You need to design something that is below 1500w current draw, so it can be used on a normal household circuit. With the 5x more power usage per hash than your original specification, "rigbox" can't be plugged into anything beyond a specialized circuit with a high-amperage nema plug.
Agreed. If you're going to use a 240 volt line you might as well run the full Rigbox. 1500 watts is too close to constantly tripping breakers on a standard 15 amp circuit. 1200 watts would be ideal. 
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15k aren't change, but I would probably find a way to fork them over for that kind of hashing power and electric efficiency. The Rig Box was something that I wouldn't have considered buying very soon due to a high cost to pay all at once, not to mention the power draw - a bit high for my currently available circuits.
I also subscribe to the blade rack idea presented above - the more modular the better.
I also subscribe to the blade rack idea presented above - the more modular the better.
Another idea is to have a blade-like rack in which you put in compute units. It would be possible to buy the base box for ~5000$ with a few units and then add other cards as needed.
Of course, this makes cooling quite a bit more difficult, but it would lower the barrier to entry by quite a bit.
Of course, this makes cooling quite a bit more difficult, but it would lower the barrier to entry by quite a bit.
+1 this would be ideal for this product. Right-size for all (serious) budgets. They don't need to be hot-plug and would allow for mixed generations of FPGA boards in the future. Of course this means more R&D into the "chassis" which would mean we won't see if for some time...
lmao they already doing that with singles
Another idea is to have a blade-like rack in which you put in compute units. It would be possible to buy the base box for ~5000$ with a few units and then add other cards as needed.
Of course, this makes cooling quite a bit more difficult, but it would lower the barrier to entry by quite a bit.
Of course, this makes cooling quite a bit more difficult, but it would lower the barrier to entry by quite a bit.
Given the rig box as specified requires 2 power supplies and multiple boards I never understood the reason for making it a single unit.
50.4 GH/s @ 2500W requiring two powersupplies for $30K
vs
25 GH/s @ 1200W requiring a single powersupply for $15K
Just make the "smaller" one and sell two to the people who ordered the "original rigbox".
50.4 GH/s @ 2500W requiring two powersupplies for $30K
vs
25 GH/s @ 1200W requiring a single powersupply for $15K
Just make the "smaller" one and sell two to the people who ordered the "original rigbox".
I think you should work on the singles producing 1 gigahash, most people do not have thousands of dollars to spend on 1 unit but would rather build upon each unit that they buy.
The singles have a 6 month warranty, which is longer than any other similar product with the exception of Ztex's 2 year warranty.
GPUs have 2 years to lifetime warranties.
The singles have a 6 month warranty, which is longer than any other similar product with the exception of Ztex's 2 year warranty.
GPUs have 2 years to lifetime warranties.
why dont you worry about just getting the singles out not all of us have them yet that ordered them
I'd buy it today since I'm moving in the direction of FPGA. I've already bought 10 singles from you and I get $0.75 per Mhash on them. What your proposing would bring my cost down to $0.60 and who doesn't like to pay less. It's only marginally more expensive then the RigBox at $0.56. Btw I don't have to pay for electricity so I don't factor in that cost in my decisions.
Since you don't provide a warranty and there's no idea how long these boards will last before failure it's hard to invest in them. I would really like to see you guys provide a warranty on your products. It would also help if we knew what value they have outside of Bitcoin mining. Your website says they have other uses but I can't find any information on it.
Thanks for a great product and I look forward to the Mini-Rig!
The singles have a 6 month warranty, which is longer than any other similar product with the exception of Ztex's 2 year warranty. Since you don't provide a warranty and there's no idea how long these boards will last before failure it's hard to invest in them. I would really like to see you guys provide a warranty on your products. It would also help if we knew what value they have outside of Bitcoin mining. Your website says they have other uses but I can't find any information on it.
Thanks for a great product and I look forward to the Mini-Rig!
