Topic: Mining Equipment Manufacturers - page 6. (Read 55638 times)

If you were waiting for the Dec. pricing to buy from KnCMiner they are ready.

You're sure it's for the old blade?  I got an email recently that said people buying from 11-20 at a time pay 3.5-3.9btc Or maybe the 3.5 was for buying 20+
I see that Canary is selling them for 4, though so I'll change my table.

-edit BTW thanks for the tip, I didn't realize the USB was priced and shipping

here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-batch-2324-105-btc-usb-4-btc-new-blade-miners-283458

3.9 was for old blade, this is new blade (no over-clock, and USB connection)

I changed it to 3.9 BTC yesterday, but it's not really a reasonable price unless you are a reseller buying them for yourself.  Wasn't too excited about posting it since they were sold out to investors before public had a chance.
Where did you see the price on the Satoshi Sticks?  I see it quoted on the forum, but I can't actually find anyone saying that they will sell them at this price.

AM?  Many of their products may not ROI, but at least they are shipping.  Considering the field they are playing in I don't understand.

Would be better placed in the scam subforum.
 

Asicminer's new blade is 10.7GH/s and sells for 4BTC
Also, old USB miners are selling for 0.18BTC. Please update your chart, thanks

I think of it like forced long-term savings.  Because buying and holding seems like an easy way to win when you look back at the past year, but in reality plenty of people actually managed to lose money during this time.  Call it greed I guess.  
I find trading more effective, but at the same time it doesn't quite have the same fun factor / geek appeal.  I think there's a lot of hobbyist appeal in mining even when people are hoping to make a few bucks.  I guess that's why people overpay for miners (the only issue I have with them pretty much).

Don't lose hope!  We're in the middle of the biggest shake up in mining history.  Soon there will be cutting edge chips with all the research done flowing cheaply into the market.  We'll get one last big blow-out as small time miners, and I'm really looking forward to it.
Maybe the tech will shift now and then, allowing for us little ones to jump in for a little while, but Satoshi saw from the beginning that this would happen:

Only people trying to create new coins would need to run
network nodes.  At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the
network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to
specialists with server farms of specialized hardware.

I just want to push this as far out into the future as possible!

Yes, this table makes me depressed with my current hardware investments.

I honestly wish I would have never ran group buys for mining hardware. If difficulty continues to go up like it is, it is looking like almost every mining equipment investment I have made has negative ROI.  

It was never my intention to host group buys for hardware in which investors lose money. FML & screw the mining manufacturers which are basically well played scams thus far.

Though remember, if you buy a miner the price of bitcoin isn't what is important.  You have to make at least as much back as you put in for it to be an equal deal, or you may as well have bought bitcoin in the beginning.

If you buy a miner that makes you 5BTC but you paid 6BTC whether a bitcoin is selling for $100 or 1000$ you've still lost a bitcoin by not just buying and holding.

the numbers doesn't look very promising :/ I hope the BTC prices go up soon

I totally agree.  When I first started this table it looked like there was a possibility of a piece of equipment lasting a year, so I set it for 1 year ROI with updates each block.  I think that going to daily increase and a 4-6 month ROI is starting to look like a better idea.  In fact I have someone that gave me some great data to be able to make the switch, I just need to take a day and update my spreadsheet.
The new system will be something like 6 month return with columns: 1% 1.5% 2% 2.5% 3% 
The daily growth percentage may need to be a little higher to account for the end of the year and first quarter of the next, though. 

One thing you did not mention is that each increase is from a running average (prob not the best word) of the actual increase.  Once a difficulty increase has happened, even if the rate froze at that level, you'd still have a fairly good sized increase just to catch up.

Thank you for such an awesome site!

A suggestion: currently the middle column (the one you are sorting by) is for 17% periodical difficulty increase.  This corresponds to 11.97-day difficulty change period, which corresponds to constant daily network growth of (1.17^1/11.97-1)x100% = 1.32%.

Now if we look at two last graphs at http://bitcoin.sipa.be, we may notice that during the last month the daily growth not only exceeded 1.3%, but even kept above 2% most of the time, which would correspond to 25%.  Actually, 14-day average growth has been significantly above 2% for 3 weeks in a row already.

True, such high growth rates have not been seen since 2011, but given current situation in the mining market it is very likely that this growth will persist for some time.  I mean, Asicminer is preparing to add few hundred TH in September, Bitfury and Avalon keep producing and delivering chips, Avalon-based DIY solutions have only just started to appear en-masse, and there are these numerous new players preparing to join in September and October.  Doesn't it look like the real massacre fun mostly is only about to start.  Predicting 25% through the next few periods is not exaggerated, it's conservative!  I would predict 30+, but I may be biased.

So, I would suggest setting the middle column to 25% (maybe at least to 20%) and even more importantly, setting the right column to at least 40%.  Thank you for considering this!

Yes, thanks for the tip.



I posted as February because their page says January-February as the expected shipping date.  If they ship at the very beginning of January it's still halfway through the month before the vast majority of people get theirs.  Since they are saying January-February it looks more likely that shipping would begin mid January if their time frame persists.  
Receiving at the beginning of February with a 19% rise per block gives negative ROI.  If growth slows early in the first quarter there is still a chance at ROI, but it's tight.

Hoping BFL releases a product on time is like hoping Ron Paul will win the next presidential election. It would be nice, but it's not going to happen.

I hope bfl gets this product out on time -  Otherwise there credibility will sink even lower
also from should be US not SE


Thanks for all your hard work this table is very usefull

Ok you're right, they say it's sold out until Jan/Feb.

Posted result for February.  You can see on the individual BFL page that if you do manage to get this at the beginning of January it will double the output.

Bump for one of the greatest threads on the forums.

Thanks again FCTaiChi!