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Quote from: Hamuki on April 09, 2015, 03:37:45 AM

We are being told to read verse's that you post here.
You dont have a valid source that is neutral to show proof from.

You are telling us that we are wrong.. And you are right.

AFAIK except for splitting of moon, we can give scientific proofs but for splitting of moon, only history proofs but you don't believe in old books.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 03:58:58 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 03:28:34 AM

21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

What's the doubt?

Your honesty is the doubt.

I believe the quote is actually, ""It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit."

Each in AN orbit. Given that the moon and the sun are both being cited, in the same sentence, as being in an orbit, which is more likely, that the author believes both to be orbiting the Earth, or that the moon orbits the Earth but the Sun orbits a point within our Galaxy?

Which is more likely? If you want to cite your 'holy' book as being a miraculous source of knowledge centuries before its time, then you can only cite the text within it, not simply choose to infer from vague ramblings the basis for advanced scientific knowledge.

As has been said, Muslims have contributed to mankind's knowledge throughout history, but that knowledge was not because they were Muslim, it was because they applied scientific and mathematical principals which could be objectively supported and proven, you know, exactly what 'Science' is.

THIS is the exact quote :

21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

learn arabic to know the exact meaning of words, not fake translation

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 03:28:34 AM

21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

What's the doubt?

Your honesty is the doubt.

I believe the quote is actually, ""It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit."

Each in AN orbit. Given that the moon and the sun are both being cited, in the same sentence, as being in an orbit, which is more likely, that the author believes both to be orbiting the Earth, or that the moon orbits the Earth but the Sun orbits a point within our Galaxy?

Which is more likely? If you want to cite your 'holy' book as being a miraculous source of knowledge centuries before its time, then you can only cite the text within it, not simply choose to infer from vague ramblings the basis for advanced scientific knowledge.

As has been said, Muslims have contributed to mankind's knowledge throughout history, but that knowledge was not because they were Muslim, it was because they applied scientific and mathematical principals which could be objectively supported and proven, you know, exactly what 'Science' is.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 03:31:35 AM

Quote from: Hamuki on April 09, 2015, 03:27:42 AM

I think we need to forget it..
They are so brain washed that when you ask for trusted sources they give you the Quran and other "holy" books to read a verse from.

Its like that one retarded kid at school who does not give up even though he has been prooved wrong, and he knows that what is he saying isnt true.

The moon split in two.. It was known only from the Quran that space was a thing and all knowledge come from it. And they keep bitching about that because of islam we have computers today because of an algorithm that was made by a muslim. It was made by a man.. Not by Islam.

If I find more shit, ill add it to a list.
I might even make a thread so we can see if we will get some valid sources from them.

Like I said, there isn't scientifical proof for it. However, if science can't proove it, it doesn't mean it is wrong but you may not be able to believe without it.

There is historical proof like the one I gave but you said you can't trust old books. Yet, you say I gave you verses from holy books.

We are being told to read verse's that you post here.
You dont have a valid source that is neutral to show proof from.

You are telling us that we are wrong.. And you are right.

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Quote from: Hamuki on April 09, 2015, 03:27:42 AM

I think we need to forget it..
They are so brain washed that when you ask for trusted sources they give you the Quran and other "holy" books to read a verse from.

Its like that one retarded kid at school who does not give up even though he has been prooved wrong, and he knows that what is he saying isnt true.

The moon split in two.. It was known only from the Quran that space was a thing and all knowledge come from it. And they keep bitching about that because of islam we have computers today because of an algorithm that was made by a muslim. It was made by a man.. Not by Islam.

If I find more shit, ill add it to a list.
I might even make a thread so we can see if we will get some valid sources from them.

Like I said, there isn't scientifical proof for it. However, if science can't proove it, it doesn't mean it is wrong but you may not be able to believe without it.

There is historical proof like the one I gave but you said you can't trust old books. Yet, you say I gave you verses from holy books.

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 02:29:55 AM

So that is two for two successful challenges of your claimed 'miracles' so far. You keep ignoring the simple rebuttals of your weak assertions in favour of reposting the vague 'holy' text as though repeating the same massively flawed vague description is providing for a different answer than the first time you failed to make a valid point with it.

The Mosque is likely a photoshop and I haven't researched or seen more about that news. So I can't comment on it but it is oikely a false one.

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 02:29:55 AM

Let me ask you again, where in that text about the Sun and the Moon orbiting is there anything which suggests the author meant that the Moon orbited Earth, but that the reference to the Sun described it as being on it's own orbit within our galaxy?

21:33 - “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all swim along, each in its orbit.”

What's the doubt?

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 09, 2015, 02:29:55 AM

Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

So you're ignoring the valid point made about your claim towards the mosque and now you want to move on to the next 'miracle' which is a bit of text which sounds like the author still believed the sun went around the earth, but you want to claim it is actually to do with the Sun's own orbit within our galaxy, even though there is no text which suggests that is what was being described.

So that is two for two successful challenges of your claimed 'miracles' so far. You keep ignoring the simple rebuttals of your weak assertions in favour of reposting the vague 'holy' text as though repeating the same massively flawed vague description is providing for a different answer than the first time you failed to make a valid point with it.

