Topic: MintDice Bitcoin Casino - SportsBook & Provably Fair Games - page 27. (Read 35091 times)

How about the kind of "poker" that is similar to slots? I don't know what it called though...

The game was like pull the lever, and you receive five random cards. If the player gets a pair, triple, four a kind, flush, etc., he will get x payouts, just like slot games.

Maybe this way you could attract both slots and poker enthusiast.

The reality is poker hand dealing will not be able to implement with seeds. In the end there needs to be a deck and there needs to be a shuffle and there needs to be a deal, all of which combined can't be provably fair when it comes to seed and proof which is why poker is not provably fair.

Now, don't get me wrong, dice was not provably fair until it was so there could be some method one day, some developer would find a way to do it and he would implement and they would fix it and make it provably fair but until someone finds that unknown method for now there is no provably fair poker in the whole world.

It is still fine because as long as it is a legit website and the odds are at the relm of reality there is no problem at all, so I can definitely play poker without worrying about it.

I was a professional poker player for around 6 years, if there is anything that I understand well, it will be anything related to poker

In theory, nothing about making poker provably fair is remotely impossible.

The difficult part would be creating software. If you license poker software, which is what everyone does, then you typically have to use all of their closed sourced systems for all of it's operations, including it's RNG, which are not provably fair. It's why I've stated in the past here and elsewhere that everyone should avoid the sites that used licensed games, in general. Though playing Bitcoin poker sites are fine because that's all that exists. But when there are multiple options, like for slot machines, use the provably fair sites and ignore all of those licensed sites, like Bitstarz (which has been scamming people lately on BitcoinTalk as well anyway).

Making our games was already fairly difficult since we have very high quality provably fair slots / plinko / crash, some of if not the best in the market depending on the game. Making a poker client, however, would be on a whole other level of difficulty to do correctly. If you understand the issue and know of any solutions, I'd be delighted to hear them to integrate things correctly for the community if we were to proceed forward later on.

@theskillzdatklls
I was going to say that your current player base should be the main factor regarding implementing a poker game or not, but you said that first!

What sounds strange to me is that poker is hard or nearly impossible to make probably fair? Why is that?
I understand it'd take time for a player to verify a game if they have to check every card opened in a single game, but shouldn't it be possible to do?

Is there an issue regarding when the validating key is provided? Like, if you let everyone know this key too early in the game, someone would be able to decipher it and learn what other cards are in play? Is this the problem with poker being provably fair?

So MintDice is looking to launch a sportsbook Q1-Q2 of 2020, and the provider we are most seriously looking at right now offers a suite of gaming instruments. Most are non-provably fair games that we are not interested in since we are only going to use custom built games for our provably fair systems.

However, Poker is nearly impossible to build and therefore make Provably Fair. We could adopt the platform that our sportsbook provider has for virtually free. The question is more whether or not that is a good idea, which is high debatable, but certainly possible.

Our largest focus for skill gaming will be on the new innovative games that we are bringing to the market. They will all be Provably Fair and use other sources of fairness/randomness when possible since we are constructing them entirely in house.

With Poker, I'd say the biggest consideration with us will be player base. The more people we have playing on MintDice, potentially the more likely we would be to add in the poker client as well at some point after the sportsbook is released with that licensor. But realistically, we'll just have to wait and see, and either way, poker won't be coming for some time if it ever does so don't hold your breath



Thanks a lot
We're trying our best. We realize that we still have a lot of work to finish up the major first steps to our gaming platform and build community trust but we are doing what we can in the mean time. I'm really hoping to have three of our new major products released before the end of this year.

You guys are getting really really big, I mean how many casinos can actually stake some players entry and then get them to high spots as well, most of the casinos I am 100% sure didn't even know there was a WCC Bitcoin poker event, and you guys not only took advantage of this but also got involved with it as well.

In the end, mintdice is showing everyone how they are going to one up their competition in every turn, they are doing basically everything properly and never fail, they are constantly here, they are in communication, they are marketing, they are getting involved, they are ever improving. I am not saying they are the most gambled place right now, I know they are not right now but they are definitely on the path to be the biggest casino in crypto.

It was due to their animation effect I guess,even I did mention the same thing earlier but still they are developing their site and we may get much more better experience in near future.For full bet history we can click the bet history on lower left corner for that we no need to stop but your rollers will be rolling behind that history table.

Yeah it works, there are tons of people who does exactly this, there are also tools that make it easier as well, I have sold something to a double spender before (they legit paid me because I would have cancelled their subscription if they didn't) but I have watched him literally pay for food with double spending and get the money back, he didn't had to because dude was rich as hell but he just wanted to show off I guess.

