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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
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because every system in the casino is made by humans, there is no such thing as perfect, so gambling sites often have difficulty detecting whether those playing on their sites are adults or children, even though the gambling sites already require KYC because now there are many ways to manipulate KYC.

based on what I know, even in countries where gambling is legal, when casinos get a license they must obey the rules set and allowing minors to gamble is a serious violation so you must report to the authorities if you find minors gambling.

Honestly it all comes down to parenting. Here in the United States if you've got strict parents that heavily monitor your online activity, then it's highly unlikely that children are going to be able to make it possible for themselves to gamble online. I know when I was a kid my parents would have never let me, they guarded the PC well.

That said if kids have parents that don't care, it's probably going to be pretty easy to get online and gamble. Parents are the key.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 19, 2023, 04:11:41 PM

Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
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because every system in the casino is made by humans, there is no such thing as perfect, so gambling sites often have difficulty detecting whether those playing on their sites are adults or children, even though the gambling sites already require KYC because now there are many ways to manipulate KYC.

based on what I know, even in countries where gambling is legal, when casinos get a license they must obey the rules set and allowing minors to gamble is a serious violation so you must report to the authorities if you find minors gambling.

This is the problem with online casinos, which is a little difficult to distinguish whether these customers are adults or minors because it is true, as some people have said here, if currently minors are gambling and filling out KYC, they can manipulate using other people's data or buy data from other people for all reasons.
So that the casino only believes if the customer is an adult but everything will be seen when an underage customer gets a big win that requires filling out the next level of KYC so that these minors will have no way to prove the authenticity of the data.
So from this problem the casino system may not be able to distinguish adult or underage customers but when the time is right everything will be found out and the risk is that the account is banned.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

I can't see how an online site would know unless like you said there was some sort of kyc requirements being met. In terms of "what could happen" unsure but I know there are some decent sized penalties to brick and morter casinos if they knowingly allow underage kids gamble at theor facility. Reining in all of this is the difficult part and the folks in charge of that probably have bigger fish to fry than to run down that rabbit hole would be my guess.

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But how can parents be careful in the digital age when the sign up is just pushing a few buttons, using some fake data to register and deposit some cryptocurrency to gamble? This isn't only a problem of gambling, but porn as well. If a ten year old with a mobile phone wants to watch hardcore porn, it takes only a few moments to get there. The supervision that parents are often asked to do properly is impossible unless you install all kinds of blocks and limits on the phones I guess. But even apps like Tiktok are dangerous because I can't even remember how often I read some headline that a kid died from copying some shit from Tiktok.

We can talk about the legal age per country and what would make sense until when young people should refrain from gambling, but it all comes down to a case by case basis. There are some 18 year old who should not be allowed to drive. I remember when some got their licenses and I thought holy shit. But then there are others who are very careful and respecting traffic rules, so why not let them drive. It is the same with gambling. Some can handle the temptation very well or they don't even feel any temptation to exaggerate their gambling habits, while others develop an addiction.

I do understand your worry, trust me. The internet has both positive and negative aspects. It's a treasure trove of information one minute and a Pandora's box of adult material the next. That's a bitter truth, but one that we must accept.

Setting up parental controls is a good beginning step, but it won't solve the problem entirely. In today's modern world, children have become rather tech savvy. Kids will figure out a method to get past any problem. A cat-and-mouse game, to be sure!

The safest option? Free exchanges of ideas! Do we hear something simple? And maybe a little giddy, but it does the trick! Discuss your past actions, even if they were unsuccessful. Justify the harm and inappropriateness of some actions. Remind them that the repercussions for acting out in real life are much more severe than in a TikTok video. Keeping your eyes open is the first step.

I agree and this is why I believe that all these minimum age discussions aren't very productive. It doesn't matter whether you slap a sticker on something which is telling the people when they are allowed to use it, do it, consume it, or whatever. As you said, the best way is to get across the message that no action goes without consequences. But we all have been young and we all know that too often the only way to find out is try something out yourself. Access and availability are a big problem and could only be effectively countered with education and, to some degree, strict controls.

