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Churchillvv

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 25, 2024, 01:43:05 PM

I made the classic mistake of equating post length with effort (or how much thought was put into it) when in fact a lot of the longer posts were simply bloated crap.

It's a common mistake and it always looks convincing.

I used to write walls of text beating around the bush but loycev changed that perception of me, maybe I was influenced with the posting style of others. quantity doesn't determine quality, unfortunately you just learnt that late.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 25, 2024, 01:43:05 PM

Maybe you didn't realize this, but before I ended my offer for good in April of this year, I had already made an announcement that I was no longer going to review posts made in the gambling section in October of 2023, because that's where I saw most of the potential abuse coming from.

Never came across that thread before, so I wouldn't know about this decision of yours.

I was way too new to the forum to know about your post review.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 25, 2024, 01:43:05 PM

So I don't know if your sentence above is nudging me to reconsider starting up my review offer, but either way I'm not going to do it. Abusers will always be abusers, and a corollary to that is the vast majority of them are found right here on this goddamn forum, which is like a scumbag magnet of sorts.

*Note: I love this goddamn forum despite its various infestations.*

Nahh, I'm not nudging your to go against your will.

Sad you can't get rid of scumbags because everyday we breed them, I'm not perfect but I see you trying to keep the forum more clean.
y'all trying hard to keep the place clean deserve some accolades.

much love mate!

uchegod-21

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 25, 2024, 01:43:05 PM

Quote from: Churchillvv on June 25, 2024, 06:10:38 AM

Even members who have smerits in their custody don't even find it convincing to spread merit among themselves in the gambling board. That also sends a message.

Tell me about it! Often I'd be doing a post history review for a member who posted primarily in the gambling section and I'd see that nearly all of the other posts on the pages I was visiting hadn't received any merits. And I started to think, "Am I the sucker here or what?". Sad to say but I believe I was. I made the classic mistake of equating post length with effort (or how much thought was put into it) when in fact a lot of the longer posts were simply bloated crap.

Have you tried visiting some other mega threads apart from the ones in gambling discussion? Try to visit mega threads in Altcoinstalks and also understand the level of spam going on there. I am beginning to understand that spam is not peculiar to gambling discussion boards but to any mega threads. Just for the sake of post count, people can just drop shits and move one. They don't care if anyone will attempt to read or not. You only understood the level of spam happening in the gambling discussion board because of your post review. The review demands that you have to read to know post quality. This is why I most times blame managers who read the posts of these spammers week in and out and yet still retain them in their campaign.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Churchillvv on June 25, 2024, 06:10:38 AM

Even members who have smerits in their custody don't even find it convincing to spread merit among themselves in the gambling board. That also sends a message.

Tell me about it! Often I'd be doing a post history review for a member who posted primarily in the gambling section and I'd see that nearly all of the other posts on the pages I was visiting hadn't received any merits. And I started to think, "Am I the sucker here or what?". Sad to say but I believe I was. I made the classic mistake of equating post length with effort (or how much thought was put into it) when in fact a lot of the longer posts were simply bloated crap.

Quote from: Churchillvv on June 25, 2024, 06:10:38 AM

The Sceptical Chymist maybe you forgot one thing "Abusers will always be abusers" maybe you might give a rethink to post review.

Maybe you didn't realize this, but before I ended my offer for good in April of this year, I had already made an announcement that I was no longer going to review posts made in the gambling section in October of 2023, because that's where I saw most of the potential abuse coming from. So I don't know if your sentence above is nudging me to reconsider starting up my review offer, but either way I'm not going to do it. Abusers will always be abusers, and a corollary to that is the vast majority of them are found right here on this goddamn forum, which is like a scumbag magnet of sorts.

*Note: I love this goddamn forum despite its various infestations.*

Miles2006

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 24, 2024, 08:48:47 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on June 23, 2024, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 22, 2024, 08:49:08 PM

I myself I don't really know most of the merit source, I see them same way I see other Forum members without knowing they hold a particular position but I wish one source would be in control in the gambling section.

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

With that number of merit source in the Forum won't it be ok if 2 or one be assigned to the gambling board? I'm only concerned about this particular move, at least 1 who can as well act as the person to give members pass mark on their post, although we only have to say it but the only one who can make it work is Mr Theymos, if he doesn't then all we're saying are for nothing. Mr Theymos knows best and we can't tell a man how to run his home we only give advise and suggestions.

