I want to implement realtime chat (view only for all and wirting only for logged users)
Slack is separate website.
IRC hmm also separate, any thoughts what should i implement ?
Anybody know something free and good to webchating with multiple users ?
Opensource would be best, also must be in ajax (realtime updates).
Topic: [Mining OS] SimpleMining.net - Manage Your GPU farm the easy way! (30 days free) - page 512. (Read 835786 times)
March 13, 2017, 05:24:09 PM
March 13, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
Hey this is a time saver for anyone that chooses to not flash a card.
It also saves you money as you can buy any card with a stock bios and use this.
here is a 8gb rx 480 card new for 200 bucks free shipping to the usa.
http://www.diamondmultimediastore.com/index.php?route=checkout/cart
leave the bios alone set smOS to:
1100
1900 or 2000
1 or 2 or 3
no time wasted for setup
no need to develop a bios.
card price is good 199.99
so while anyone that was making out with flashing bios building bios selling bios
they still can do this.
but the guy with a pair of six card rigs with 3 or 4 different cards this is a game changer.
for me I would need a bios for the:
panda miner rx 480 4gb ---- 8 cards
the msi rx 480 8gb ---- 8 cards
the msi rx 470 8gb ---- 2 cards
the asus rx 480 4gb ---------- 5 cards
the asus rx 480 8gb ---------- 3 cards
I now need none of the above and simply pay a fee to smOS
best of all if I choose to expand I simply find any good deal on any rx 480 8gb like the 200 diamond multimedia that I linked to.
I have been able to tweak th panda miner's 6th gpu and get it to work at settings of 1145 2000 1
so now every gpu is stable at setting 1
gpu 6 is weird I will continue to look at it
It also saves you money as you can buy any card with a stock bios and use this.
here is a 8gb rx 480 card new for 200 bucks free shipping to the usa.
http://www.diamondmultimediastore.com/index.php?route=checkout/cart
leave the bios alone set smOS to:
1100
1900 or 2000
1 or 2 or 3
no time wasted for setup
no need to develop a bios.
card price is good 199.99
so while anyone that was making out with flashing bios building bios selling bios
they still can do this.
but the guy with a pair of six card rigs with 3 or 4 different cards this is a game changer.
for me I would need a bios for the:
panda miner rx 480 4gb ---- 8 cards
the msi rx 480 8gb ---- 8 cards
the msi rx 470 8gb ---- 2 cards
the asus rx 480 4gb ---------- 5 cards
the asus rx 480 8gb ---------- 3 cards
I now need none of the above and simply pay a fee to smOS
best of all if I choose to expand I simply find any good deal on any rx 480 8gb like the 200 diamond multimedia that I linked to.
I have been able to tweak th panda miner's 6th gpu and get it to work at settings of 1145 2000 1
so now every gpu is stable at setting 1
gpu 6 is weird I will continue to look at it
March 13, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
Just to be completely clear here.
Before others start to fly and think they can undervolt..
0 - 7 are the DPM stages for the core clock.
You don't undervolt, you just set your core differently on a specific dpm stage.
As an example.
Open up polarisbioseditor, you'll see that there are 8 stages for the core clock. 0 -> 7
As you can see here, on the left you have the preset core clock settings and on the right you have the voltage settings.
300Mh being the only one with a preset voltage offset.
The other 7 will be auto calculated by the GPU. (By adding Global VDDC Offset in the rom, this can be manipulated).
What happens here isn't really "Undervolting", the only thing that does happen is that driverwise the core clock of a specific dpm stage is being modified, therfore the voltage remains the same as it was previously on that specific dpm stage.
So you are basically forcing a specific core clock to run on a specific voltage.
It's like this example:
Which is
1. Definitely not stable in most cases as it's not being autocalculated anymore.
2. Not how it "should" be.
It's a way, i'm pretty sure it'll work okish, but i'm also very sure, if you start messing around to much, your gpu's will fail.
That's the difference between forcing voltage or adding a global vddc offset in the rom where the voltage controller starts calculating from a lower voltage offset.
Just to be very clear here, it is "not" possible to really "undervolt". This can only be achieved in the rom itself.
Oh and for the Fans, or better, the haters, i'm not bashing anything here, i'm just writing down facts.
Greetings!
