Topic: [Mining OS] SimpleMining.net - Manage Your GPU farm the easy way! (30 days free) - page 530. (Read 835461 times)

10$ was just super crazy top end!
A one time fee doesn't really support the longevity of your os
If you want to be fair you have to charge per gpu
10 cents per gpu is more than fair starting point

Thats way i am asking for your opinion guys, to find the golden middle
Propably charging based on gpu quantity would be very good
For example 1 cent (0.01$) per GPU per day
That should be also easy to implement.
Also i think that on top of that there will be some other things like, paying more at once will give 20-30% bonus.
Or more than 10 rigs discounts.

Anyway, advertisement is very important.
If i will have much more miners like 10x more, then i could charge even LESS !
Base costs are big for me but adding more pwoer to server isnt too much big deal.
This is also why i didnt do the fee service until now. Still there is not a lot miners in my OS.


There is one already, its called claymore eth custom. You can set dected only mining there (i think so )


Right after i will add support for SRR to OS. So next 3 days i would say. But estimating here is bad. I can estimate and then emergency happen


Accually yes
I think that 10-20 guys confirmed that they want SRR.
But i really wanted to do something about it. I am still at strong minus in SRR development profits.
Meaby next 2-3 months will give me cash to pay those costs
Anyway i belive in that + there was 20 supporters that told me that i am not alone
Ofcourse SRR need also strong advertisement.




Yep. At the first i had doubts .... Some users treated me like a scam or bad guy who can anytime turn them rigs into botnet
That is true, i still can do it. But i cant do this differently if it needs to be simple.
But why wont i do it ?
As i said many times, i am honest guy (not many poeople in world i suppose).
Also now from SRR release people have access to my personal address and company also.
Still it would be sooo stupid to do that .....
Turning all rigs into botnet will work for how much ? 24h ?
Then all will go away.
Its still better to do service with small but continious profit.



Thx, those ideas are welcome
So there should be many fee models to suit for everyone.

Thx everyone for interest in my project.
I really need supporters like You guys !

P.S - also info for people that had me in Skype.
I created my skype account very long time ago for email like [email protected]
Recently du to pad password attempt it has been blocked
Anyway i cant get access to it becasue i had this really stupid (anti spam) email
So if anyone thinking why i am not responding on skype, this is reason

Hi Tytanick

Would it be possible to add a miner for Decred.

I experimented with smOS very early - I remember that time when many other members including me giving daily feedback on ETH mining - cleary Claymore was our favorite. Then we had the ZEC crazy days, back then with no good Linux miner in sight we eventually got zcashgpuclient/coinsforall.io and zogminer (anybody using them still?) - crazy days testing that I must have burnt so many GPU hash just to test them on smOS. At that time, I was seriously testing ethOS, smOS, PIMP and my own Ubuntu build. Then when better Linux ZEC miners came out like SilentArmy and Optiminer - then finally Claymore released Linux version - I made a few smOS thumbdrives for live rigs.  Again time to time, members including me will ask Tytanick to add specific miners (ie. wolf, boolberry, pascal miners, even my recent request for zawawa-gateless gate -- btw,  when is ETA?)

Why am I saying the above?

FACT: smOS was built to this stage with strong and active mining community support.
FACT: Developer need constant feedback and useful / in demand features

Same as SRR project, the idea and project is good -- without community support and demand -- it will probably wont be successful because you need confirmed demand from buyers to determine capacity. For example if only 10 people is confirmed want the SRR, would it be worth it to mass produce and develop SRR?

In the context of smOS, you had this idea since 2014. It was kind off re-introduced in mid-2016. I remember testing smOS and sharing it with many other members to try it out (that includes legendary members like philipma). At that point, given the frenzy in ETH, ZEC and XMR coins the need for something simple like smOS is very good idea. This I think, was the main attraction to smOS.

So my suggestions are the following:

METHOD:
Tiered flat rate one-time-fee for most users. A one time cost, including free upgrades to the latest software version.
 You can charge a different package for large farms.

Example:
a. 1-2 clients FREE TO TRY
b. 10 clients USD$50
c. 20 clients USD$100
d. 50 clients USD$200
e. 100 clients USD$400
f. 101 and above - Custom packaging.


Your development of smOS will probably also need to capture NVIDIA miners in future - if you want to charge by rigs or gpus monthly - it will be expensive for many, complicated to enforce and will introduce more questions. I believe if you do a flat rate fee you will get more customers and almost guaranteed to be the leading mining OS in the crypto mining world.

Just my honest feedback, comments and feedback welcomed - because our goal for smOS and to support Tytanick is for miners to adopt his OS and invest in his OS, easily and conveniently. A win-win for all parties.