Let me ask you again, where in that text about the Sun and the Moon orbiting is there anything which suggests the author meant that the Moon orbited Earth, but that the reference to the Sun described it as being on it's own orbit within our galaxy?

I think we need to forget it..
They are so brain washed that when you ask for trusted sources they give you the Quran and other "holy" books to read a verse from.

Its like that one retarded kid at school who does not give up even though he has been prooved wrong, and he knows that what is he saying isnt true.

The moon split in two.. It was known only from the Quran that space was a thing and all knowledge come from it. And they keep bitching about that because of islam we have computers today because of an algorithm that was made by a muslim. It was made by a man.. Not by Islam.

If I find more shit, ill add it to a list.
I might even make a thread so we can see if we will get some valid sources from them.

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Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 09, 2015, 01:59:03 AM

OMG no shit the system is wrong but it proves that humans and arabs knew that the moon and the sun were orbiting long before the Quran was wrote, so no it is not a miracle.

They said stop sucking the tits of the zionist western infidel invaders, come to Iraq or Syria and they will be more than happy to go over arabic with you.

You are talking a small thing from the system and telling they "knew". Their system is wrong.

It is like:

Person-1 (AD 200): I am cycling and when I do, I am spinning and my tyres are stationary.

Person-2 (AD 1000): I am cycling and when I do, my tyres are spinning and I am not.

Person-3 (AD 2015): @Person-2: Cycling was know way long before you did.

^^^ Roll Eyes

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Quote from: cryptodevil on April 08, 2015, 11:59:50 AM

So you're ignoring the valid point made about your claim towards the mosque and now you want to move on to the next 'miracle' which is a bit of text which sounds like the author still believed the sun went around the earth, but you want to claim it is actually to do with the Sun's own orbit within our galaxy, even though there is no text which suggests that is what was being described.

So that is two for two successful challenges of your claimed 'miracles' so far. You keep ignoring the simple rebuttals of your weak assertions in favour of reposting the vague 'holy' text as though repeating the same massively flawed vague description is providing for a different answer than the first time you failed to make a valid point with it.

Let me ask you again, where in that text about the Sun and the Moon orbiting is there anything which suggests the author meant that the Moon orbited Earth, but that the reference to the Sun described it as being on it's own orbit within our galaxy?

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 01:47:20 AM

Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 09, 2015, 01:18:49 AM

Wrong, the Ptolemaic system is about the earth being stationary and everything else orbiting around it.

Wrong, thats what they say about you, they said your an armchair keyboard muslim who is to puss to jihad.

They said go back to the Quran, the struggle does not mean hitting traffic on the way to the mosque.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it!

Fortunately, that system is also wrong.

Like I said, they can't prove this from Islamic rules/teachings and also Jihad means to strive; to struggle.

Tell them to study arabic.

Unfortunately, I don't smoke.

OMG no shit the system is wrong but it proves that humans and arabs knew that the moon and the sun were orbiting long before the Quran was wrote, so no it is not a miracle.

They said stop sucking the tits of the zionist western infidel invaders, come to Iraq or Syria and they will be more than happy to go over arabic with you.

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Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 09, 2015, 01:18:49 AM

Wrong, the Ptolemaic system is about the earth being stationary and everything else orbiting around it.

Wrong, thats what they say about you, they said your an armchair keyboard muslim who is to puss to jihad.

They said go back to the Quran, the struggle does not mean hitting traffic on the way to the mosque.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it!

Fortunately, that system is also wrong.

Like I said, they can't prove this from Islamic rules/teachings and also Jihad means to strive; to struggle.

Tell them to study arabic.

Unfortunately, I don't smoke.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on April 09, 2015, 12:22:13 AM

Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 08, 2015, 09:42:53 PM

Astronomers knew planets were orbiting away before the Quran was written it is called the Ptolemaic system.

Miracle #2 = bullshit aswell.

Maybe get off the planets on try 3.

I have a miracle of the Quran.

Goons actually believe this bullshit and are murdering innocent people all over the world in the name of Allah.

Wrong. The first verse proves that sun isn't stationary. It isn't about planets.

Wrong. Islam doesn't tell anybody to kill. Some people do it. In fact, they ain't muslims because they contradicts Islamic rules/teachings.

Wrong, the Ptolemaic system is about the earth being stationary and everything else orbiting around it.

Wrong, thats what they say about you, they said your an armchair keyboard muslim who is to puss to jihad.

They said go back to the Quran, the struggle does not mean hitting traffic on the way to the mosque.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it!

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Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 08, 2015, 09:42:53 PM

Astronomers knew planets were orbiting away before the Quran was written it is called the Ptolemaic system.

Miracle #2 = bullshit aswell.

Maybe get off the planets on try 3.

I have a miracle of the Quran.

Goons actually believe this bullshit and are murdering innocent people all over the world in the name of Allah.

Wrong. The first verse proves that sun isn't stationary. It isn't about planets.

Wrong. Islam doesn't tell anybody to kill. Some people do it. In fact, they ain't muslims because they contradicts Islamic rules/teachings.