Before others start to fly and think they can undervolt..
0 - 7 are the DPM stages for the core clock.
You don't undervolt, you just set your core differently on a specific dpm stage.
As an example.
Open up polarisbioseditor, you'll see that there are 8 stages for the core clock. 0 -> 7
As you can see here, on the left you have the preset core clock settings and on the right you have the voltage settings.
300Mh being the only one with a preset voltage offset.
The other 7 will be auto calculated by the GPU. (By adding Global VDDC Offset in the rom, this can be manipulated).
What happens here isn't really "Undervolting", the only thing that does happen is that driverwise the core clock of a specific dpm stage is being modified, therfore the voltage remains the same as it was previously on that specific dpm stage.
So you are basically forcing a specific core clock to run on a specific voltage.
It's like this example:
Which is
1. Definitely not stable in most cases as it's not being autocalculated anymore.
2. Not how it "should" be.
It's a way, i'm pretty sure it'll work okish, but i'm also very sure, if you start messing around to much, your gpu's will fail.
That's the difference between forcing voltage or adding a global vddc offset in the rom where the voltage controller starts calculating from a lower voltage offset.
Just to be very clear here, it is "not" possible to really "undervolt". This can only be achieved in the rom itself.
Oh and for the Fans, or better, the haters, i'm not bashing anything here, i'm just writing down facts.
Greetings!
Great explanation man.
As i understand, we can change the offset by polaris with these stages. We don't need to change these on hex editor.
March 13, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
Yep, Eliovp is right.
Its not the real "THE Unvervolting" but its just thing when gpu can use powerstage from for example 900MHz and overclock this stage to 1100MHz.
It works as undervolt, there are positive results but i also would not call this undervolt.
So i made corection, now its called "Powerstage"
Anyway it can do little more magic but still the full power is in custom bios.
Here is list what can be done with GPU bios using hex editor:
This can do anyone:
1a) overclock
1b) lowering powerstage in my OS
2a) simple copying timings form 1500 to higher values via PolarisBiosEditor
This can do only pro like Eliovp, wolf0 and few others:
3a) adding voltage offset (if its not present already)
3b) changing offset to lower and lower values (this is more less simple opreation)
2b) applying true custom timings (if you have the timings its simple, hard is to make those
)
Its not the real "THE Unvervolting" but its just thing when gpu can use powerstage from for example 900MHz and overclock this stage to 1100MHz.
It works as undervolt, there are positive results but i also would not call this undervolt.
So i made corection, now its called "Powerstage"
Anyway it can do little more magic but still the full power is in custom bios.
Here is list what can be done with GPU bios using hex editor:
This can do anyone:
1a) overclock
1b) lowering powerstage in my OS
2a) simple copying timings form 1500 to higher values via PolarisBiosEditor
This can do only pro like Eliovp, wolf0 and few others:
3a) adding voltage offset (if its not present already)
3b) changing offset to lower and lower values (this is more less simple opreation)
2b) applying true custom timings (if you have the timings its simple, hard is to make those
)just dump bios of card via atiflash in linux , move into win vm or pc , edit and reupload , not very hard to make
March 13, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
Yep, Eliovp is right.
Its not the real "THE Unvervolting" but its just thing when gpu can use powerstage from for example 900MHz and overclock this stage to 1100MHz.
It works as undervolt, there are positive results but i also would not call this undervolt.
So i made corection, now its called "Powerstage"
Anyway it can do little more magic but still the full power is in custom bios.
Here is list what can be done with GPU bios using hex editor:
This can do anyone:
1a) overclock
1b) lowering powerstage in my OS
2a) simple copying timings form 1500 to higher values via PolarisBiosEditor
This can do only pro like Eliovp, wolf0 and few others:
3a) adding voltage offset (if its not present already)
3b) changing offset to lower and lower values (this is more less simple opreation)
2b) applying true custom timings (if you have the timings its simple, hard is to make those)
Its not the real "THE Unvervolting" but its just thing when gpu can use powerstage from for example 900MHz and overclock this stage to 1100MHz.
It works as undervolt, there are positive results but i also would not call this undervolt.
So i made corection, now its called "Powerstage"
Anyway it can do little more magic but still the full power is in custom bios.