Okay As I see it you have to charge money eventually.
I done lots of BTC and ALT coin promo  and sometimes I need to make money rathe then give away money.
Your miner os has value  and you set it up in a way you can monitor how many rigs  Someone is using.

For me to say  what you should  charge is rude. I know time and labor cost $$$.  You also run a server and of course an internet.

Your software is better then windows for me.  But  I am retired and could run windows.  I don't think I would be more then 10-15 rigs.     So is 2 bucks a rig per month   which is 6.667 cents a day too much for me.

Yes  because  it is per rig  and I built 4 card rigs.  

but 6 card rigs  or 8 card pandaminer rigs  $2.00 a month is not bad.

from your viewpoint a
1card
2card
3 card
4 card
5 card
6 card
7 card
8 card  may be equal in  terms of  using resources


but from a miners viewpoint  they all earn differently.

If I had 5 eight card pandaminers
They would earn the same as 11 four card msi rx 470 rigs.

I would not want to pay you  22 usd  for the  11 four card rigs and someone with 5 pandaminers pays you 10 usd.

We both have same hash rate and earn the same but one person pays 120 usd a year while the other pays 264 usd a year.

that is the miners viewpoint

the smOS viewpoint is one guy is using 11 spots for mining and the other is using 5 spots.

pleasing  the rig high card low guy  will be hard.

I am willing to pay fees.   But not that willing to get hurt because I did a lot of four card rigs.

I still feel that this service is absolutely perfect for advertisements. You could try that out, and if it isn't generating any revenue, then try a different direction.

It is strange to charge based on a rig. Some rigs are much more profitable than others.

I would like to pay and support your efforts, ordered 2 rig resetter but only needed one I like the idea of one time fee for using Simplemining OS. You should have a one time fee option in addition to monthly fee option for users. But it's entirely up to you.

God no...
10$ monthly?  Nooo.... 
Max is about 2~3 $ per rig with 5 or more gpus is enough.
At the beginning i will do 1~2$ per rig per month.

I do check to make sure it's making profit
I just don't chase after a penny. Like when xmr hit the roof I didn't move
I think anything over 10$ wouldn't be worth it 10$ is pushing it really. Don't get me wrong this is a great os and wouldn't mind paying for it
One 5 card rig 5$ per day on avg before power cost 5x30=150$ before power
With my power cost almost half is gone to power so 150/2=75$ -10$ for SM cost 65$ is what I have after 30days
So anything over 10$ would push me back to windows its free just have to manage updating miners

Resonable enough.
I understand you guys. Sometimes its better to use nicahash and just forget about rigs and checking what is more profitable

Little thinking after some beer
As i see and need to spend much more time on SimpleMining OS - i need to add this new feature finally - its calles fees
Faster i will add this - faster i will have real profit and i could spend much more time on SM OS.
I really have great ideas, full list on new features but only thing thats keeping me from it is debits that i need to pay every month to live.
So i spend most time on my normal work to earn for bankers. So faster i will implement fees, faster SM OS will be profitable for me and it will faster be developed.
And honestly ? I like this project. I wanted
Anyway i just wanted to say what are my goals for now:
- in first period (1-3 months) i will inform everyone about terms and i wont force anyway to pay for usage of my service
- if someone wont pay after 1-3 months period - i wont shut down his rig or do something bad it it - i would rather block possibility to change options or block some features....
- i think i will do fee calculations based on wach rig. (Meaby i will add later calculation based on gpu count)
- for example i will be taking at the beginning 0.03-0.1 $ daily for each powered on rig (recalculated to btc)
- there will be btc balance which will be shrinking every hour

I also thought about releasing my own crypto currency that would be needed to pay for my service.
Anyway i dont want own crypto as it needs more time to develop - which i dont have
Meaby ethereum ASET (like DAO) would be good idea ? What do you think about that ?
Or should i just stick to normal btc deposits ?
I like to know opinion from you guys ?

BTW. This project i had in ming in 2014
Here is the topic
Because there was no interest - i just did not maked then
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7865545

Been on sm since the release of rx support
Haven't left NH selling since the move over to SM
And not regretted once yet
Yeah sometimes I don't make the top dollar per hash
That would take to much time that I don't have to move miners blah blah

Ok

Thanks Tytanick for considering to add ZGG.

For Claymore, ESM (Ethereum Stratum Mode)=3 is the correct one to use for NH but this setting is required in ETH miner - not sure if this is applicable to XMR or ZEC.

Many of the Monero pools are getting more and more "unpredictable" in the way payouts are sent and calculations of actual hash at poolside.

