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sr. member
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March 07, 2018, 08:13:25 PM
#34
As long as there are mineable coins, then mining is still worth. There are still numerous altcoins rising every month and if you know the value and potentials then you can start mining.The only way to make profit is to hold that coins and wait for the appreciated value. Electricity cost are part of the investment it is not part of the maintenance cost. So don't be a FUD if you mine coins and don't be a "hand-to-mouth" process to prevent losses, just hold it.
newbie
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March 07, 2018, 07:58:46 PM
#33
I think is not worth mining right now, unless you pay electricity costs by yourself with fiat and Hodl your coins for 2 years XD.

Only mine if you belive in cryptocurrencies.
legendary
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March 07, 2018, 07:48:41 PM
#32
Right now a gtx 1070($800) or a rx 580($450) will give you $1 per day per card, so basically if you buy a gtx 1070 now will be 800 days to roi and 450 days for the rx 580. Stay away from gpus.


It's not $1/day. It's a little under $2.

The worst are the 1080 which were meant for Equihash which has dropped in profitability faster than Dagger hash.
sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
March 07, 2018, 07:33:25 PM
#31
Right now a gtx 1070($800) or a rx 580($450) will give you $1 per day per card, so basically if you buy a gtx 1070 now will be 800 days to roi and 450 days for the rx 580. Stay away from gpus.
member
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March 07, 2018, 06:58:07 PM
#30
Dumped all (9) of my 1060 3GB cards for $280. Easy money. Paid $189 for them in 2017.

They served me well but it was time to move on. Probably the best investment I ever made.
legendary
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March 07, 2018, 06:22:11 PM
#29
All over Craigslist people are panic selling their 1070 and 1080 it seems.

Some are even below what the retailers are selling them for.

Basically a 450 day ROI is scary for most.
newbie
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March 07, 2018, 06:19:57 PM
#28
Definitely worth it - as long as you're in it for the long game afterwards assuming you're a gamer you have a solid 6 GPUs to play with or do double SLI combos, sell or donate to family. The computer knowledge and setup you gain from getting into it is worth more than the money IMO.

As long as you under-clock the TDP% power on your GPUs the electricity cost is well worth the profit you make per day. GPU prices rising has more to do with the memory shortage, but some retailers really do overcharge.

Some of the mineable coins - if you're not mining you'll really regret not getting into it. Might want to provide more details about 10 CPUs tho - are they mining Cryptonight or alt coins with GPUs? From all the info I've read and researched about overclocking CPUs that is def not profitable electricity/hash wise. Once you provide more details about your friends 10 rigs/comps or cpus a more detailed answer can be given.

ROI is def a few months to a year atm, but at the minimum with good buys I'd say its 1 year.
sr. member
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March 07, 2018, 06:06:14 PM
#27
Some contacts IRL i know from years ago are mining with 10 computers since last year, i said them it is not worth it nowadays but they still trust in the system.

I personally think 10 computers this days is not enough to make mining worth it as the price of electrycity in my country is high and mining consume a lot of it.

What do you guys think about it?

It does not matter if you had 1 or 10 competers. The only thing  matters - electricity costs. Mining of bitcoin and some  altcoins - profitable  now. It means you gain a bit more then spend. But. Buying new equipment now - is a totally mad decision.
Mining before was very profitable compared today which is getting harder and harder due to its difficulties.
Mining altcoins nowadays will take more and more years before you get your ROI, so as suggested it would be wise if you just let your miner works for you. Until you get your ROI, buying new equipment is not really recommendable because of your gaining percentage + the electricity costs.
legendary
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March 07, 2018, 06:05:56 PM
#26


My calculation is 12 months to recoup assuming no difficulty change and stable ETH price, with a 5x 1070 rig. I get free electricity, so maybe 14 months with that included.
I agree that GPU prices are frustrating, though.

The problem with that assumption is do you really believe that difficulty will not change and that the ETH price will remain stable for 12-14 months?