Here is list what can be done with GPU bios using hex editor:
This can do anyone:
1a) overclock
1b) lowering powerstage in my OS
2a) simple copying timings form 1500 to higher values via PolarisBiosEditor
This can do only pro like Eliovp, wolf0 and few others:
3a) adding voltage offset (if its not present already)
3b) changing offset to lower and lower values (this is more less simple opreation)
2b) applying true custom timings (if you have the timings its simple, hard is to make those
) March 13, 2017, 09:22:02 AM
Just to be completely clear here.
Before others start to fly and think they can undervolt..
0 - 7 are the DPM stages for the core clock.
You don't undervolt, you just set your core differently on a specific dpm stage.
As an example.
Open up polarisbioseditor, you'll see that there are 8 stages for the core clock. 0 -> 7
As you can see here, on the left you have the preset core clock settings and on the right you have the voltage settings.
300Mh being the only one with a preset voltage offset.
The other 7 will be auto calculated by the GPU. (By adding Global VDDC Offset in the rom, this can be manipulated).
What happens here isn't really "Undervolting", the only thing that does happen is that driverwise the core clock of a specific dpm stage is being modified, therfore the voltage remains the same as it was previously on that specific dpm stage.
So you are basically forcing a specific core clock to run on a specific voltage.
It's like this example:
Which is
1. Definitely not stable in most cases as it's not being autocalculated anymore.
2. Not how it "should" be.
It's a way, i'm pretty sure it'll work okish, but i'm also very sure, if you start messing around to much, your gpu's will fail.
That's the difference between forcing voltage or adding a global vddc offset in the rom where the voltage controller starts calculating from a lower voltage offset.
Just to be very clear here, it is "not" possible to really "undervolt". This can only be achieved in the rom itself.
Oh and for the Fans, or better, the haters, i'm not bashing anything here, i'm just writing down facts.
Greetings!
Before others start to fly and think they can undervolt..
0 - 7 are the DPM stages for the core clock.
You don't undervolt, you just set your core differently on a specific dpm stage.
As an example.
Open up polarisbioseditor, you'll see that there are 8 stages for the core clock. 0 -> 7
As you can see here, on the left you have the preset core clock settings and on the right you have the voltage settings.
300Mh being the only one with a preset voltage offset.
The other 7 will be auto calculated by the GPU. (By adding Global VDDC Offset in the rom, this can be manipulated).
What happens here isn't really "Undervolting", the only thing that does happen is that driverwise the core clock of a specific dpm stage is being modified, therfore the voltage remains the same as it was previously on that specific dpm stage.
So you are basically forcing a specific core clock to run on a specific voltage.
It's like this example:
Which is
1. Definitely not stable in most cases as it's not being autocalculated anymore.
2. Not how it "should" be.
It's a way, i'm pretty sure it'll work okish, but i'm also very sure, if you start messing around to much, your gpu's will fail.
That's the difference between forcing voltage or adding a global vddc offset in the rom where the voltage controller starts calculating from a lower voltage offset.
Just to be very clear here, it is "not" possible to really "undervolt". This can only be achieved in the rom itself.
Oh and for the Fans, or better, the haters, i'm not bashing anything here, i'm just writing down facts.
Greetings!
Okay I buy your explanation and here are my stock no bios flash cards set to 1
most people do not have my setup. but my setup is ideal for dual mining and using his new power setting.
check the boots I am stable for 2 hours
March 13, 2017, 08:51:00 AM
Just to be completely clear here.
Before others start to fly and think they can undervolt..
0 - 7 are the DPM stages for the core clock.
You don't undervolt, you just set your core differently on a specific dpm stage.
As an example.
Open up polarisbioseditor, you'll see that there are 8 stages for the core clock. 0 -> 7
As you can see here, on the left you have the preset core clock settings and on the right you have the voltage settings.
300Mh being the only one with a preset voltage offset.
The other 7 will be auto calculated by the GPU. (By adding Global VDDC Offset in the rom, this can be manipulated).
What happens here isn't really "Undervolting", the only thing that does happen is that driverwise the core clock of a specific dpm stage is being modified, therfore the voltage remains the same as it was previously on that specific dpm stage.
So you are basically forcing a specific core clock to run on a specific voltage.