At NH, it uses straight PPS and pays in BTC - meaning NH will take the risk and pays miners upfront for every shares submitted.

Sure NH is a bit higher on their charges but I think it evens out because:

1. Paid upfront - PPS reward system
2. Automatic payments in Bitcoins up to 4 times a day
3. Transparency - I know how many BTC will I received at what date and time.
4. No need to wait for unexchanged coins - you are paid in Bitcoins for every submitted share (avoid exchange charges for converting and transfer of BTC to your own wallet).

In conclusion, NH rental mining is a good alternative when profitability of coins is not attractive.

I think smOS will have more plus than minus, for having a complete list of miners and ability to mine on every known pure mining pools, and also rental mining like NH.

Yep, miners wont receive root as this is more safe.
Also fan speed is used by my custom scripts. So we dont want to make fight over fan speed between 2 of them
Dont worry about it.

About adding this gateless miner, i will look into it.
Also i will look into nicehash once again. Anyway claymore works with nicehahs but you need to adjust esm value.
Still i think that giving power to nicehash is TOTALLY UNPROFITABLE
Its better to mining any crypto and sell daily. I didnt checked last rates but when i was up to date last year, i saw that NH has always worse rates than mining directly.
See whattomine. Its like 5-7 % less profit ...

Sure.. won´t make SM worse  
"Nicehash" option will be a big +

In RX-os - I see frequent errors like this - it doesn't impact mining but are the temps correctly reported if miner doesn't have root access to change the temps settings?
I may have missed previous post if already reported ~ anyone have the same errors in console. Doesn't seem to be occurring in R-os.

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Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
ZEC: 02/17/17-10:17:35 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 2)
ZEC: Share accepted (306 ms)!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
Failed to set new fan speed, check if miner has root access!
GPU0 t=62C fan=27%, GPU1 t=63C fan=27%, GPU2 t=60C fan=27%, GPU3 t=69C fan=27%, GPU4 t=61C fan=27%, GPU5 t=59C fan=27%, GPU6 t=62C fan=27%, GPU7 t=62C fan=27%

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Currently none of the XMR miners can mine at Nicehash (getting 100% rejects).

The sgminer-gm NH v5.5.5-4 was suppose to fix Crytonight issues but still 100% rejects as per reported by users.

In forum thread NH say please get sgminer to fix; and in sgminer thread, they say please get NH to fix; ping-pong game they are playing there.

Claymore last Linux version is v9.1, the latest version is v9.7 but only for Windows.

This miner looks like only compatible with RX-OS and not R-OS as per your previous post - many miners out there have RX farms (480s and 470s especially).

The Zawawawa/GG (ETH/ZEC/XMR/PASC/FTC) is the only developer not in included in smOS list.

Mining ETH, ZEC and XMR continues to be a sad affair since profitability is going down.

The other profitable option is to SELL hash at Nicehash rental market.

In my opinion, getting Zawawawa-GG into smOS list of miners will make smOS even awesome - giving the most complete Linux mining system out there.

You can remove sgminer-gm NH v5.5.5-4 and include Z-GG to save storage space.

What say you Mr Tytanick?

I hope other miners reading this post can also support to include this miner.

Hi,
Tell me is there need for this miner as it hase 2 disadvantages ?
- much slower than claymore
- fglrx are not supported (it wont work in R OS )

Hi Tytanick,

Can you add another miner - called gateless gate (another sgminer-gm fork). See link below.
It supports AMD, NVIDIA and also has good reviews for being a multi-algo miner.
Please consider to add this urgently because profitability is shrinking for ZEC, and we need a more aggressive miner for ETH and XMR.

https://github.com/zawawawa/gatelessgate

Gateless Gate is a cross-platform OpenCL ZEC/ETH/XMR/PASC/FTC miner for video cards with the AMD GCN architecture and the NVIDIA Maxwell and Pascal architectures. It is a completely redesigned fork of Marc Bevand's SILENTARMY V5 with a significant speed boost combined with the well-tested user-interface and back-end of sgminer-gm. (This miner runs at around 223 sol/s on RX 480 and 163 sol/s on GTX 1060 3GB.) Although the current foci of development are Windows operating systems, you should be able to run on Linux without problems.

On 64-bit Windows operating systems, all you have to do for mining is to download the precompiled binary and edit and run one of the .BAT files. This miner has been tested against AMD Crimson Software 16.9.2 and NVIDIA Display Driver 376.33.

On Linux, you should be able to build the miner with the Makefile in the repository. Note that fglrx drivers are not supported and that you need RADEON PRO drivers. Please refer to the documentation of the original sgminer-gm for details.

Add WIFI adapters support!!! Pleeeeease!!!