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legendary
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Dump it!!!
So far only 4 popular games available but are there Any news on when the next game in line, Pyramid is going to be launched and become available to play?


legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
You don't really need to have a sportsbook to be competitive.

You can add multiple casino games instead of sportsbook until it comes to that, however eventually that is the big difference so even if you add like 10 casino games on mintdice, eventually you will have to add sportsbook so why not add it at first instead of trying to add it later on.

When mintdice first started I wasn't expecting this much attention, it wasn't anything special, sure it was a good website and a casino but I thought "well they are running a legit business without scamming anyone, that is at least something" and didn't realized how much important that is, people are really looking for decent websites that won't scam them so anything mintdice adds (casino, sportsbook, library, television shows, medical examination, usual stuff) all will be liked because we all trust the owner.
legendary
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At the end of the deal when the casinos work hard and make a name for themselves it is much easier to add sportsbook and create some sort of safe bubble. When a new sportsbook comes out I wouldn't know if I could trust them or not, I would have no idea what to do, however at the end of the day if a great casino like fortunejack/stake/mintdice adds sportsbook then at least I know there is a trust going on there, for example mintdice is a platform that I love and trust, so why would I risk playing somewhere else.
Sportsbook or not, it does not a serious matter. The truly serious matter is gambling is risky itself, and much more risky than trading or investing. You can hesitate to invest or trade but sometimes when a gambler falls in love with one game or more seriously get addicted with that game, that gambler will more easily to spend money to gamble. Uncontroled gambling mostly will cause broken-capital for gamblers.

I would prefer to use gambling, and sportbooks from old and reputable casinos, and most important thing is I don't spend too much money to gamble because I don't prepare for my serious losses with gamble. Gamble for fun and to relax and refresh my mind after long time of trading.
hero member
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We'll obviously try to make our sportsbook competitive. There's a few things that we have plans for but at the end of the day in this industry there are so many things that you can ultimately do relative to competitors.
Sportsbook is a totally game changer. There has been a lot of casinos adding sportsbooks these days, fortunejack for example is the first one that added sportsbook when they were just a casino. Now stake is working on adding as well. Mintdice as we heard from you guys from adding as well.

At the end of the deal when the casinos work hard and make a name for themselves it is much easier to add sportsbook and create some sort of safe bubble. When a new sportsbook comes out I wouldn't know if I could trust them or not, I would have no idea what to do, however at the end of the day if a great casino like fortunejack/stake/mintdice adds sportsbook then at least I know there is a trust going on there, for example mintdice is a platform that I love and trust, so why would I risk playing somewhere else.
hero member
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So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

A "provably fair" sportsbook is not a thing, that doesn't exist and can't exist.

The provably fair conversation only related to the games the operator offers, of which we'd only consider their poker client if we picked something at all.

We'll obviously try to make our sportsbook competitive. There's a few things that we have plans for but at the end of the day in this industry there are so many things that you can ultimately do relative to competitors.
legendary
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Sportsbook is basically "provably fair" in the sense that nobody really has any way to change the outcome but players, so the sportsbook doesn't have the control over the game and can't change anything so the game is provably fair unless players cheat which is really doubtful in the high leagues like premier league for example.

Poker however could still be done without provably fair and the request could be checked, I agree with skillsthatkills that poker is not big on crypto right now, there are less money going around even on pokerstars lately compared to 10 years ago when it was the biggest period for poker but right now it is even smaller for crypto so it doesn't really require any priority. Sportsbook would be much much better option because people have been doing that for a long time.
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So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

a new crypto sportsbook is always welcome
although I'm not sure why do you think there is no competition in this sector
there are dozens of sportsbooks out there and what do you mean by a  provably fair sportsbook?  Grin
sportsbooks do not generate random results , they simply provide odds
in any case , Stake is opening its own sportsbooks in a couple of weeks , I guess it is going to be one of them most popular crypto sportsbooks
Mintdice is planning to open one 2020 Q1-Q2 , lets see if they are competetive