Issues like this keep coming up and it’s either people complain about the gambling board lacking merit or sometimes people still criticize the merit system and merit distribution. Everyone will definitely have their likes and dislikes secondly my own way of choosing quality posts will be totally different from someone else choice that’s why most times few merit source can decide to ignore any board, from my observation it’s either most merit source don’t understand how gambling works so it’s difficult meriting any post in gambling discussion with zero experience but, reasons best known to oneself for making any decision so it’s best we respect their different decision.
Here is just one merit application I found concerning the gambling board: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptofrkas-merit-source-application-lets-improve-the-gambling-boards-5464289

EarnOnVictor

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 24, 2024, 11:38:54 AM

Quote from: Accardo on May 29, 2024, 07:43:45 AM

Hi all, I actually don't know how many merit sources exists in the forum and what activities mostly interests them. But I'm sure I've seen threads with complaints regarding the gambling section lacking merit sources. Which simply means that accounts assigned to share merits don't lurk around that board. Looking at it, I thought of this occurrence being the choice of the merit sources as they don't want to read or share posts in that board. If they were interested they would have joined campaigns that promote gambling. You know what that means? They'll probably have to post there. In a nutshell, disturbing the admins of this forum to send such people to the board is good, but from my perspective it's their choice not to be there. Gambling campaigns would have been the easiest way of getting some members in the merit distributing category to the gambling section, but a lot of them avoids it too. Hence such a collaborative choice, as it may seem, definitely has reason. What could that be?

Well, I did just say that you are not far from the truth, if actually all that you said isnt the exact truth.
I personally don't understand the rules that goes with being a merit source, whether they are restricted from sharing or sending merits to posts in some board, I can't really tell but if this be the case, then I guess it's not really their fault neglecting the gambling board, since from what I know, the gambling board seems not to have any merit source dedicated to it.

But in a situation where the merit sources are at liberty of sending merits to posts from any board of their choice (doest matter if they applied to be a merit source in a local board, bitcoin board etc), then it's completely their decision to neglect the gambling, and this is because most of them believe that no good posts are being made in that board aside spam, which totally is incorrect.

Meriting a section of the forum has never been resisted in my opinion, at least not by any rule and no one would say you should not merit a certain section being a merit source even if you were granted the status for a different section during the application. All I see here is a practice that has had a solid root, which is fine. But one thing that is certain is that there are many posts in the gambling section that are multiple times better than the posts they merit elsewhere when it comes to construction and meaning.

That section is merely stereotyped by many, and as you know, what others are doing, many others would follow, it is just a trend. Had it been you see the huge voices on the forum meriting well at that section, you will see many others doing that's well. This is why I conclude that it is not natural but a copied practice.

Churchillvv

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 24, 2024, 09:08:42 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 24, 2024, 11:38:54 AM

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You use a hell of a lot of words to make a minor statement, just saying.

There are NO restrictions as to boards on which merit sources can hand out merits--and if there are, Theymos certainly didn't send me the memo. Probably against my better judgement I've given plenty of merits to members who post in the gambling section, but that was when I was doing post history reviews. It was also one of the reasons why I stopped doing them; I started to suspect that there were a ton of shady members who pitched their tents in the gambling sections, were making borderline OK posts but were using me to farm merits.

I've already posted in this thread, but if there's a section that doesn't need a devoted merit source, it's gambling.

Even members who have smerits in their custody don't even find it convincing to spread merit among themselves in the gambling board. That also sends a message.

If anyone (merit source) would dedicate themselves to giving out merit in that board it must be an obvious merit worthy post. Basically all I can see there is repetition of post or should I call it shady paraphrases. over 95% of post in that board are for post count.

The Sceptical Chymist maybe you forgot one thing "Abusers will always be abusers" maybe you might give a rethink to post review.

Majestic-milf

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 24, 2024, 08:48:47 PM

With that number of merit source in the Forum won't it be ok if 2 or one be assigned to the gambling board? I'm only concerned about this particular move, at least 1 who can as well act as the person to give members pass mark on their post, although we only have to say it but the only one who can make it work is Mr Theymos, if he doesn't then all we're saying are for nothing. Mr Theymos knows best and we can't tell a man how to run his home we only give advise and suggestions.