This is the problem of all those calculator sites in that for them to even work for predicting much more than a week out they rely on those two assumptions to hold true, when in fact the reality is often the exact opposite, or that difficulty will continue to rise and the coin price will not be stable, probably go down during the next 12 months. This is much akin to weather forecasting, where short-term 2-3 days they have a good track record, but expecting a forecast a few weeks out to match up with what they say it will be today is very unlikely.
newbie
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March 07, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
#25
These posts seem to crop up a lot for some reason, the answer is simple. If you already have equipment the answer is probably "yes," but you can easily check with a profit calculator (e.g. https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth)

The question of whether it will be profitable to buy equipment is more complicated, but not by much. Find hashrates for GPUs (or ASICs/whatever) from a site like: https://whattomine.com/
Use a profit calculator to see how long it will take to ROI, and decide whether you think the market will crash in that time.

For example, if you assume Ethereum will retain value for a year (and not switch to POS), it is currently profitable to set up new rigs.

Not exactly. Your will earn the cost of your ETH equipment in 2 years. If ETH price will the be same during next two years. But difficulty will be not for sure. So you will never recoup your costs buying new equipment now except case ETH price will quick rise. The main problem - video cards now cost twice they should cost. Or may be tripple.  Slow guys experienced problems with calculator dont realised yet.

My calculation is 12 months to recoup assuming no difficulty change and stable ETH price, with a 5x 1070 rig. I get free electricity, so maybe 14 months with that included.
I agree that GPU prices are frustrating, though.
jr. member
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March 07, 2018, 05:21:17 PM
#24
However, if you...have recent credit card hardware purchases to pay back, I think you may be in for a tough go of it.

hehe rekt
legendary
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March 07, 2018, 04:59:13 PM
#23
Mining may continue to be "profitable" but not by the same metric people have been using for the past 12-18 months.

Times have been good for anyone getting into mining for basically the past two years as rising coin prices have more than offset the accompanied increase in hash-rate and thus difficulty. Now, the good times in mining are finally coming to an end and we are going to be looking at digging in for at least 24-36 months to see any reasonable profitability return.

This is especially true for those looking to buy new mining hardware right now. If you have had your rigs for awhile and you already earned your investments back, you can weather the upcoming dry months a lot better than new investors, as your only consideration is if your mining profits is greater than your electrical costs. Those who need to earn an ROI on top of operating expenses will obviously have a tough time of it, especially as computer hardware is still selling at 200-300% above its MSRP.

To see what is coming you can simply pull up a BTC chart from approximately January 2014 to January 2017. It took BTC roughly 3 years to recover from its November 2013 high of over $1200 and I expect the market to play out similar to that time period. BTC, ETH, ZEC, BCASH and the others will thrash around for another 6 months, just as it took time for BTC to bottom out in the fall/winter of 2014. If this pattern repeats we are looking at 2021 before everything recovers to recent ATH levels.

So if you can tough it out for another 3 years, pay utilities (electricity) out of your own pocket and keep mining and holding, you may indeed make some hefty profits. However, if you are barely scraping by, have bills to pay, have high priced electricity, or the worst-case scenario have recent credit card hardware purchases to pay back, I think you may be in for a tough go of it.



I modified a chart to show one possibility in relation to BTC, although I think it can apply to the whole cryptospace in general. In red I labeled possible similarities to the 2014-2017 time period to try and help myself put one possible scenario into perspective. If the market does indeed play out this way, we will have a long wait before mining truly returns.
newbie
Activity: 112
Merit: 0
March 07, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
#22
These posts seem to crop up a lot for some reason, the answer is simple. If you already have equipment the answer is probably "yes," but you can easily check with a profit calculator (e.g. https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth)

The question of whether it will be profitable to buy equipment is more complicated, but not by much. Find hashrates for GPUs (or ASICs/whatever) from a site like: https://whattomine.com/
Use a profit calculator to see how long it will take to ROI, and decide whether you think the market will crash in that time.

For example, if you assume Ethereum will retain value for a year (and not switch to POS), it is currently profitable to set up new rigs.

Not exactly. Your will earn the cost of your ETH equipment in 2 years. If ETH price will the be same during next two years. But difficulty will be not for sure. So you will never recoup your costs buying new equipment now except case ETH price will quick rise. The main problem - video cards now cost twice they should cost. Or may be tripple.  Slow guys experienced problems with calculator dont realised yet.
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
March 07, 2018, 04:00:08 PM
#21
These posts seem to crop up a lot for some reason, the answer is simple. If you already have equipment the answer is probably "yes," but you can easily check with a profit calculator (e.g. https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth)

The question of whether it will be profitable to buy equipment is more complicated, but not by much. Find hashrates for GPUs (or ASICs/whatever) from a site like: https://whattomine.com/
Use a profit calculator to see how long it will take to ROI, and decide whether you think the market will crash in that time.