The overall trend to everything becoming mobile makes it infinitely harder to enforce effective controls. We talk about minimum age for gambling, but all those gambling platforms are represented on the jerseys that all the kids can buy even at kindergarten age. Instead of taking about a minimum age for gambling, it might be more effective to limit the huge number of contact with gambling platforms. Youtube ads, any ads on the Internet, all the clubs now being sponsored by gambling platforms, it's everywhere.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
...

because every system in the casino is made by humans, there is no such thing as perfect, so gambling sites often have difficulty detecting whether those playing on their sites are adults or children, even though the gambling sites already require KYC because now there are many ways to manipulate KYC.

based on what I know, even in countries where gambling is legal, when casinos get a license they must obey the rules set and allowing minors to gamble is a serious violation so you must report to the authorities if you find minors gambling.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on July 18, 2023, 06:22:42 PM

maturity of the person sometimes depend on how he live his life. but of course, casinos are just making a general approach on this matter. so they are stating that you should be 18 years old and above before you can play. and that because they are following also the protocol of their jurisdiction. this may vary from country to country. but we usually see the age to be at 18 years old as the cut-off on this minimum age.

Yep, besides educational background and the support from parents, how someone lives will determine the maturity. His neighborhood also contributes for the maturity of someone. Since there are many factors, it is quite difficult to determine the maturity of someone. However, the approach of the casinos are good enough, 18 years old should be the age that someone is mature enough. Someone is already in the university when he is 18 years old.

Indeed, the policy of the minimum age of a gambler can be different among the countries in the world. It depends on how the governments view the ideal age for someone that can be considered mature enough to join gambling. However, in many countries, it is true that 18 years old is mostly the minimum age.

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I believe that the minimum age for gambling should be 18, or at least not below 18. I've noticed many young gamblers in my country who secretly use their parents' money for gambling without their knowledge. It should be prohibited but they still engage in it and end up losing a huge amount of money. Instead, they could use that money for something beneficial.

When people are over 20, they tend to be more mature and better equipped to control themselves when compared to underage gamblers who have little understanding of how gambling works.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2023, 03:19:33 AM

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Better? Come on. In most states kids at 18 can buy guns and most even assault rifles, and in past kids were allowed to get guns and use them in shooting range from 14, and now it turns that they can jerk off slots only from 21 Cheesy

And for example, in Alaska (there are other states) if you are 16, you can take your dad or other guardian, go to gun store and buy a gun. Yet this kid is not allowed to go to casino and have some fun spending his piggy bank money in blackjack. Amazing.

This definitely depends on where the gambler is living, for EU or western countries kids can buy guns without any good reason. But for people who're live in Asian or African countries, they're not allowed to buy guns except you're police or you have a good reason to buy it.

Although each country has their own rule, but I think most of people are matured when they're already 21 years old.

I am Asian, and indeed we have quite strict prohibitions, especially in my country, let alone talking about weapons and gambling, I agree that it depends on the regulations in each country and of course also adjusts to their culture. Age 18 is still too unstable in thinking and decide what actions and what is instilled at that age will affect him into old age and that is a bad decision for the nation's regeneration for the future, 21 years is the best option as a minimum threshold to enter the world of gambling because I agree with you that at the age of 21 humans can more or less have awareness and self-control and judge things with a fairly mature mind.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

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If the relevant website is still within their territory, then of course the website will get punished if it is proven to be in violation. But apart from that i personally don't fully believe they will obey all the rules because after all, even though they have made rules such as age limits to start gambling but in reality children are already practicing gambling. Indeed, the practice of gambling for children is mostly unconscious and may be limited to games. But if the game is like pitting your luck on darts or perhaps, by making a choice then clearly, it is a type of gambling that has been introduced to children.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on July 18, 2023, 12:23:56 AM

18 year old limit is probably good enough to apply as 18 year old person would at least understand he/themself is the reason he lost and its not the end of the world. I think gambling addiction itself is bit too exeggarated because its one of the most visible ones. Addictions are always bad. Its good to educate kids and make them at least wait for 18-20 ages so they can freely enjoy gambling with properly knowing how bad addiction is.

Indeed. That's why in most casinos, the minimum age to gamble is 18 years old. When someone is already 18 years old, we can assume he is mature enough and has good mentality. But in certain casinos, the age limit can be 20 years old, it is because they are not sure if 18 years old is mature enough. Whatever the age limit, I agree that 18-20 ages are the ideal age limit for someone to play in a casino. We can't make sure 100% that someone is mature enough at a certain age. However, commonly someone should be mature enough when they are already 18 years old.

maturity of the person sometimes depend on how he live his life. but of course, casinos are just making a general approach on this matter. so they are stating that you should be 18 years old and above before you can play. and that because they are following also the protocol of their jurisdiction. this may vary from country to country. but we usually see the age to be at 18 years old as the cut-off on this minimum age.