It will be a good thing if at least one is assigned there but just like I said earlier, since we know there are merit sources who frequent the gambling, it's also hard to get good posters and even when there are, it's difficult to locate those who drop good content. Or do you propose create a separate room for quality posts so it can be easy for them to locate?
The gambling section has earned a reputation for housing spammers and sometimes shit posters and it's unfortunate that good posters who go there often get roped in. I can count on my finger how many times I've being merited on that section and if it isn't for Sceptical's benevolence when he was still doing the posts reviews, I doubt it will have reached six.
The way I see it, it's not like MS are stingy or they don't see good posters over there, it's just maybe they are trying to be fair; because if you start giving a particular set of users, the ones who don't receive will start feeling left out and you'd begin to see threads being created to voice out their displeasure.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 24, 2024, 11:38:54 AM

Well, I did just say that you are not far from the truth, if actually all that you said isnt the exact truth.
I personally don't understand the rules that goes with being a merit source, whether they are restricted from sharing or sending merits to posts in some board, I can't really tell but if this be the case, then I guess it's not really their fault neglecting the gambling board, since from what I know, the gambling board seems not to have any merit source dedicated to it.

You use a hell of a lot of words to make a minor statement, just saying.

There are NO restrictions as to boards on which merit sources can hand out merits--and if there are, Theymos certainly didn't send me the memo. Probably against my better judgement I've given plenty of merits to members who post in the gambling section, but that was when I was doing post history reviews. It was also one of the reasons why I stopped doing them; I started to suspect that there were a ton of shady members who pitched their tents in the gambling sections, were making borderline OK posts but were using me to farm merits.

I've already posted in this thread, but if there's a section that doesn't need a devoted merit source, it's gambling.

Sexylizzy2813

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Quote from: Igebotz on June 23, 2024, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 22, 2024, 08:49:08 PM

I myself I don't really know most of the merit source, I see them same way I see other Forum members without knowing they hold a particular position but I wish one source would be in control in the gambling section.

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

With that number of merit source in the Forum won't it be ok if 2 or one be assigned to the gambling board? I'm only concerned about this particular move, at least 1 who can as well act as the person to give members pass mark on their post, although we only have to say it but the only one who can make it work is Mr Theymos, if he doesn't then all we're saying are for nothing. Mr Theymos knows best and we can't tell a man how to run his home we only give advise and suggestions.

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Quote from: Accardo on May 29, 2024, 07:43:45 AM

Hi all, I actually don't know how many merit sources exists in the forum and what activities mostly interests them. But I'm sure I've seen threads with complaints regarding the gambling section lacking merit sources. Which simply means that accounts assigned to share merits don't lurk around that board. Looking at it, I thought of this occurrence being the choice of the merit sources as they don't want to read or share posts in that board. If they were interested they would have joined campaigns that promote gambling. You know what that means? They'll probably have to post there. In a nutshell, disturbing the admins of this forum to send such people to the board is good, but from my perspective it's their choice not to be there. Gambling campaigns would have been the easiest way of getting some members in the merit distributing category to the gambling section, but a lot of them avoids it too. Hence such a collaborative choice, as it may seem, definitely has reason. What could that be?

Well, I did just say that you are not far from the truth, if actually all that you said isnt the exact truth.
I personally don't understand the rules that goes with being a merit source, whether they are restricted from sharing or sending merits to posts in some board, I can't really tell but if this be the case, then I guess it's not really their fault neglecting the gambling board, since from what I know, the gambling board seems not to have any merit source dedicated to it.

But in a situation where the merit sources are at liberty of sending merits to posts from any board of their choice (doest matter if they applied to be a merit source in a local board, bitcoin board etc), then it's completely their decision to neglect the gambling, and this is because most of them believe that no good posts are being made in that board aside spam, which totally is incorrect.

Halab

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Quote from: Igebotz on June 23, 2024, 05:56:42 PM

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Pssst young padawan, this list is only visible to Staff members or admins. Theymos has never publicly given out the list of MS (even though they are quickly and efficiently spotted), so I assume that this list is "secret"

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Igebotz

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 22, 2024, 08:49:08 PM

I myself I don't really know most of the merit source, I see them same way I see other Forum members without knowing they hold a particular position but I wish one source would be in control in the gambling section.