For example, if you assume Ethereum will retain value for a year (and not switch to POS), it is currently profitable to set up new rigs.
newbie
Activity: 112
Merit: 0
March 07, 2018, 03:37:59 PM
#20
Some contacts IRL i know from years ago are mining with 10 computers since last year, i said them it is not worth it nowadays but they still trust in the system.

I personally think 10 computers this days is not enough to make mining worth it as the price of electrycity in my country is high and mining consume a lot of it.

What do you guys think about it?

It does not matter if you had 1 or 10 competers. The only thing  matters - electricity costs. Mining of bitcoin and some  altcoins - profitable  now. It means you gain a bit more then spend. But. Buying new equipment now - is a totally mad decision.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 258
Small Time Miner, Rig Builder, Crypto Trader
March 07, 2018, 03:29:53 PM
#19
I don't know why people give this guy serious replies.  Lets start with the fact that his personal text advertises "renting" EU Paypal accounts.  Hilarious that he knows guys "in real life" mining with 10 computers, he tells them its not worth it but obviously has no clue, so he comes to the foum and asks.  The fact that he gives zero info about their setup shows he is clueless.

There is an old weight lifting saying me and my buddies go by "those  who say it cant be done shouldn't get in the way of  those who are getting it done."

If you gonna give me that kind of answers then GTFO man.

I am not into the mining thing, i am an investor rookie and interested more in investing and trading btc than in mining.

your not a miner huh, then what the fuck are you doing here asking that kind of question hmm? how about you GTFO man take that shit elsewhere. YOU are the one that asked a redundantly stupid question that is asked many many times per week by noobs like yourself. you have not a reason to get mad just cause you didn't get the answers you were looking for handed to you like a lazy ass
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 258
Small Time Miner, Rig Builder, Crypto Trader
March 07, 2018, 03:27:04 PM
#18
here some advice instead of coming on here asking is mining worth it still like some lazy fucking noob that didn't care to do some research, people like you post bullshit posts like this every single week and multiple times so much that its quite annoying, all your doing is spamming the forum with a useless thread when theres LOTS OF THEM ALREADY OUT THERE, if you had of done some research you wouldn't be coming on here like some idiot noob asking a really stupid question that you would have answered YOURSELF
sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
March 07, 2018, 03:06:03 PM
#17
Is only worth if you think your $0.10 cents coin per card per day will become a $1.00 coin per card per day in the future. Well your $0.10 cents coin per card per day can also become a $0.01 cent coin per card per day in the future. It works both ways, down or up.
newbie
Activity: 38
Merit: 0
March 07, 2018, 02:43:04 PM
#16
Mining, still worth it?

It depends, but is easy to do the math, just make an excel sheet, put the cost of the gpu's or asics hardware, electricity cost, monthly revenue, and you will have the answer. For someone with free or lowcost electricity will be more profitable than someone that is on a country where electricity is expensive, taxes are also something to take in account.

We need to take in account another key factor, the price of the coins, and no one knows what will happen in the future, maybe you mine, you hold the mined coins and these coins will have a value of 5x or 300x in one year from now o maybe the value will be something close to zero, who knows.

Until now the price of bitcoins just went up, and up, and up, but now bitcoin and other coins are facing some key decissions, first is the regulation, on some countries transactions in crypto are banned, in other places are accepted.

Still worth it?, there's no a clear answer, you need to know like any other investment if you can get an high return you will also need to accept high risk.

newbie
Activity: 77
Merit: 0
March 07, 2018, 11:33:44 AM
#15
I don't know why people give this guy serious replies.  Lets start with the fact that his personal text advertises "renting" EU Paypal accounts.  Hilarious that he knows guys "in real life" mining with 10 computers, he tells them its not worth it but obviously has no clue, so he comes to the foum and asks.  The fact that he gives zero info about their setup shows he is clueless.

There is an old weight lifting saying me and my buddies go by "those  who say it cant be done shouldn't get in the way of  those who are getting it done."

If you gonna give me that kind of answers then GTFO man.

I am not into the mining thing, i am an investor rookie and interested more in investing and trading btc than in mining.
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