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Topic: Mini-Rig from Butterflylabs - page 11. (Read 21146 times)

rjk
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1ngldh
March 19, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
#46
I think it will. Any builder knows that a PSU really shouldn't be running at more than 80% of full load continuously, which in this case is 80% of 1500 watts (1200 watts). Assuming they stick to this, power won't be a problem.

Says who?  Rated power is rated power.  "50% rule", "80% rule" are pure nonsense.  People need to stop babying their power supply.  Run it at full power.  If it is solid (Seasonic) it will run for years at 100% load.  If it is a piece of shit well then RMA it, and break it again, and RMA it, and break it again, and RMA it, and break it again and RMA it.  Post of forums that it is a piece of shit, give it 1 egg on newegg, make a blog about how company xyz rips off customers.

Rated power is rated power.  If a PSU can't put out more than 1000W CONTINUALLY then it should be rated at 1000W not 1200W.  Consumers that baby the suppliers only subsidize substandard products.

I mean it would be like someone selling you a sports car which has a top speed of 160 mph but if you drive it faster than 80 mph it explodes and people say "dude everyone knows not to drive a sports car faster than 50% of rated speed).  It is just as foolish to hold PSU to the same low standard.

Semi offtopic rant aside, the listed spec for RigBox is ~2500W so a 50% unit would likely be ~1250W.
Very good. But my reasoning wasn't reliability, it was efficiency. The curves on most if not all PSUs go all to shit when running under 25% or over 80%.
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Gerald Davis
March 19, 2012, 10:23:57 AM
#45
I think it will. Any builder knows that a PSU really shouldn't be running at more than 80% of full load continuously, which in this case is 80% of 1500 watts (1200 watts). Assuming they stick to this, power won't be a problem.

Says who?  Rated power is rated power.  "50% rule", "80% rule" are pure nonsense.  People need to stop babying their power supply.  Run it at full power.  If it is solid (Seasonic, XFX, Corsair, etc) it will run for years at 100% load.  If it is a piece of shit well then RMA it, and break it again, and RMA it, and break it again, and RMA it, and break it again and RMA it.  Post of forums that it is a piece of shit, give it 1 egg on newegg, make a blog about how company xyz rips off customers.

Rated power is rated power.  If a PSU can't put out more than 1000W CONTINUALLY then it should be rated at 1000W not 1200W.  Consumers that baby the suppliers only subsidize substandard products.

I mean it would be like someone selling you a sports car which has a top speed of 160 mph but if you drive it faster than 80 mph it explodes and people say "dude everyone knows not to drive a sports car faster than 50% of rated speed).  It is just as foolish to hold PSU to the same low standard.

Semi offtopic rant aside, the listed spec for RigBox is ~2500W so a 50% unit would likely be ~1250W.
rjk
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1ngldh
March 19, 2012, 10:10:57 AM
#44
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.

All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.

Very interested in this. At $15k it is a much more flexible option and I suspect you would get more uptake than the $30k units.

One thing: as has been mentioned a few times here, it is important that this be able to run continuously on a 'regular' household circuit. For continuous use it must be derated to 80%. For North America, that is 15Ax120V (1800W) * 0.8 = 1440W. If it can run within that envelope, it can be run in any household.
I think it will. Any builder knows that a PSU really shouldn't be running at more than 80% of full load continuously, which in this case is 80% of 1500 watts (1200 watts). Assuming they stick to this, power won't be a problem.
legendary
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March 19, 2012, 10:06:19 AM
#43
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.

All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.

Very interested in this. At $15k it is a much more flexible option and I suspect you would get more uptake than the $30k units.

One thing: as has been mentioned a few times here, it is important that this be able to run continuously on a 'regular' household circuit. For continuous use it must be derated to 80%. For North America, that is 15Ax120V (1800W) * 0.8 = 1440W. If it can run within that envelope, it can be run in any household.
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March 19, 2012, 10:05:49 AM
#42
I was planning to rewire my house anyway, but having being able to use mini rig boxes anywhere else gives me mobility. So, yes I'll definitively order MRB instead. It also gives a better scalability.
+1 for blade server casing idea.
newbie
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March 18, 2012, 06:26:26 PM
#41
I'd like to see something in the $5k range.  This way I can..