Medically speaking now, maturity does not necessarily depend on how someone have lived their live, the brain as we know it keeps developing over the years as someone is living and growing up, someone might appear mature but the brain is what is really being looked at, a young brain might not be able to make the best decision under severe stress from gambling loses, and from medically research, it is generally believed that at the age of 18 and above, the brain is matured enough and the person is already legally responsible for most of the decisions he or she makes.
This is why 18 of age and above is the generally accepted age for person to start gambling if he or she have the interest.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2023, 03:19:33 AM

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Better? Come on. In most states kids at 18 can buy guns and most even assault rifles, and in past kids were allowed to get guns and use them in shooting range from 14, and now it turns that they can jerk off slots only from 21 Cheesy

And for example, in Alaska (there are other states) if you are 16, you can take your dad or other guardian, go to gun store and buy a gun. Yet this kid is not allowed to go to casino and have some fun spending his piggy bank money in blackjack. Amazing.

This definitely depends on where the gambler is living, for EU or western countries kids can buy guns without any good reason. But for people who're live in Asian or African countries, they're not allowed to buy guns except you're police or you have a good reason to buy it.

Although each country has their own rule, but I think most of people are matured when they're already 21 years old.

In most countries in Asia, it's a lot harder to acquire and buy a gun legally because it is easier to acquire it illegally where papers aren't needed that is why it comes with a much cheaper tag price but the trouble is, you don't know where it came from or if that specific gun was used recently from a crime that is why they want to sell it.

Anyway, back to the topic, it is really odd to think that most western countries are much more strict when it comes to age restriction in casinos but if it's about buying a gun where it's more dangerous, any random kid can purchase it.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on July 18, 2023, 12:23:56 AM

18 year old limit is probably good enough to apply as 18 year old person would at least understand he/themself is the reason he lost and its not the end of the world. I think gambling addiction itself is bit too exeggarated because its one of the most visible ones. Addictions are always bad. Its good to educate kids and make them at least wait for 18-20 ages so they can freely enjoy gambling with properly knowing how bad addiction is.

18 years is basically a person's adulthood in government law. But since I'm not a psychologist, I can't say at what age a person basically acquires the ability to think well. No matter what age a person is, everyone is very weak in financial matters and that's why greed can overwhelm a person very quickly. and because of greed, everyone becomes desperate to gamble. and kids also don't hesitate to gamble now. And kids get chance to gamble because all the parents are now busy with their own work due to which they fail to take care of the kids and due to this children are going in gambling ways day by day.

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Quote from: knowngunman on July 19, 2023, 04:39:14 AM

Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2023, 03:19:33 AM

This definitely depends on where the gambler is living, for EU or western countries kids can buy guns without any good reason. But for people who're live in Asian or African countries, they're not allowed to buy guns except you're police or you have a good reason to buy it.

Although each country has their own rule, but I think most of people are matured when they're already 21 years old.

I don't know why I am finding this hard to comprehend. Kids buying gun without any good reason? Does this mean gun has no regulation in such western countries? I know the law guiding the possession of firearm vary from state to state but I don't think any country will allow kids to buy gun for no reason. Even adults undergo certain protocol before being allow to buy one. Here in my country, gun is not something you can buy/sell like groceries. A seller must be fully registered and licensed by the authority. Besides, you can not easily get such information because there's no established center for it buying and selling.

As this topic and first post of it was US related, check out how easy it is to buy a gun in US - https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/how-to-buy-a-gun/. All you need is to be 18, bring drivers license, fill the form and wait. This is identical to passing KYC for gambling. You are also providing a photo and being checked in some data bases. And that is it. Same 18 yo kid is able to buy a gun and to gamble. But the consequences of unappropriated behaviour and penalty are different.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2023, 03:19:33 AM

This definitely depends on where the gambler is living, for EU or western countries kids can buy guns without any good reason. But for people who're live in Asian or African countries, they're not allowed to buy guns except you're police or you have a good reason to buy it.

Although each country has their own rule, but I think most of people are matured when they're already 21 years old.