It's like this example:
Which is
1. Definitely not stable in most cases as it's not being autocalculated anymore.
2. Not how it "should" be.
It's a way, i'm pretty sure it'll work okish, but i'm also very sure, if you start messing around to much, your gpu's will fail.
That's the difference between forcing voltage or adding a global vddc offset in the rom where the voltage controller starts calculating from a lower voltage offset.
Just to be very clear here, it is "not" possible to really "undervolt". This can only be achieved in the rom itself.
Oh and for the Fans, or better, the haters, i'm not bashing anything here, i'm just writing down facts.
Greetings!
Before others start to fly and think they can undervolt..
0 - 7 are the DPM stages for the core clock.
You don't undervolt, you just set your core differently on a specific dpm stage.
As an example.
Open up polarisbioseditor, you'll see that there are 8 stages for the core clock. 0 -> 7
As you can see here, on the left you have the preset core clock settings and on the right you have the voltage settings.
300Mh being the only one with a preset voltage offset.
The other 7 will be auto calculated by the GPU. (By adding Global VDDC Offset in the rom, this can be manipulated).
What happens here isn't really "Undervolting", the only thing that does happen is that driverwise the core clock of a specific dpm stage is being modified, therfore the voltage remains the same as it was previously on that specific dpm stage.
So you are basically forcing a specific core clock to run on a specific voltage.
It's like this example:
Which is
1. Definitely not stable in most cases as it's not being autocalculated anymore.
2. Not how it "should" be.
It's a way, i'm pretty sure it'll work okish, but i'm also very sure, if you start messing around to much, your gpu's will fail.
That's the difference between forcing voltage or adding a global vddc offset in the rom where the voltage controller starts calculating from a lower voltage offset.
Just to be very clear here, it is "not" possible to really "undervolt". This can only be achieved in the rom itself.
Oh and for the Fans, or better, the haters, i'm not bashing anything here, i'm just writing down facts.
Greetings!
March 13, 2017, 07:44:25 AM
FUCK ME, i did undervolt that accually works
And there was no such tool for undervolting only way was to make offset in custom bios and flash it.
This my idea is accually working loooool
And there was no such tool for undervolting only way was to make offset in custom bios and flash it.
This my idea is accually working loooool
yes you did.
It really works well if you have a setup like mine.
Stock bios
four card rigs with 2 cards
no risers
and i5 cpus.
So who would think that a biostar z170 board with an i5 6500t cpu and an evga p2 750 watt psu and only 2 rx 480 8gb cards is a good setup for mining?
Turns out to be really good for dual mining.. really good.
I will toss some more coin at you on Monday the 20th.
March 13, 2017, 07:35:23 AM
FUCK ME, i did undervolt that accually works
And there was no such tool for undervolting only way was to make offset in custom bios and flash it.
This my idea is accually working loooool
And there was no such tool for undervolting only way was to make offset in custom bios and flash it.
This my idea is accually working loooool
March 13, 2017, 07:31:11 AM
This is why I will pay for this smOS ------- No bios flash needed. --------- the stock bios allows strong settings for ETH+DECRED
I ran stable overnight with stock memory slight down clock of core and 2 undervolt power dropped from 17 amps to 16 amps
now testing under volt of 1 power dropped from 16 amps to 15 amps.
March 13, 2017, 07:14:22 AM
Update v1080:
- RX OS : fixed syntax in overclocking ( i broke this by fast fixing the thin in night).
Now writing
core: 1001,1002,1003,1004 will work
mem: 1901,1902 also will work, if you specify less numbers than gpus then last value from mem and last value from core will be used on remaining cards.
again example how this syntax will set cores:
GPU0 1001/1901
GPU1 1002/1902
GPU2 1003/1092
GPU3 1004/1092
GPU4 1004/1092
GPU5 1004/1092
- RX OS : fixed syntax in overclocking ( i broke this by fast fixing the thin in night
).Now writing
core: 1001,1002,1003,1004 will work
mem: 1901,1902 also will work, if you specify less numbers than gpus then last value from mem and last value from core will be used on remaining cards.
again example how this syntax will set cores:
GPU0 1001/1901
GPU1 1002/1902
GPU2 1003/1092
GPU3 1004/1092
GPU4 1004/1092
GPU5 1004/1092
March 13, 2017, 06:28:52 AM
I am a big fan of Eliovp's custom roms, using them for more than a year now.
