Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 142. (Read 167726 times)

So much grateful for it. Thanks for being fair to all the members here who worked hard on making sure they rank up accordingly. Also, the Merit and new rank requirement is a good avenue for the whole forum community to have a better and healthy exchanging of ideas and not just sharing a blabber all around. This will surely empower the members to produce quality posts over time. This will also for sure encourage highly educated people to join the forum since they don't just see low-quality posts.

Although I welcome the merit system by now (it maybe shouldn't be as hard as it is to earn Merit), one example that the Merit system doesn't work very well sometimes ... in my opinion: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iota-1216479

20 Merit for this post, what a lucky guy. 

And the sender mostly sent/earned Merit in Russian topics, who controls whether that is legitimate?

Thanks for your explanations. tbh it's more harder than the past to win merit in chinese board. I may write posts with high qulity in english. let's just do it

Thanks for the explanation! This makes so much sense and sounds like it will be a great system to have here (very successful). It may even prove to cut down on the "scammers" and "trolls."

I wonder why this obvious troll got merited by Quickseller... /s

I'm going to attempt to respond to the immediately below post, and also I have attached a post of yours from another thread, which is related. 



Yes... limited ways is to either receive from another member or to be designated as a merit source.  You may be correct that the merit system and the posting on the thread could devolve into a kind of "sucking up" to the sources, and maybe that is partially by design rather than a fluke.  Of course, theymos owns the forum so he could tweak the system to the extent that he believes it is needed, but we also know that members who are receiving merits are also going to be generating .5 smerits to go out to others.  So if you do the math for the halfening of the smerits that originate with the designated merit sources, then 100 smerits becomes nearly 200 smerits by the time you continue to half it down to nothing.. even though the original 100 smerits started with the sources.


Sure, that might become irritating, because some folks might be seeking merits directly but others are more subtle about it, and in any event some of the forum dynamics change.. .. and you are not really limited in your posts in any kind of meaningful way because it is likely true that some folks are going to merit you for taking an opposing position... as long as you back it up or say it with creativity and/or humor.. and bring some value... so perhaps the benefits of improving post quality will outweigh some of the disadvantages.. and might take months to figure out some of the dynamics and tweak and perhaps years to figure out if the system is causing malignments of incentives.




The merit system was introduced to address a forum spamming, troll and shit posting problem, so maybe if the new system helps with its targeted objective(s) then some of the other side effects might be considered less important? perhaps?


There might be a bit of a puzzle there to figure out which threads have more generous merit givers, but if you are participating in threads that you find interesting and you contribute interesting ideas, then wouldn't logic follow that you are more likely to receive merits because you are truly enjoying what you read and what you post?


From the other thread:

Maybe theymos will change this in the future, but for now, it seems that there is going to be no replenishing of smerits except for designated merit sources.  Of course, theymos could do an airdrop or very vastly expand the number of merit sources, but I doubt that he is going to take any revolutionary steps until some time passes to see how some of the merit system is playing out with his already designated merit sources and how they are distributing merits and also with spending the initial distribution of merits.



Yep.. dynamics are going to change, yet many of the old dogs are still going to have an initial distribution of merits that they can give out.  And, yep dynamics are changing, so ranking up is not going to be the same, but lucky for you and for some of the others (legendary) we have already ranked up to legendary... but it is also possible that a new rank could be created (a bit of further speculation coming out of my brain and also based on discussions in other threads/posts that I had seen).



Perhaps you can budget some of your smerits, and if you remain active in the forum you are likely to earn more smerits as time passes.

I'm generally happy with systems that help make this forum a better place by limiting spam posting, scamming, etc. I've been around for a while so am not in a position to have to earn my way up by collecting merits.

I am a bit concerned about the limited ways there are to get s-merits. It seems the merit sources and the folks who collect a lot of merit points would be the merit whales on this forum, and that over time, people wanting to rank up will post with those whales in mind, rather than simply focusing on quality. Also, there is a certain aspect of this that depends on your ability to promote yourself, not just write quality posts. I don't know if there is a way to kind of equalize that. I think it's great to reward high quality posts, but the ability to write those posts and promote them so that the right forum members may notice them are two different skill sets.

What about them?

You can only get merit if someone merits your post. By making useful posts, you increase the chances of that happening.

That should be obvious. Otherwise, I could create 50 accounts and just keep meriting myself.

Hey now, you're enjoying one of the benefits of a higher rank that I sorely miss: an avatar. Otherwise, I have near-zero interest in bounties, airdrops, sig campaigns and other assorted forms of panhandling/slave labor*.



* - e.g., one campaign by a /reputable/ campaign manager paid 0.00125 BTC for 25 posts in a 1 week period. At 5 minutes per post that works out to around $5/hr.

Agreed. I don't like to mull through the overly wordy posts. Forget about character length. If you can add value or educate someone with one word, it's a post deserving of merit.

It really has nothing to do with the length of a post. I actually find long posts annoying and prefer people to be able to get their point across concisely.

The ability to promote scam coins and dodgy bounty programmes through improved signatures. You get higher rates for higher ranks.

It's because of this that many believe that signature campaigns should be banned.

i am new in this forum. and what is it that makes the rank increase so desperately needed? I am here only to monitor some ico that I may be able to follow

I think at the start of reading this merit thread you will understand it already because it was clearly explained. Now merit is a big help to clean this forum by spammer and account farmers and i think in a few months there will be another feature will launch because some of the account farmers already know how to cheat this merit system.

If someone takes rank as an indication of trustworthiness in a trade - they're are asking to be scammed.

I don't know if someone can get red trust for merely posting as newbie. Sounds like trust abuse. Do you have examples?

I've seen newbies being ridiculed for posting as established members, i.e. for being obvious sockpuppets. Nothing wrong with that. If you have examples of newbies being discriminated against for just being newbies and not because they're ignorant assholes - please share. That hasn't been my experience. I see many new members fitting in just fine.

And yes, I'd be fine with getting rid of the ranks if all ads in posts, avatars, and signatures are banned too. Or avatars/signatures removed completely.

Most of the members who do not have good English think that it is almost impossible for them to get merits here. But in my opinion, they also have good chances provided they take are of :

1) Content quality: If you are compensating bad grammar with superb content here, you can still expect good number of merits. I am sure that senior members here do consider the effort being made by a remember while making a useful post.

2) Posting images of videos: In case your English is very bad, you might not be able to even frame sentences. In such a case, you can try posting images and videos related to the forum rules and can get some merits.

Wow! As if getting activity growth wasn't hard enough, getting merits is even more tough. This thread has been helpful though. At least I have a clearer insight on what to do. Let's see how much merit I can rake in. Blessings to the sources here and the rest

I now understand how merits works in this forum. I will try my best in provide useful information and giving good ideas to gain trust from my loyal reader so as to gain good merits. Thanks for the guild.

Thanks for info, seems the new way is so hard. I read many oroblem about getting merit but i try my best to earn it

Don't put over effort in grammar rather just add something valuable in whatever being discussed