This is the list of both old and New merit source + allocation power https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Quote from: TheUltraElite on June 23, 2024, 04:54:02 AM

There are specific threads where some sources are regulars, but not everyone feels welcome while posting in them. Cool

You're referring to sponsored pool threads - well, you're welcome to Post but we only allowed participants so you're gonna pay small fee to come onboard and enjoy all the privilege that follows... Cheesy

TheUltraElite

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: Igebotz on June 22, 2024, 04:08:48 PM

Most of the individuals I engage with on the gambling board are merit sources who rarely read mega threads. Those who complain about not receiving a single merit are the ones who spam mega threads and avoid discussing in self-moderated threads.

The threads in gambling that end with 15 pages on average are the regular posting sections for those who are enrolled in casino signature campaigns with a gambling section posting requirement. Then there are those discussion threads that go for hundreds of pages. I believe you are talking about the first one, because I have rarely seen posts beyond page 2 getting merited and then the discussion gets rehashed and off topic from the OP.

There are specific threads where some sources are regulars, but not everyone feels welcome while posting in them. Cool

Sexylizzy2813

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Quote from: Igebotz on June 22, 2024, 04:08:48 PM

Most of the individuals I engage with on the gambling board are merit sources who rarely read mega threads. Those who complain about not receiving a single merit are the ones who spam mega threads and avoid discussing in self-moderated threads.

Not everyone who noticed these spamming on the Forum like those who post, some just do their thing and go without checking the harm it will cause but I believe with time the number of spamming will reduce especially in the gambling board. I myself I don't really know most of the merit source, I see them same way I see other Forum members without knowing they hold a particular position but I wish one source would be in control in the gambling section.

Rengga Jati

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Quote from: Oshosondy on May 29, 2024, 08:03:00 AM

There are many merit sources on gambling boards now. The problem is that they do not like to give merit to gambling posts. I see many more of them when mixers and Bestchange campaigns ended, most of them are now hearing the signature and avatar of gambling sites.

Yes, if we look at various posts on gambling platforms, a very small percentage of posts get merit. Indeed, each merit sources certainly has certain criteria in distributing their merits. And so far, it could be that the discussion on gambling is not one of the priorities for getting merits.

Oh yes, actually it's not just the merit awards, but also us as members, so far I personally have never given merits on the gambling board, or I forgot. Have we become accustomed to the fact that it is only for gambling discussions, so we ourselves are not able to think about it to provide merits?

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Quote from: hugeblack on May 30, 2024, 07:45:12 AM

Gambling board is on my ignore list, but a lot of merit sources wear gambling signatures and therefore they are forced to create posts there, which means that your chance of getting merits there is higher.

Does anyone still force someone to write their posts in a particular board? My campaign does not require it, although I sometimes peek into that board and write some posts - because I think the best way to promote some company is actually writing in a variety of boards, not focusing on one board.

Yes, there are still some campaigns, especially altcoins, which still have exceptions for posting on several boards, one of which is on gambling boards. However, this also seems to be because who knows what the project team wants, that their target is not on the gambling boards. So, whatever it is, we just do it according to the rules of each campaign we are running.

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Quote from: Accardo on June 12, 2024, 02:20:50 PM

For real, this will work, the gambling board is also a section of the forum. And it's weird to say that members of this forum who write well in other sections lose their writing skills when on the gambling section. Lots of good writers with nice contributions are on the section, but the conversation does not vary so extensively with other created threads. Which could be a good reason why most merit sources get tired of reading the section. Looking at it you'll notice how the gambling niche revolves around addiction, win or loss. Hence, they are no much new discovery on discussion that wouldn't sit on the three I mentioned above. So, with the involvement of merit sources on casino campaigns they'll most likely read through few responses on the board, and figure out the few ones eligible for merits. The efforts there shouldn't be tagged as wasted.

There are merits on the gambling board, but not as many as on other boards, and those who post on proper thread with less spam find it much easier to gain merit than those who exclusively post on mega spam threads that no one reads... I've handed out a few merits on the gambling board, and I've received a couple of them. It's also about posting where everyone can read.

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 22, 2024, 02:15:12 PM

Or can we say one of the reasons why gambling board lacks merit is because almost all the merit source are not into gambling or they don't really fancy going there to read post in that section. I'm just saying and if you check we hardly see some of them posting there even if they the campaign they're in support gambling.