I use 2 free ones (480lowenergyOK for RX480s and -100mV for Nanos) and 1 paid one (PandaOS) for my small farm.
In my test rigs, I am also running Eliovp's new Nano/Fury roms optimised for ZEC mining.
I am also a big fan of Tytanick's smOS and SRR - wonderful projects and I am very comfortable with product roadmap and how smOS is built from ground up with miners inputs.
As a small-farm miner, I am happy because I have all the tools I need to run the farm well without downtime and wastage, resulting in profitability, efficiency and savings.
Imagine if both of you have some good working arrangement and cooperation - it can further benefit the mining community greatly.
I use 2 free ones (480lowenergyOK for RX480s and -100mV for Nanos) and 1 paid one (PandaOS) for my small farm.
In my test rigs, I am also running Eliovp's new Nano/Fury roms optimised for ZEC mining.
I am also a big fan of Tytanick's smOS and SRR - wonderful projects and I am very comfortable with product roadmap and how smOS is built from ground up with miners inputs.
As a small-farm miner, I am happy because I have all the tools I need to run the farm well without downtime and wastage, resulting in profitability, efficiency and savings.
Imagine if both of you have some good working arrangement and cooperation - it can further benefit the mining community greatly.
March 13, 2017, 06:27:52 AM
Eliovp - Listen and would not you go nafig from this topic, trade with bios? Also, explain to him about the code ... what's your business? 
citronick - Sad but true - Eliovp it's huckster traders fighting in three skins ... For each BIOS on bitcoin...
citronick - Sad but true - Eliovp it's huckster traders fighting in three skins ... For each BIOS on bitcoin...
March 13, 2017, 06:12:06 AM
Update v1079:
- when booting R or RX OS you will see more output - this will help in case of problems for example no dhcp
- faster booting in some cases when prompt screen waits 30 seconds for selection (now its 3s)
- disabled sleep mode when screen in RX OS goes to black screen
- when booting R or RX OS you will see more output - this will help in case of problems for example no dhcp
- faster booting in some cases when prompt screen waits 30 seconds for selection (now its 3s)
- disabled sleep mode when screen in RX OS goes to black screen
March 13, 2017, 05:53:30 AM
Good no worries.
And yeah spending time and feeling like
It was wasted would piss me off.
So I spent about an hour fixing my rigs and when you asked for a roll back I got a bit cranky.
I am liking the smOS more every day.
And yeah spending time and feeling like
It was wasted would piss me off.
So I spent about an hour fixing my rigs and when you asked for a roll back I got a bit cranky.
I am liking the smOS more every day.
Why wouldn't you :p It's completely free..
a quote from someone else: "Albeit at someone elses mercy".
The funny thing someone just brought up to my attention.
The overclock part for RX cards is almost identical to what EthOS offers, what ethOS offers is custom code written by Sling00 to control amdgpu-pro.
Also, i noticed wolfamdctrl being in that code, also something that has been a part of EthOS, it "could" be that Tytanic bought Wolfamdctrl as well but i doubt it, why invest in something you will offer for free?..
Same goes for Atiflash, another thing that's not something you can find "so easily" on the net..
My point being, if you "use" stuff from other distro's, the least you can do is give credit to those who wrote the code in the first place.
Yeah, i know no one gives a shit, as long as you can use it for free ..
Greetings!
I paid him 0.031211 so far and plan to continue paying him. Even if I am the only person paying.
March 13, 2017, 05:45:03 AM
No, i dont steam anything from anyone, I even dont know how ethos worked becasue i never used it and looked in theyr scripts.
Only thing i saw is their dashboard thats it.
All scripts are 100% written by me, tool is bought from wolf and when i ask him if i should mantion that this tool is from him, he said "no need to mantion it".
Anyway i bought it and not copyied it.
Also what code is identical to mine ? meaby they copied sometring from me accually ?
Only thing i saw is their dashboard thats it.
All scripts are 100% written by me, tool is bought from wolf and when i ask him if i should mantion that this tool is from him, he said "no need to mantion it".
Anyway i bought it and not copyied it.
Also what code is identical to mine ? meaby they copied sometring from me accually ?
I highly doubt it
But it's ok, no need to keep defending yourself.
