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Quote from: holdembot on April 09, 2015, 08:37:02 AM

Yes it came to "us" a long time ago, in fact most the stolen content come from this book , the Christians used the Jewish scripture and the Muslims just continued on that and stole from the Christian and Jewish books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

Wrong. Prove it if you say yes.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:23:10 AM

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:14:20 AM

See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time.

No school studying needed. Cavemen would have had a go at throwing rocks up to the Moon and they, too, would have figured it clearly was going to take far more force to get a stone up there than they had.

No miracle. Pointing out the obvious is not miraculous.

Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it?

You want to somehow proove this is false and it isn't a miracle, no matter how it is. Even pointless things like above will be given for it.

Wow such a dishonest post.

The science about how gravity works was only disected at that time. People knew before then that you are stuck to planet earth, they just did not know exactly why.

Nope. It was 1400 years ago. People didn't even thought about going to Space and also here "tremendous force" explains about it. That is a miracle. Even if people thought you are stickies to earth, they didn't even think about flight and how much force is needed etc...

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Actually you say miracle number 3 but you're going to mess up the flow of existing rebuttals in the series:

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 09, 2015, 08:08:02 AM

Miracle 4

The Pairs in Creation

"Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them." (The Qur'an, 36:36)

Although the concept of ''pair'' or "couple" commonly stands for male and female,

Let me just stop you there a sec because, indeed, some of your Muslim scholars believe the actual quote to be: "“Glory be to Him Who created all the sexual pairs, of that which the earth groweth, and of themselves, and of that which they know not!”

So, you know, this whole idea of your 'miraculous' book kinda falls apart if it can't even communicate sufficiently to be unambiguous in definition.

But, anyhoo, let's look at this next bit, right alongside that discarded crowbar you left behind:

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 09, 2015, 08:08:02 AM

the statement of ''from things unknown to them'' has wider implications. Today, one of the implications of the verse has been revealed. . .

Do you even see what you are guilty of there? Taking something rather vague which was said previously and deciding that it *must* refer to something specific known in the present. That's the same technique 'astrologers' and other scammers use.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:38:29 AM

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:23:10 AM

Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it?

The scientific Theory of Gravity is a whole lot different from the general understanding that stuff doesn't stay up in the air on its own.

Because a force to pull down is there. You missed this. This is why it is a miracle as Gravitational Force was discovered later.

LoL , the only miracle in this thread is you Muhammed Zakir.

The fact that you have managed to survive this long and not run into someone who convinced you to hand them your kidney,liver or heart in the name of the prophet Mohammed - Peace be not upon him.

Daily I realise just how frustrated Christopher Hitchens must have been throughout his life dealing with imbecile non-argumentative gherkins like yourself.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 08:31:30 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:23:10 AM

Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it?

The scientific Theory of Gravity is a whole lot different from the general understanding that stuff doesn't stay up in the air on its own.

Because a force to pull down is there. You missed this. This is why it is a miracle as Gravitational Force was discovered later.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 08:17:51 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:14:20 AM

See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time.

No school studying needed. Cavemen would have had a go at throwing rocks up to the Moon and they, too, would have figured it clearly was going to take far more force to get a stone up there than they had.

No miracle. Pointing out the obvious is not miraculous.

Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it?

You want to somehow proove this is false and it isn't a miracle, no matter how it is. Even pointless things like above will be given for it.

Wow such a dishonest post.

The science about how gravity works was only disected at that time. People knew before then that you are stuck to planet earth, they just did not know exactly why.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 07:32:09 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on April 09, 2015, 07:16:48 AM

It's okay to spread doubt, where doubt should exist. This is the nature of critical examination of a subject.

I have not seen any evidence here from the Koran of a level of knowledge of astrology higher than a common man might have had from looking at the skies. I have seen zero knowledge of astronomy in the modern sense.

These claims have been made, but they are not supportable.

The Koran does not have amazing miraculous revelations about astronomy.

Qur'an came to us a long time ago. Even things in Qur'an was found recently(in the past 400 years or so). A common man can see it easily now because he studies it in School.

Yes it came to "us" a long time ago, in fact most the stolen content come from this book , the Christians used the Jewish scripture and the Muslims just continued on that and stole from the Christian and Jewish books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament

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the blindness is real with this one.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:23:10 AM

Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it?

The scientific Theory of Gravity is a whole lot different from the general understanding that stuff doesn't stay up in the air on its own.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 09, 2015, 08:20:40 AM

The point In this is that Do you Know It before It was Discovered By someone? In the Quran It was Written 1400 years Ago. Yes! Every childeren Knows It but after the Discovery, Am I right? @ cryptodevil, Now your Turn

Now you are just being willful again. No, you are not right, you have simply decided you are right and then repeated your assumption that only long after that quote was written did mankind figure out that it was *real* hard to get stuff to go up into the sky and stay there.

In actual fact, long *before* that quote, man would have tried flinging stuff up into the sky, only to see it fall back down again. It doesn't take education, only testing by doing, to show that the more force you put behind the throw, the further it went, but it never seemed to go far enough to get up into 'the heavens'. So, eventually, even the most dim-witted of bronze-age goat-herders would have understood that fact, way before that 'miraculous' quote appeared.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 08:17:51 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:14:20 AM

See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time.