The website was so smooth to use and it was very easy to use and to register I don't encounter any problem creating my account on the website I just pick a username and my email and it needed to validate, I validate it easily and I already have a working account. Also, the website elements have a lot of missing information in the front end as an I could make this website more elegant looking, the color palette use was great and the games included in the games work very smoothly.
legendary
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So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.

a new crypto sportsbook is always welcome
although I'm not sure why do you think there is no competition in this sector
there are dozens of sportsbooks out there and what do you mean by a  provably fair sportsbook?  Grin
sportsbooks do not generate random results , they simply provide odds
in any case , Stake is opening its own sportsbooks in a couple of weeks , I guess it is going to be one of them most popular crypto sportsbooks
Mintdice is planning to open one 2020 Q1-Q2 , lets see if they are competetive
hero member
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Temporary forum vacation

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley

Wow,,, now this would be huge news for me and for most of us in this forum. The way I see it, anyone who gambles on dice, probably gambled on sports first, at least when I see the status of my fellow friends in real life. Most of us bet on sports long before we ever tried casino games, long before BTC dice.

So that is a wise move since there is a lot of demand, and not enough competition in my opinion.

Hard to see provably fair for sportsbook so if you manage that, it would be awesome.
legendary
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If the user base on MintDice grows substantially in the near future and we begin to monetize better, we can then of course afford to hire more talent to get more games developed
Well I'm sure as those new games roll out the growth will pick up. There's something to be said for breaking up the monotony and having a fresh game to have a go at.

What I said has nothing to do with "if you like bitcoin why not use paypal" level of idiotic response.
This was an example used to show how dissimilar the 2 games are. Sorry if you misunderstood that, I won't carry on this vein though  as I'm not looking to derail this thread. My comment also wasn't about the purity of poker, there are already so many variations and new ones still being created. I'm all for innovation, and trying out new formats.

hero member
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What I said has nothing to do with "if you like bitcoin why not use paypal" level of idiotic response. Video poker is a valid game where people could play it, sure it is as much of a slot game as its a poker game but you do decide on which cards to keep and how many cards to ask for etc which involves some poker elements in it.

Now, poker is a very expensive and difficult game to implement, sure if you can implement it that is miiiiiles better but going by your analogy, "if you are using cash and want to one day have bitcoin, why not start upgrading from cash to paypal first then from paypal to bitcoin instead of waiting with cash to bitcoin directly" which kinda makes sense.

Video poker would be a decent addition to any website, doesn't need to exist if you don't want to but could be cool to have as well.
legendary
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Video poker shouldn't be really too far away from the roadmap if you like poker so much, I mean I kinda understand the purity of poker players wanting to keep poker clean and not make some video machine help people play "poker" because they feel like it is not even poker at that point etc etc.
This one made me laugh a bit, kind of like saying you like Bitcoin so why not just use Paypal. The only real similarity is in the "hands" apart from that it's just a 2 step slot machine really. I'm not a big gambler so these games don't interest me that much, I am looking forward to their developed skills games though. I imagine that will be a big draw, as you have the classics people seem to really like - Dice, Plinko but bringing something innovative in is what will really help generate fresh traffic, that won't be easily drawn to other sites. Whereas if you offer the same type of games as everyone else, what's really keeping people loyal for lack of a better word.

Hmm yeah, innovation is important in developing business because people will certainly look for something different and more fun. And in my opinion, developing poker does not mean not keeping purity of poker, but it only adopts a few rules from poker to be combined with other rules of the game such as slots to produce a new and innovative game. For me this is not a poker game but another game so there is no indication of polluting the purity of poker in here.
hero member
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How does it function? Is this a kind of online slots or something? The reviews in the web look rather positive, I would like to test it out!

How does what function, the website? We have provably fair online slots among other games. You can test anything out for free with the free Bitcoin faucet or play money faucet. If you have any specific questions please let us know here.


How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.

This is called Video Poker. This is a fundamentally completely different game than what we have been talking about, but yes, this game could in theory be put onto a website and be made provably fair with relatively little difficulty. However, we have no intention to add this game to our website at any point on our roadmap, yet.
Video poker shouldn't be really too far away from the roadmap if you like poker so much, I mean I kinda understand the purity of poker players wanting to keep poker clean and not make some video machine help people play "poker" because they feel like it is not even poker at that point etc etc.