Most of the individuals I engage with on the gambling board are merit sources who rarely read mega threads. Those who complain about not receiving a single merit are the ones who spam mega threads and avoid discussing in self-moderated threads.

Sexylizzy2813

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Quote from: Accardo on June 12, 2024, 02:20:50 PM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 11, 2024, 11:32:32 AM

Quote from: Z-tight on June 11, 2024, 09:33:22 AM

The only gambling board merit source application i have seen is this one, and as far as i know it hasn't been approved yet, so there is no merit source for that section.

From what I saw I don't think that's going to work I mean on the link you provided, the best thing is send someone to base on the gambling section to attend to quality post, if not then I think that section is on it's own. I don't know if the spamming is what's making merit source to abstain from the gambling board, I can't tell. But 1 or 2 merit source should throw some attention over to the gambling board and I think it will make members who post there to add some seriousness, there will be some improvement in that section if it happens.

For real, this will work, the gambling board is also a section of the forum. And it's weird to say that members of this forum who write well in other sections lose their writing skills when on the gambling section. Lots of good writers with nice contributions are on the section, but the conversation does not vary so extensively with other created threads. Which could be a good reason why most merit sources get tired of reading the section. Looking at it you'll notice how the gambling niche revolves around addiction, win or loss. Hence, they are no much new discovery on discussion that wouldn't sit on the three I mentioned above. So, with the involvement of merit sources on casino campaigns they'll most likely read through few responses on the board, and figure out the few ones eligible for merits. The efforts there shouldn't be tagged as wasted.

Or can we say one of the reasons why gambling board lacks merit is because almost all the merit source are not into gambling or they don't really fancy going there to read post in that section. I'm just saying and if you check we hardly see some of them posting there even if they the campaign they're in support gambling.
If is not addiction then the discussion won't make members say much about a thread so we shouldn't blame users if the topics keeps repeating it self and that shouldn't stop merit source from strolling towards that area.

Accardo

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on June 11, 2024, 11:32:32 AM

Quote from: Z-tight on June 11, 2024, 09:33:22 AM

The only gambling board merit source application i have seen is this one, and as far as i know it hasn't been approved yet, so there is no merit source for that section.

From what I saw I don't think that's going to work I mean on the link you provided, the best thing is send someone to base on the gambling section to attend to quality post, if not then I think that section is on it's own. I don't know if the spamming is what's making merit source to abstain from the gambling board, I can't tell. But 1 or 2 merit source should throw some attention over to the gambling board and I think it will make members who post there to add some seriousness, there will be some improvement in that section if it happens.

For real, this will work, the gambling board is also a section of the forum. And it's weird to say that members of this forum who write well in other sections lose their writing skills when on the gambling section. Lots of good writers with nice contributions are on the section, but the conversation does not vary so extensively with other created threads. Which could be a good reason why most merit sources get tired of reading the section. Looking at it you'll notice how the gambling niche revolves around addiction, win or loss. Hence, they are no much new discovery on discussion that wouldn't sit on the three I mentioned above. So, with the involvement of merit sources on casino campaigns they'll most likely read through few responses on the board, and figure out the few ones eligible for merits. The efforts there shouldn't be tagged as wasted.

Sexylizzy2813

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Quote from: Z-tight on June 11, 2024, 09:33:22 AM

The only gambling board merit source application i have seen is this one, and as far as i know it hasn't been approved yet, so there is no merit source for that section.

From what I saw I don't think that's going to work I mean on the link you provided, the best thing is send someone to base on the gambling section to attend to quality post, if not then I think that section is on it's own. I don't know if the spamming is what's making merit source to abstain from the gambling board, I can't tell. But 1 or 2 merit source should throw some attention over to the gambling board and I think it will make members who post there to add some seriousness, there will be some improvement in that section if it happens.

Z-tight

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Quote from: AVE5 on June 11, 2024, 07:54:51 AM

Sorry does it really mean that merit sources do have the right to do whatever they chooses to with merits assigned to them to distribute in the board?

Some members apply to be merit sources of a particular section, however if their application is approved by the admin, it does not mean they cannot merit posts outside that section, but most of their source merits would likely be spread in the section they indicated in their application.

The only gambling board merit source application i have seen is this one, and as far as i know it hasn't been approved yet, so there is no merit source for that section.

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