No school studying needed. Cavemen would have had a go at throwing rocks up to the Moon and they, too, would have figured it clearly was going to take far more force to get a stone up there than they had.

No miracle. Pointing out the obvious is not miraculous.

Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it?

You want to somehow proove this is false and it isn't a miracle, no matter how it is. Even pointless things like above will be given for it.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 07:48:42 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 07:32:36 AM

Miracle #3:

55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the sky and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”

Even a child could tell you that it takes an enormous amount of force to get into space. Simply by trying to throw a rock up to the moon, something as infantile as that, would result in acknowledging that the only way to make your stone go far enough would require a tremendous amount of force, far beyond that which you can give it.

See? A child's logic would come up with with the same thing. What's so miraculous about that?

The point In this is that Do you Know It before It was Discovered By someone? In the Quran It was Written 1400 years Ago. Yes! Every childeren Knows It but after the Discovery, Am I right? @ cryptodevil, Now your Turn

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 08:14:20 AM

See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time.

No school studying needed. Cavemen would have had a go at throwing rocks up to the Moon and they, too, would have figured it clearly was going to take far more force to get a stone up there than they had.

No miracle. Pointing out the obvious is not miraculous.

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Quote from: rememberme on April 09, 2015, 07:41:46 AM

So everything is wrong except whats in the Qur'an?

Did I say that? I said "some".

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Miracle #3:

55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”

Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.

Holy Qur’an was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and jinn) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by man? Absolutely no chance! As the most illustrious poets of Prophet’s (Pbuh) time admitted defeat on going through Qur’an:

Even a child could tell you that it takes an enormous amount of force to get into space. Simply by trying to throw a rock up to the moon, something as infantile as that, would result in acknowledging that the only way to make your stone go far enough would require a tremendous amount of force, far beyond that which you can give it.

See? A child's logic would come up with with the same thing. What's so miraculous about that?

See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time.

Quote from: abyrnes81 on April 09, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

This is not a "miracle", do you know the meaning of the that word?

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God.
2. One that excites admiring awe; a wonderful or amazing event, act, person, or thing. See Synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

Both first and second definition fits here. Don't think the world 1,400 years ago was same as of now.

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Miracle 3#

The Pairs in Creation

"Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them." (The Qur'an, 36:36)

Although the concept of ''pair'' or "couple" commonly stands for male and female, the statement of ''from things unknown to them'' has wider implications. Today, one of the implications of the verse has been revealed. The British scientist Paul Dirac, who proposed that matter is created in pairs, was awarded the Nobel Prize for physics in 1933. This discovery, called ''parité'', maintains that matter is paired with its opposite: anti-matter. Anti-matter carries the opposite properties to matter. For instance, as opposed to matter, the electron of anti-matter is positively charged and its protons are negatively charged. This fact is stated in a scientific source in this way:

"...every particle has its antiparticle of opposite charge… …and the uncertainty relation tells us that pair creation and pair annihilation happen in the vacuum at all times, in all places."8

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Miracle #3:

55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”

Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.

Holy Qur’an was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and jinn) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by man? Absolutely no chance! As the most illustrious poets of Prophet’s (Pbuh) time admitted defeat on going through Qur’an:

This is not a "miracle", do you know the meaning of the that word?

1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God.
2. One that excites admiring awe; a wonderful or amazing event, act, person, or thing. See Synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 07:32:36 AM

Miracle #3:

55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the sky and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”

Even a child could tell you that it takes an enormous amount of force to get into space. Simply by trying to throw a rock up to the moon, something as infantile as that, would result in acknowledging that the only way to make your stone go far enough would require a tremendous amount of force, far beyond that which you can give it.

See? A child's logic would come up with with the same thing. What's so miraculous about that?

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So everything is wrong except whats in the Qur'an?

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Quote from: Spendulus on April 09, 2015, 07:35:33 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 07:32:09 AM

Qur'an came to us a long time ago. Even things in Qur'an was found recently(in the past 400 years or so). A common man can see it easily now because he studies it in School.

No, we have much written material from the 7th century, and before and after it. We have the Greek works on science, nature and the cosmos.

I don't know about all theories of that time but some of them is already proved to be false like the system cryptodevil mentioned.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 07:32:09 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on April 09, 2015, 07:16:48 AM

It's okay to spread doubt, where doubt should exist. This is the nature of critical examination of a subject.

I have not seen any evidence here from the Koran of a level of knowledge of astrology higher than a common man might have had from looking at the skies. I have seen zero knowledge of astronomy in the modern sense.

These claims have been made, but they are not supportable.

The Koran does not have amazing miraculous revelations about astronomy.

Qur'an came to us a long time ago. Even things in Qur'an was found recently(in the past 400 years or so). A common man can see it easily now because he studies it in School.

No, we have much written material from the 7th century, and before and after it. We have the Greek works on science, nature and the cosmos.

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Miracle #3:

55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the sky and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”

Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.

Holy Qur’an was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and jinn) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by man? Absolutely no chance! As the most illustrious poets of Prophet’s (Pbuh) time admitted defeat on going through Qur’an:

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