However in the end, adding more games equals more gambling and as a place that runs on wagered amounts being high (the more people play, the more they lose) you should be considering to add ALL games you can, doesn't matter what it is, video poker, slots, baccarat, plinko, sportsbooks, real poker, horse racing, lets see who pisses the furthest if you have to, the more games the better.

Yeah, it would take a lot of development time so you need to prioritize but I would suggest easier games should be first.

The question isn't so much whether or not we would like Video Poker on our website in theory. Of course if I could snap my fingers and just have it on our website I'd do that. But we only build high quality provably fair games which is a resource intensive process. And the fact is we have many other things prioritized for development.

Websites using licensed games don't have this problem because they can install any licensed games they want to at their whim. But then their games aren't provably fair, but this isn't something we are willing to allow for our website.

If the user base on MintDice grows substantially in the near future and we begin to monetize better, we can then of course afford to hire more talent to get more games developed onto our website which would lead to Video Poker coming on our website at some point down the stretch. But still, as is, no immediate plans on our roadmap.
legendary
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Video poker shouldn't be really too far away from the roadmap if you like poker so much, I mean I kinda understand the purity of poker players wanting to keep poker clean and not make some video machine help people play "poker" because they feel like it is not even poker at that point etc etc.
This one made me laugh a bit, kind of like saying you like Bitcoin so why not just use Paypal. The only real similarity is in the "hands" apart from that it's just a 2 step slot machine really. I'm not a big gambler so these games don't interest me that much, I am looking forward to their developed skills games though. I imagine that will be a big draw, as you have the classics people seem to really like - Dice, Plinko but bringing something innovative in is what will really help generate fresh traffic, that won't be easily drawn to other sites. Whereas if you offer the same type of games as everyone else, what's really keeping people loyal for lack of a better word.
hero member
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How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.

This is called Video Poker. This is a fundamentally completely different game than what we have been talking about, but yes, this game could in theory be put onto a website and be made provably fair with relatively little difficulty. However, we have no intention to add this game to our website at any point on our roadmap, yet.
Video poker shouldn't be really too far away from the roadmap if you like poker so much, I mean I kinda understand the purity of poker players wanting to keep poker clean and not make some video machine help people play "poker" because they feel like it is not even poker at that point etc etc.

However in the end, adding more games equals more gambling and as a place that runs on wagered amounts being high (the more people play, the more they lose) you should be considering to add ALL games you can, doesn't matter what it is, video poker, slots, baccarat, plinko, sportsbooks, real poker, horse racing, lets see who pisses the furthest if you have to, the more games the better.

Yeah, it would take a lot of development time so you need to prioritize but I would suggest easier games should be first.
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How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.
Creating a poker game (or sportsbook as well, kinda the similar mindset) is difficult because if you make your own one with a developer in your employee then you are trusting that person, maybe they have a backdoor, maybe they didn't do it well, you can get it edited by someone else or at least audit it but in the end if they end up with a backdoor that is not found they could scam you and your customers.

You can buy an open source one, but its the same issue, you are never 100% sure you can trust them. The only option owner can have is building one themselves, coding it themselves but then the gamblers don't know if its trustworthy. So in the end whatever you do you do not have a 100% provably fair poker in your hands, hence why its so difficult to find a decent poker game in crypto.
legendary
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The reality is poker hand dealing will not be able to implement with seeds. In the end there needs to be a deck and there needs to be a shuffle and there needs to be a deal, all of which combined can't be provably fair when it comes to seed and proof which is why poker is not provably fair.

Now, don't get me wrong, dice was not provably fair until it was so there could be some method one day, some developer would find a way to do it and he would implement and they would fix it and make it provably fair but until someone finds that unknown method for now there is no provably fair poker in the whole world.

It is still fine because as long as it is a legit website and the odds are at the relm of reality there is no problem at all, so I can definitely play poker without worrying about it.