1) spread them out
2) if one goes down I don't lose all production
3) expand the farm more often



+1 I'll take two please
donator
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March 18, 2012, 08:04:02 AM
#40
following with interest, this would be a good spot power/price wise for me
vip
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March 18, 2012, 06:45:33 AM
#39
Well, basically, turning a profit before the block reward halves...

Better get your calculator back out.
legendary
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March 18, 2012, 12:17:24 AM
#38
Well, basically, turning a profit before the block reward halves...
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March 17, 2012, 11:58:22 PM
#37
So I'm guessing, based on the figures quoted, that those of you considering this have a price target of over $10/BTC ?

what math leads you there?
legendary
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March 17, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
#36
So I'm guessing, based on the figures quoted, that those of you considering this have a price target of over $10/BTC ?
legendary
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March 17, 2012, 11:35:32 PM
#35
why dont you worry about just getting the singles out not all of us have them yet that ordered them
agreed! i've ordered a month ago and not a single email.
vip
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March 17, 2012, 08:34:14 PM
#34
I'd hope your PSUs are user replaceable ATX psu.

Some server PSU are great for the price but they're harder to find.

I'd definitively get one at 15k

They have decided to go with 1500w ATX PSUs from what Inaba said....

BFL-Engineer, can you confirm this?
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March 17, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
#33
I'd hope your PSUs are user replaceable ATX psu.

Some server PSU are great for the price but they're harder to find.

I'd definitively get one at 15k
legendary
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March 17, 2012, 07:38:04 PM
#32
1650W max @ 110V, otherwise I can't place it anywhere.
1650 is too much on a standard household circuit.  Unless you have properly installed (and new wiring) with NOTHING else on the circuit it's going to trip multiple times per day.  1500 is definitely the max.  1200-1250 would be the perfect amount and leave enough of a cushion in case you accidentally place a fan or tv on the same circuit.
Technically, a 15 amp circuit supports a max of 1800 watts - but that is the "burst" rating, and must be reduced (derated)  to 80% of that for continuous loads. Therefore, 1440 watts continuous maximum.
I concur.  That's why 1200-1250 is ideal.  Leaves room for less-than-optimum wiring and or sub-standard circuits and/or something accidentally getting plugged in on the circuit (most people don't know exactly what outlet goes to which circuit -- unless you built or wired your own house).
rjk
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1ngldh
March 17, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
#31
1650W max @ 110V, otherwise I can't place it anywhere.
1650 is too much on a standard household circuit.  Unless you have properly installed (and new wiring) with NOTHING else on the circuit it's going to trip multiple times per day.  1500 is definitely the max.  1200-1250 would be the perfect amount and leave enough of a cushion in case you accidentally place a fan or tv on the same circuit.
Technically, a 15 amp circuit supports a max of 1800 watts - but that is the "burst" rating, and must be reduced (derated)  to 80% of that for continuous loads. Therefore, 1440 watts continuous maximum.

legendary
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March 17, 2012, 06:08:43 PM
#30
1650W max @ 110V, otherwise I can't place it anywhere.
1650 is too much on a standard household circuit.  Unless you have properly installed (and new wiring) with NOTHING else on the circuit it's going to trip multiple times per day.  1500 is definitely the max.  1200-1250 would be the perfect amount and leave enough of a cushion in case you accidentally place a fan or tv on the same circuit.
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March 17, 2012, 06:02:55 PM
#29
Yep, this is a better idea than the full rigbox I reckon.   As already mentioned, better two of these with dedicated power supplies than 1 big box that requires 2 PSU's.

I'd be interested Smiley
donator
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March 17, 2012, 05:59:05 PM
#28
I was already wondering when this would come up.

1650W max @ 110V, otherwise I can't place it anywhere.
vip
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March 17, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
#27
Just make the "smaller" one and sell two to the people who ordered the "original rigbox".

I would be OK with this for my pervious orders of the rig box.
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