I don't know why I am finding this hard to comprehend. Kids buying gun without any good reason? Does this mean gun has no regulation in such western countries? I know the law guiding the possession of firearm vary from state to state but I don't think any country will allow kids to buy gun for no reason. Even adults undergo certain protocol before being allow to buy one. Here in my country, gun is not something you can buy/sell like groceries. A seller must be fully registered and licensed by the authority. Besides, you can not easily get such information because there's no established center for it buying and selling.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on July 19, 2023, 03:19:33 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 19, 2023, 02:59:37 AM

Better? Come on. In most states kids at 18 can buy guns and most even assault rifles, and in past kids were allowed to get guns and use them in shooting range from 14, and now it turns that they can jerk off slots only from 21 Cheesy

And for example, in Alaska (there are other states) if you are 16, you can take your dad or other guardian, go to gun store and buy a gun. Yet this kid is not allowed to go to casino and have some fun spending his piggy bank money in blackjack. Amazing.

This definitely depends on where the gambler is living, for EU or western countries kids can buy guns without any good reason. But for people who're live in Asian or African countries, they're not allowed to buy guns except you're police or you have a good reason to buy it.

Although each country has their own rule, but I think most of people are matured when they're already 21 years old.

I've commented on US gambling age case. They have strange priorities. They can get guns, drive cars at the age earlier than they can gamble. For me, most important thing in the world is human's life. Do you remember many cases when people died due to gambling? And I believe you've heard when young kids started shooting or committed accidents on the road. I see nothing bad if kids aged less than 18 gamble (with their own money), but I would review minimum age when they can get guns or get drivers license.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 19, 2023, 02:59:37 AM

Better? Come on. In most states kids at 18 can buy guns and most even assault rifles, and in past kids were allowed to get guns and use them in shooting range from 14, and now it turns that they can jerk off slots only from 21 Cheesy

And for example, in Alaska (there are other states) if you are 16, you can take your dad or other guardian, go to gun store and buy a gun. Yet this kid is not allowed to go to casino and have some fun spending his piggy bank money in blackjack. Amazing.

This definitely depends on where the gambler is living, for EU or western countries kids can buy guns without any good reason. But for people who're live in Asian or African countries, they're not allowed to buy guns except you're police or you have a good reason to buy it.

Although each country has their own rule, but I think most of people are matured when they're already 21 years old.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

It seems like a lot of places in the USA are starting to open up when it comes to gambling and sports betting. They see that it brings in a lot of tax revenue to places like Vegas and people are going to find ways to do it online regardless. As long as the tools are there to identify people who have a problem and give them the ability to exclude themselves, then the ages seem fair - maybe 21 is better than 18 in terms of maturity and life experience which may protect people from spending their money on gambling and feeling remorse.

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Quote from: peter0425 on July 19, 2023, 01:20:43 AM

at least more states looking for 21 years old before being legal to gamble and that is much better than most countries that only asks for 18 years old in which for me still not that completely aware of life and may fool around to become addicted in gambling.
I wish that this is truly implemented and not just a use to make gambling sounds good but many are not bringing this to reality.

Better? Come on. In most states kids at 18 can buy guns and most even assault rifles, and in past kids were allowed to get guns and use them in shooting range from 14, and now it turns that they can jerk off slots only from 21 Cheesy

And for example, in Alaska (there are other states) if you are 16, you can take your dad or other guardian, go to gun store and buy a gun. Yet this kid is not allowed to go to casino and have some fun spending his piggy bank money in blackjack. Amazing.

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Quote from: peter0425 on July 19, 2023, 01:20:43 AM

Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

at least more states looking for 21 years old before being legal to gamble and that is much better than most countries that only asks for 18 years old in which for me still not that completely aware of life and may fool around to become addicted in gambling.
I wish that this is truly implemented and not just a use to make gambling sounds good but many are not bringing this to reality.

I've ever known that the minimum legal age that one could do most adult things is 18 years of age, and the authorities in the US must know what they are doing which explains why they added an extra 3 years to it in most states. Even many people that are well over adulthood have challenges with gambling addicts as they couldn't control themselves in some cases not to talk of those teenagers that are just entering adulthood.

With regards to if they can adhere to this, you should know that this is not the situation in most cases. The parents, children and betting companies/agents they are dealing with are all guilty of this. Any of them with good stature could get the service easily, while in other cases, a visibly underage would bet without any question asked. While some parents would even send their underage children to access the service for them.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 03:28:18 PM

at least more states looking for 21 years old before being legal to gamble and that is much better than most countries that only asks for 18 years old in which for me still not that completely aware of life and may fool around to become addicted in gambling.
I wish that this is truly implemented and not just a use to make gambling sounds good but many are not bringing this to reality.

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