Interesting, thanks a lot for your input!

How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.

This is called Video Poker. This is a fundamentally completely different game than what we have been talking about, but yes, this game could in theory be put onto a website and be made provably fair with relatively little difficulty. However, we have no intention to add this game to our website at any point on our roadmap, yet.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley
~snip~
We realize that we still have a lot of work to finish up the major first steps to our gaming platform and build community trust but we are doing what we can in the mean time. I'm really hoping to have three of our new major products released before the end of this year.
Nice to see to see the community base building around mintdice and glad to see your able to be more actively engaged, looks like you've continued to do well bringing people on board. Still looking forward to seeing your new games  when they release, should be fun learning the ins and outs.
Poker would be sweet, but it's understandable why it's not priority; I'll be game if/when it launches for sure. Something nice about knowing the face behind the site, and their opinion on being as provably fair as possible.

Congrats on the final table to both of you, looks like you had fun.

Hey SteamTyme, nice to see you drop by.

My real life friend/neighbor and girl who was the one who knocked me out of the tournament in 5th place made a vlog detailing the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osr4vGwJZc8

Pretty solid video actually, worth a watch. Many crypto celebs are seen throughout the event.

Interesting insight into the real gambling. Its nice to see the perspective from a different angle and, I guess as we always excepted a lot of heavy gamblers ... Thanks for sharing Smiley
hero member
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The reality is poker hand dealing will not be able to implement with seeds. In the end there needs to be a deck and there needs to be a shuffle and there needs to be a deal, all of which combined can't be provably fair when it comes to seed and proof which is why poker is not provably fair.

Now, don't get me wrong, dice was not provably fair until it was so there could be some method one day, some developer would find a way to do it and he would implement and they would fix it and make it provably fair but until someone finds that unknown method for now there is no provably fair poker in the whole world.

It is still fine because as long as it is a legit website and the odds are at the relm of reality there is no problem at all, so I can definitely play poker without worrying about it.

Interesting, thanks a lot for your input!

How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.

This is called Video Poker. This is a fundamentally completely different game than what we have been talking about, but yes, this game could in theory be put onto a website and be made provably fair with relatively little difficulty. However, we have no intention to add this game to our website at any point on our roadmap, yet.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley
~snip~
We realize that we still have a lot of work to finish up the major first steps to our gaming platform and build community trust but we are doing what we can in the mean time. I'm really hoping to have three of our new major products released before the end of this year.
Nice to see to see the community base building around mintdice and glad to see your able to be more actively engaged, looks like you've continued to do well bringing people on board. Still looking forward to seeing your new games  when they release, should be fun learning the ins and outs.
Poker would be sweet, but it's understandable why it's not priority; I'll be game if/when it launches for sure. Something nice about knowing the face behind the site, and their opinion on being as provably fair as possible.

Congrats on the final table to both of you, looks like you had fun.

Hey SteamTyme, nice to see you drop by.

My real life friend/neighbor and girl who was the one who knocked me out of the tournament in 5th place made a vlog detailing the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osr4vGwJZc8

Pretty solid video actually, worth a watch. Many crypto celebs are seen throughout the event.
legendary
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With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath Smiley
~snip~
We realize that we still have a lot of work to finish up the major first steps to our gaming platform and build community trust but we are doing what we can in the mean time. I'm really hoping to have three of our new major products released before the end of this year.
Nice to see to see the community base building around mintdice and glad to see your able to be more actively engaged, looks like you've continued to do well bringing people on board. Still looking forward to seeing your new games  when they release, should be fun learning the ins and outs.
Poker would be sweet, but it's understandable why it's not priority; I'll be game if/when it launches for sure. Something nice about knowing the face behind the site, and their opinion on being as provably fair as possible.

Congrats on the final table to both of you, looks like you had fun.
legendary
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How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.

It was indeed a slot game in my opinion only the picture was replaced like a poker card. I don't think this is a poker game even though it uses cards, how to play it like a slot so it is a slot game. Poker only has one type how to play the same and does not have another type as you stated.
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