So, the double spending happens in bitcoin to this day, exactly the method you talked about and they make a ton of money from unsuspecting casinos, casinos think there is a ton of people who lost their bets but they realize there isn't that many btc in their accounts and when they figured it out most of the time it is already too late.

I'm quite impressed with this move. It would be a very nice marketing/promotional tool for Mintdice in the WCC but too bad I'm too far away from the location of the event so I just can say good luck to those players who are registered for Mintdice. Frankly speaking, it makes me wonder "will be there a pvp poker game at Mintdice in the future?" as this event looks like a sign that Mintdice is also attracted to have a Poker game.

It's both coming and a bit of a ways away. The majority of our development talent has gone towards getting smart phone compatibility online, so I can mostly just say that we are working on it and it will look quite good when it is released

Separately, we had two runners registered for MintDice in the WCC Bitcoin Poker event held today in a field of around 80 players and managed to cash for both 5th and 6th place! At the final table in one picture you can see us there with Brock Pierce among other people in the background. Was a really amazing event put on by the WCC.



With that said, MintDice will be hosting a booth at the Cosmo the 30th and 31st (tomorrow and the day after) in Vegas as well as being part of a speaking panel on the 31st. If anyone is in the area please come say hello, it would be a pleasure to meet you.

i agree it was a great website the design was great and it was easy to understand what was in the site personally i like it. Creating an account can be easily done but it was not yet optimize even in desktop mode or if your using it in a smartphone because it was laggy especially when you open it in a smartphone but over all it was great.

I can give you short review here that i was play use smartphone currently and my smartphone isn't high spec gadget even near to low spec but i don't have any problem playing the game even with automatic betting every rolls still went to smoothly but indeed i have been waiting new update about other games which can be played through an smartphone because currently only dice game can be played but plinko and slots still not available for smartphone users

Agreed, I haven't thought about it. Now only realized what you've mentioned. The mobile phone I've been using is a low configuration as well as the range won't be good all the time which seems to be the reason for experiencing such an issue while using it on mobile. Let me try with some of my friends mobile and confirm whether things were happening good with other mobile phones of high configuration.

maybe the issue was already fixed ? you know there are also active costumer support that listen and responds to the concern of thier costumers , and also not all users are experiencing the same problem because sometimes there will be delays when procesing a deposit on withdrawals based on the price or on the status of the crypto market . about your mobile problem  , maybe you only have a slow connection or your mobile phone do only have a low quality spec  . on what mobile device  your browsing the site ? i mean its brand name  or unit model

Maybe, but going through MintDice it is perfect on deposit and withdrawal. I found the website is little heavy to use on mobile phone. When we use on computer it works perfect, for mobile it needs to be made little lighter which will make the user experience of the website better.

I think he is talking about the casinos with instant deposit feature,correct me if I am wrong.Double spending tricks can be used by scammers to cheat on these site!

I don't know why you are all discuss this nonsense. Casino will never accept deposit with 0 confirmation! They are not gamblers. They are earning on gamblers.


From mintdice FAQ

No this is not called double spending , this is called a 51% attack and that's not possible these days. And if it actually was possible then the hackers wouldn't target casinos but exchanges instead. There would be a lot more money at stake then. They would just do a chain reorg and they would short the futures market and watch the price plunge.

What he is talking about is simply sending a transaction and sending another one right after with a much larger fee and to a different address. So they would make a deposit, and if it's 0 confirms they would bet the entire balance very fast and if they won they would do nothing. And if they lost they would double spend that input to their own address. I don't know if it works these days even because most nodes reject those transactions but casinos were attacked this way in the past.

The 0 confirmation is basically a marketing tactic so if a gambler loses all their BTC and they are on the tilt to revenge gamble then chances are they will if the deposit is confirmed fast, if it takes a few hours to confirm they might get bored and stop gambling and stop losing money. If it comes right away they will gamble it instantly and might lose it also.

Ok, again, I apologize and I'm not an extremely technical person but I'm pretty sure this will be resolved sooner than later as I've made sure the devs are well aware of the issue. Hopefully within the week. Thanks again.

[1] Currently, it will not work since the Server Seed of the previous bets are displayed as "currently active" as I've said above;
and the next bet's CS, SS Hash and Nounce aren't displayed, if the next bet's info aren't displayed before hitting "roll", it defeats the purpose of Provably fair since the site can just put a random result later in the bet lookup page.

Those links (I've already visited it since my 1st reply) works as the temporary link to the "Algorithm" for technical users.
(It's the explaination on how the site computes the result based from the User/Client Seed, Server Seed and Nounce; it needs to be understandable for a regular joe in the official link).

But repeat [1].
Hopefully, it will be implemented in the next release since some people prefer Probably Fair casinos over RNG ones.