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Quote from: CoolRunnings21 on April 08, 2015, 09:42:53 PM

Astronomers knew planets were orbiting away before the Quran was written it is called the Ptolemaic system.

Miracle #2 = bullshit aswell.

Maybe get off the planets on try 3.

I have a miracle of the Quran.

Goons actually believe this bullshit and are murdering innocent people all over the world in the name of Allah.

You missed one.

The orbits in the universe do not only belong to celestial bodies. The galaxies also travel at enormous speeds in computed, planned orbits. During these movements, none of these celestial bodies cuts across another's path, or collides with another.

Damn sure do run into each other. We know because we've seen asteroids hit planets, comets hit Jupiter, binary stars obviously can easily fall into each other, and galaxies collide with galaxies.

You couldn't get clearer examples than this forum of early middle age patterns of thought if you had a time machine.

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Quote from: Spendulus on April 08, 2015, 09:07:10 PM

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 08, 2015, 01:53:29 PM

....In the Quran Hints are Provided Some one Just needs to look into things where it is hinted? why it is so?

I have a suggestion for Muslims that would like to prove that the Moon has been split apart and rejoined.

You have countries that are quite wealthy, just build spaceships and go to the Moon. This would have all kinds of benefits. Since you'd need hundreds of thousands of engineers and scientists, you'd need to improve education and eliminate illiteracy. You'd need to build advanced aerospace manufacturing plants. Probably have to put all those punks with guns in their hands shouting "allah Akbar" to actually work at jobs. Machinists, perhaps.

Come back from the Moon with evidence - hard, scientific facts - as to where the Moon was split and where it rejoined. Leave a marker, a tribute to your Prophet.

But be prepared to come back having failed to find that miracle.

The actual miracle would have been wrought in your people's advancements. From the hundred thousand projects that together accomplished a very difficult goal.

You have heard my challenge.

Im sure you are well aware that religion is not seeking facts but go by the mighty words of George Michael and that is, "You gotta have faith, faith, faith"

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I will take your advice of trusting old books and make sure not to drift to far into sea.

I really dont want to fall off the edge of the world and those monsters in the sea really scares me.

These damn old books, too many facts in them to even consider laying them down.

P.S. You do know the Genesis in the cookierun is simply a slightly modified version of the old testament genesis ? Plagiarism at its best really.

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the knowledge that I had probably not been able to discuss things like this .because I have not read it. Cry

but that I know the Quran is the answer to every question, al-Quran is the perfect holy book ..difficult to understand but all the miracles that will happen is already described in the Quran

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 08, 2015, 01:53:29 PM

....In the Quran Hints are Provided Some one Just needs to look into things where it is hinted? why it is so?

I have a suggestion for Muslims that would like to prove that the Moon has been split apart and rejoined.

You have countries that are quite wealthy, just build spaceships and go to the Moon. This would have all kinds of benefits. Since you'd need hundreds of thousands of engineers and scientists, you'd need to improve education and eliminate illiteracy. You'd need to build advanced aerospace manufacturing plants. Probably have to put all those punks with guns in their hands shouting "allah Akbar" to actually work at jobs. Machinists, perhaps.

Come back from the Moon with evidence - hard, scientific facts - as to where the Moon was split and where it rejoined. Leave a marker, a tribute to your Prophet.

But be prepared to come back having failed to find that miracle.

The actual miracle would have been wrought in your people's advancements. From the hundred thousand projects that together accomplished a very difficult goal.

You have heard my challenge.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 08, 2015, 01:53:29 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on April 08, 2015, 01:44:38 PM

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on April 07, 2015, 04:13:42 AM

The Quran (Koran, the book of Islam) contains scientific knowledge that could not have been known 1400 years ago. It ranges from basic arithmetics to the most advanced topics in in all the Field of this world. You are invited to go through those miracles. Every Day I will post One miracle of Quran.

Lots Of things That Were Discovered Now, and Few year Back, Was Everything Written In the the Quran 1400 year Ago. It is Only the Thing You should Look into the things Why it is created and what is its purpose.

The Qur'an is the principle source of every Muslim's faith and practice. It deals with all subjects that concern us as human beings, including wisdom, doctrine, worship and law; but its basic theme is the relationship between God and His creatures. At the same time, the Qur'an provides guidelines for a just society, proper human conduct and equitable economic principles.

Why do you assume that this knowledge could not have been available at that time? I think you miss a lot of high cultues in your theory.

And regarding what was written... its like with Nostradamus. You read into it what you want to believe it means.

No Im not assuming this Knowledge is there but It was Not Discovered, In the Quran Hints are Provided Some one Just needs to look into things where it is hinted? why it is so?

No, this is false. You have not found understanding of Kepler and Copernicus's concepts of astronomy in the Koran. You have not even showed in the Koran a level of understanding close to that of the ancient Greeks, who built computers that could predict many things.

Ankithera Mechanism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

The fact that you have to split the meanings of words of the Koran to be able to assert it's "knowledge" shows not the strength of your argument, but it's weakness. Else show where Mohammed laid down the equations of motion please.

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