I'll say it again: I couldn't care less if you did, the only thing i would appreciate, is if it was, that you would leave some credit.
But it's all good.
March 13, 2017, 05:39:28 AM
No, i dont steam anything from anyone, I even dont know how ethos worked becasue i never used it and looked in theyr scripts.
Only thing i saw is their dashboard thats it.
All scripts are 100% written by me, tool is bought from wolf and when i ask him if i should mantion that this tool is from him, he said "no need to mantion it".
Anyway i bought it and not copyied it.
Also what code is identical to mine ? meaby they copied sometring from me accually ?
Only thing i saw is their dashboard thats it.
All scripts are 100% written by me, tool is bought from wolf and when i ask him if i should mantion that this tool is from him, he said "no need to mantion it".
Anyway i bought it and not copyied it.
Also what code is identical to mine ? meaby they copied sometring from me accually ?
March 13, 2017, 05:18:57 AM
My point being, if you "use" stuff from other distro's, the least you can do is give credit to those who wrote the code in the first place.
Yeah, i know no one gives a shit, as long as you can use it for free ..
Accually you are wrong. EthOS bought this utility from wolf and i also bought from wolf0 for 0.15 BTC and i rapped up with my scripts....Yeah, i know no one gives a shit, as long as you can use it for free ..
Anyway you could check md5sum of this tool, its different (anyway in older ethos version).
This is why i took so long to implement while ethos had it few months before me. I was negotiating with him and i also tryied to write own tool from beginning which i am capable of but i just didnt had time for this.
I never steal if thats what you mean....
Atiflash is free to use for everyone - see "tool" in attachments
Here is the link to public atiflash for linux: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97403
Any other thoughts ?
Nope, i'm just surprised that you bought it from wolf, that explains a lot.
I know Atiflash is free to use, i never said that it wasn't
Just looking at your code and comparing it to ethos's, looked almost identical.
I don't care, but if it was, i would have loved to see some credits for the ones who initally wrote it.
Oh also never said that you're a thief, i just know that in this world/scene a lot is being "borrowed"
Greetings!
March 13, 2017, 05:03:20 AM
My point being, if you "use" stuff from other distro's, the least you can do is give credit to those who wrote the code in the first place.
Yeah, i know no one gives a shit, as long as you can use it for free ..
Accually you are little wrong. Yeah, i know no one gives a shit, as long as you can use it for free ..
EthOS bought this utility from wolf and i also bought from wolf0 different version for 0.15 BTC and i rapped up with my scripts....
Anyway you could check md5sum of this tool, its different (anyway in older ethos version it was different).
This is why i took so long to implement while ethos had it few months before me. I was negotiating with him and i also tryied to write own tool from beginning which i am capable of but i just didnt had time for this.
Atiflash is free to use for everyone - see "tool" in attachments
Here is the link to public atiflash for linux: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97403
Free OS ? - its was free becasue it wasnt finished and accually i think many things are still missing.
It is still free ? Its only becasue i didnt had time to implement "fee" feature but its on top of my list now.
So soon it will be paid about 1$ per rig per month and ofcourse there will be free period for old users and also new users.
All clear ?
March 13, 2017, 04:27:01 AM
Good no worries.
And yeah spending time and feeling like
It was wasted would piss me off.
So I spent about an hour fixing my rigs and when you asked for a roll back I got a bit cranky.
I am liking the smOS more every day.
And yeah spending time and feeling like
It was wasted would piss me off.
So I spent about an hour fixing my rigs and when you asked for a roll back I got a bit cranky.
I am liking the smOS more every day.
Why wouldn't you :p It's completely free..
a quote from someone else: "Albeit at someone elses mercy".
The funny thing someone just brought up to my attention.
The overclock part for RX cards is almost identical to what EthOS offers, what ethOS offers is custom code written by Sling00 to control amdgpu-pro.
Also, i noticed wolfamdctrl being in that code, also something that has been a part of EthOS, it "could" be that Tytanic bought Wolfamdctrl as well but i doubt it, why invest in something you will offer for free?..
Same goes for Atiflash, another thing that's not something you can find "so easily" on the net..
My point being, if you "use" stuff from other distro's, the least you can do is give credit to those who wrote the code in the first place.
Yeah, i know no one gives a shit, as long as you can use it for free ..
Greetings!
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