Hello Everyone,
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
I'd buy it today since I'm moving in the direction of FPGA. I've already bought 10 singles from you and I get $0.75 per Mhash on them. What your proposing would bring my cost down to $0.60 and who doesn't like to pay less. It's only marginally more expensive then the RigBox at $0.56. Btw I don't have to pay for electricity so I don't factor in that cost in my decisions.
Since you don't provide a warranty and there's no idea how long these boards will last before failure it's hard to invest in them. I would really like to see you guys provide a warranty on your products. It would also help if we knew what value they have outside of Bitcoin mining. Your website says they have other uses but I can't find any information on it.
Thanks for a great product and I look forward to the Mini-Rig!
Hello Everyone,
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
if you can deliver it in the next few weeks, I'll take one. if you guys can stick it into a 1u case all the better, would make storing those things much easier here in the garage.
If you could have a 1500 watt PSU at 120 VAC, but only be using 80% or less of its capacity, that would be an excellent sweet spot, because that would be just right for a common 15 amp US circuit. Any more than that and people would have to use less common 20 amp circuits.
Will these be stand alone units with ethernet or will they have to be usb connected to a computer?
I'd like to see something in the $5k range. This way I can..
1) spread them out
2) if one goes down I don't lose all production
3) expand the farm more often
1) spread them out
2) if one goes down I don't lose all production
3) expand the farm more often
My mining operation is rather small even after current upgrades, but priced at 15k $ i might be able to justify the cost come next winter, 25-30k $ definitively not.
Also depends upon warranty (and insurance terms) i can get for the device.
But if i decide to go for it, expect steady purchases for new ones every few months.
and yeah around 1500W is the sweetspot, can have 2x on 16A circuit. Then again, almost all industrial + DC circuits around here are 25A.
Some offices have only 10A. The gap can be filled with FPGA miners or Sngles
Also depends upon warranty (and insurance terms) i can get for the device.
But if i decide to go for it, expect steady purchases for new ones every few months.
and yeah around 1500W is the sweetspot, can have 2x on 16A circuit. Then again, almost all industrial + DC circuits around here are 25A.
Some offices have only 10A. The gap can be filled with FPGA miners or Sngles
It would be Stupid for BFL to build one that uses >1500Watts
Nobody on the western half of the world would want one, Because they'd have to unplug a furnace or something just to run it.
a "mini rig box"? FUCK YES, ID DEFINITLY PURCHASE THAT IF I HAD THE MONEY.
A BFL Cube? FUUUUUUUUUuuuuuu i need one.
a rigbox? Frigoff, Im not rewiring my house
Nobody on the western half of the world would want one, Because they'd have to unplug a furnace or something just to run it.
a "mini rig box"? FUCK YES, ID DEFINITLY PURCHASE THAT IF I HAD THE MONEY.
A BFL Cube? FUUUUUUUUUuuuuuu i need one.
a rigbox? Frigoff, Im not rewiring my house
Hello Everyone,
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
If this is the price after taxes/duties/shipping to EU countries (or you manage to ship from EU) I'll be interested.
EDIT: You HAVE to provide decent warranty. That means at least 24 months, this is the min. what GPU manufacturers provide. Note that GPUs are possible to resell if bitcoin crashes again or to use for other tasks apart from mining.
You need to design something that is below 1500w current draw, so it can be used on a normal household circuit. With the 5x more power usage per hash than your original specification, "rigbox" can't be plugged into anything beyond a specialized circuit with a high-amperage nema plug.
Sure it can, depends on where you live. We have 16A 230V household citcuits here.
Hello Everyone,
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
We wanted to evaluate the market and ask our fellow customers whether a Mini-Rig operating
at 25 GH/s and priced at half price (15K$) and consuming around 1.2KW would be something they
consider or not.
All suggestions/ideas/opinions are welcome.
Reagrds,
BFL
translation: Holy crap are we having difficulty keeping the Rig cool. Can't just add a fan to the bottom this time. While we work on this, lets rip out half the cores and cut the price in half.
And YES, I'll be interested. At 25K you were right at the bleeding edge of my avaliable funds. At 30K I'm priced out. At 15K (even for half the performance) I'll definately be buying one.
Sigg
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