Topic: Miracles of Quran - page 4. (Read 5602 times)

I'm not twisting anything, the phrase "It isn't permitted" implies that permission is not given for something, would you at least agree with that so far?

In that you claim that the author of your books says your god did not give permission for the Sun to catch up with the moon, would that not be as asinine as me not giving you permission to float up into the air?

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]The Prophet asked me at sunset, “Do you know where the Sun goes (at the time of sunset)?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know better.” He said, “It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ‘And the Sun runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.’” (36.38)

You, as most theists tend to do, are the one cherry-picking small quotes (bad ones at that) and attributing meaning to them they simply do not possess and, when taken in the wider context of the surrounding text, generally prove that the book is full of much ignorance and woo.

I don't know how you suggest this is even meaningful. Is this meant to be another 'miracle' or are you still hacking away at the dead horse of the Sun/Moon absurdity?

There is a slight difference in "Sun tries to catch up moon but it isn't permitted" and "It isn't permitted for Sun to catch up moon".

Don't twist verses according to your likes.

I don't know how you will twist this:

36:39 - And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk.

Atop being so dishonest. You know damn well that to claim the Sun is not PERMITTED to do something is to imply that it may otherwise attempt to.

I forbid you to float up into the air! There, you are not permitted to float up into the air. Does that make me somehow the being responsible for you not being able to float up into the air?

dude hotels.. HOTEL their quality standard are far better than how mosque are built.

now, do you mean mosques are built in the highest quality standards? probably i should built my home that way even if a tsunami comes to the island, i will be safe inside

Built to the same top-quality standard that the neighbourhood mosque would be? Prove it.

just to reply this quickly, there were hotels around....

you really need to read your comment before you post them. you twist lines so much that in the end you make fun of yourself.

There's no reason to suspect it is photoshopped, simply understanding basic science would explain why the MOST SOLIDLY built structure in the vicinity managed to survive while those NOT BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARD as the mosque, were swept away.

I can't comment on "Mosque" as it looks like photoshopped. However, it may or may not be true. I haven't researched about it.

Stop being so dishonest. You know damn well that to claim the Sun is not PERMITTED to do something is to imply that it may otherwise attempt to.

I forbid you to float up into the air! There, you are not permitted to float up into the air. Does that make me somehow the being responsible for you not being able to float up into the air?

Read the verse correctly. It never said sun tries to catch uo the moon. Blatant lie!

Because I'm the only one presenting objectively reasoned facts to prove your claims towards 'miracles' in your book as being utter tripe. You just keep on repeating the same text as though that somehow qualifies as an answer.

What? “It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon?” The above verse is either ridiculous or wrong, depending on whether we try to understand it from the modern perspective or from the Bedouins’ perspective, respectively.

Here is why:

[ img]http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Sun-Moon.gif[/img]

  From the modern perspective, to say that the Sun tries to catch up the Moon (but is not permitted to do so) is laughably naïve.

The orbit of the Moon (gray) around the Earth’s orbit (blue circle) and around the Sun (red, center).
Note: not drawn to scale, and also the Moon completes approximately 13 turns in a year, not exactly 13.
Observation from this diagram: to say that the Sun, in reality, “tries to catch up the Moon”, makes no sense at all.

So, because according to what we know today it is just plain stupid to say that the Sun tries to catch up the Moon, there is only one possibility: that verse 36:40 was said that way for the Bedouins to make some sense of it. But in that case,... it’s wrong again!

Seeing as you did the same thing with the first 'miracle' of the mosque, I'm assuming you want to do the same thing with the 'miracle' of the absurd Sun/Moon quote, so I'm saying go for it. Let's have the next one seeing as you have nothing to challenge my take-down of your 'miracles.'

36:38 - And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

36:39 - And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk.   

36:40 - It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).

These tells about day and night and also tells that they are travelling through it's own path.

you actually do your own judgements yourself and rate your own comments.. LOL

keep commenting, am laughing my ass off here

In verses 36:38–40 we read the following (my emphasis):

36:38 “And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing. 36:39 And the Moon, — We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk. 36:40 It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day; each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).”

What? “It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon?” The above verse is either ridiculous or wrong, depending on whether we try to understand it from the modern perspective or from the Bedouins’ perspective, respectively. Here is why:



  From the modern perspective, to say that the Sun tries to catch up the Moon (but is not permitted to do so) is laughably naïve. The Moon’s orbit around the Earth has no overlap with the Sun’s location in space, since the Moon orbits the Earth once in around 27.3 days (the “sidereal month”), and the system Earth–Moon orbits the Sun once per year (see diagram).



The orbit of the Moon (gray) around the Earth’s orbit (blue circle) and around the Sun (red, center).
Note: not drawn to scale, and also the Moon completes approximately 13 turns in a year, not exactly 13.
Observation from this diagram: to say that the Sun, in reality, “tries to catch up the Moon”, makes no sense at all.

So, because according to what we know today it is just plain stupid to say that the Sun tries to catch up the Moon, there is only one possibility: that verse 36:40 was said that way for the Bedouins to make some sense of it. But in that case,... it’s wrong again!

Although, to be honest, both of you are choosing to miss out this little clanger I found when looking for a version of the quote with your preferred grammar:

"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the night outstrip the day, each just swims along in its own orbit."

One word: Eclipse.

Sooooooo, yet another 'miracle' bites the dust.

NEXT!

Although, to be honest, both of you are choosing to miss out this little clanger I found when looking for a version of the quote with your preferred grammar:

"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the night outstrip the day, each just swims along in its own orbit."

One word: Eclipse.

Sooooooo, yet another 'miracle' bites the dust.

NEXT!

THIS is the exact quote :

21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

learn arabic to know the exact meaning of words, not fake translation

Miracle #2:  

Orbits

While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.

"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (The Qur'an, 21:33)

It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:

"And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing." (The Qur'an, 36:38)

AFAIK except for splitting of moon, we can give scientific proofs but for splitting of moon, only history proofs but you don't believe in old books.