него

Approximately:  “Yes, certainly, he said he sent 9% of the coins.”  Fifty merit points for that is not a “test”.  Either you are claiming to be such an imbecile as might make such a “test”, or you presume that we be such imbeciles as to believe such a transparent lie.  ...well, well, well.
For me merit - is just a wrapper. I had 1,000 of them so 50 coins of the picture would not change. Of course, if I had only 10 of them, I would not give them all 10, I would not send anything without having understood

Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(

Then after you got red-handed and your trust bled, you sent a message posthaste to someone whose profile page expressly states:

I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
it took more than 3 days

As you conveniently forgot to mention, you also sent retaliatory negative trust against actmyname.  Of course, this will accomplish substantially nothing:  Nobody trusts you by default.  actmyname’s trust will not bleed like yours, except for people who explicitly add you to their own trust lists.  You even helpfully lied, and claimed that you risked 1.0 BTC in a matter whereby actmyname violated your trust (n.b. that actmyname properly claimed he risked 0.0 BTC as to you).

I have the right to evaluate my work myself. having lowered to me trust the person has deprived me of work and which I was engaged in earnings for 3 years.

Though you have been on this forum since 2015, somehow, you are ignorant both of how trust works, and of the policy that theymos does not intervene in such trust disputes:

I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  Embarrassed

And you have the nerve to ask:

why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

Well, here’s a hint:  Maybe, just maybe, people on this forum have become a tad peeved and impatient with swindlers who use alts to pump scamcoin airdrops just like you did, prima facie, you sneaky bastard.  And either you are guilty of that, or you are guilty of criminal stupidity; there is no third option here.

Thus now, your life is “broke”.  Ruined!  Destroyed by the evil merit system, whose malevolent tyranny knows no bounds!

Therefore, I suggest that you get a life.
why does everyone have this opinion - once on the forum for a long time, then I must know absolutely everything, while the novice should know nothing? You can spend your whole life in one section.
member
Activity: 97
Merit: 12
January 31, 2018, 03:40:40 AM
#14
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You gave 50 to a single post that didn't deserve more than 1.. what did you expect to happen?


It is likely traded sMerits between those two, nothing more. That is why the system is partially unfair at the moment.

There are lots of traded/ exchanged sMerits between users (in or out of the forum). Those ones will be ranked up sooner than others, despite what others say. After that, what will happen with those ones? Keep spamming the forum with shitty-posts. I guess so.

For those who are trying to post high-quality threads, but their threads missed attention (we can not refuse that higher-level users won't read all the posts in the forum, then choose and give those deserved ones their sMerits. It's only happen by chances, they read by chances) will drop far behind.

I think positively about what merit system can bring to our forum. However, it should be corrected with new rules, new adjustments from Theymos.

~~~~~ Only time will answer the question how good the merit system is ~~~~~
copper member
Activity: 630
Merit: 2610
If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
January 31, 2018, 03:14:40 AM
#13
So, so, so...

First, you sent 50 (fifty) merits to Chetty for a post in a thread advertising a “90% AIRDROP”, a post which said only and exactly this:

Да точно, он вчера писал что осталось 9% монет у него

Approximately:  “Yes, certainly, he said he sent 9% of the coins.”  Fifty merit points for that is not a “test”.  Either you are claiming to be such an imbecile as might make such a “test”, or you presume that we be such imbeciles as to believe such a transparent lie.  ...well, well, well.

Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(

Then after you got red-handed and your trust bled, you sent a message posthaste to someone whose profile page expressly states:

I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.

As you conveniently forgot to mention, you also sent retaliatory negative trust against actmyname.  Of course, this will accomplish substantially nothing:  Nobody trusts you by default.  actmyname’s trust will not bleed like yours, except for people who explicitly add you to their own trust lists.  You even helpfully lied, and claimed that you risked 1.0 BTC in a matter whereby actmyname violated your trust (n.b. that actmyname properly claimed he risked 0.0 BTC as to you).


Though you have been on this forum since 2015, somehow, you are ignorant both of how trust works, and of the policy that theymos does not intervene in such trust disputes:

I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  Embarrassed

And you have the nerve to ask:

why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

Well, here’s a hint:  Maybe, just maybe, people on this forum have become a tad peeved and impatient with swindlers who use alts to pump scamcoin airdrops just like you did, prima facie, you sneaky bastard.  And either you are guilty of that, or you are guilty of criminal stupidity; there is no third option here.

Thus now, your life is “broke”.  Ruined!  Destroyed by the evil merit system, whose malevolent tyranny knows no bounds!

Therefore, I suggest that you get a life.
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 02:25:39 AM
#12
I already made a post on flaws of this system. I think your account might not have negative trust if we have put these checks.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2854183.new#new


 Be positive, Look forward and  continue your journey.
it is unlikely that it will help me, but thanks for the post!
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1002
January 31, 2018, 02:24:23 AM
#11
Hello everyone!

When only merit entered on the forum, I started testing - I sent various amounts to different people (I tested the functionality). The next day, comrade actmyname lowered me to the trust with the words:
"Gave max merit to a post that clearly did not deserve it.
Likely alt. ".
I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(
I sended PM theymos too, but he is silent too.  Embarrassed
why this attitude towards people has become on the forum?

You gave 50 to a single post that didn't deserve more than 1.. what did you expect to happen?


I did not know that such consequences are possible for this. So I had 1000 merits so I tested all the possibilities
Come on you are not new to the forum. You are one of the senior most ranked people of the forum and no one expects such experiments from anyone of this rank. I guess we all know the consequences, when we behave abnormally for certain things. A newbie, junior member or a member if comments any irregular behavior can be ignored or warned but I am afraid if the senior category members get involved in improper activities, then the forum performance will definitely be affected. Merit is introduced to up bring the forum quality not to create a mess for anyone.    
Look. I had 1000 merits, for me 30 do not mean anything. especially if it's bad to send so much much then why do I have restrictions only in 30 and not in 2 say.
you do not think that I sold these merits?
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