Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 14. (Read 23908 times)

Since this thread has kind of jumped the shark anyway, that was said by Aaron Rodgers, an "American Footie" quarterback who got rudely shoved by a defensive lineman well after he had already thrown the ball. He was miced up for some kind of HBO documentary, and the event quickly became a meme among NFL nerds.



You should watch the whole clip, its only like 30 seconds, funny as hell:

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1696717299296641419

He went on to throw a touchdown pass on the next play.

What answer do you want me to answer?
How am I going to talk about a technology that doesn't exist today, or rather that isn't viable for a forum of this size, mainly because I don't have the resources to invent something like that?

What I can say is that creating a decentralized forum today is impossible and completely unfeasible.

The example I gave was torrent, not BitTorrent. BitTorrent is a torrent client, which is clearly not decentralized.
Do you know how torrent works? So imagine the same for the website. How can an ordinary person access a website, without having to install specific software, download the entire database that can be larger than a 4K Blu-ray movie, and then browse?

But wait, it only takes 1 byte to depend on one person, so it won't be decentralized.

Is Bitcoin decentralized? Yes, yours because anyone can set up a node and run it. But, Bitcoin is linear and not dynamic. It is mathematical work, always the same, that always produces the same type of data. A forum is highly dynamic, where all users produce different content, where features change over time, and many other things happen in a matter of seconds.

It cannot be compared when the type of data transmitted is always the same, with other services that are very varied in terms of data. The greater the data variation, the more complex and longer the processing process.

I'm not saying that in the future there won't be something really functional that makes this type of site decentralized. But at the moment it doesn't exist. Therefore, I cannot demand the forum to become decentralized.

Arguing for the sake of arguing much?  

You didn't answer my questions, you just keep making new questions demanding answers...

If nothing is truly decentralized (not even BitTorrent), then it all seems an exercise in futility.

ps: Did you personally know what it would take to create something like Bitcoin back in 2003?

There were many naysayers back then, I can assure you...

But, you have no idea what a site like this forum is, with such "decentralization", do you?

In fact, for you, what is decentralized?
It's just that not even torrents - perhaps the most decentralized products that exist on the internet - are really decentralized. 

I cannot search for that link now but if I recall correctly theymos stated that he had various attempts at making firewalls to protect the forum from DDoS but he could never find a way to meaningfully mitigate it therefore he used Cloudflare. It is my understanding that theymos had previously stated it was his belief Cloudflare was a honeypot but he nevertheless used it for the forum because of convenience.

For example if calculated at around $40,000 each, it would make 24 BTC worth around $960,000 and that is a lot of money. If these are supposed to be forum funds where were these BTC spent if they were spent recently?

Bitcoin's source code is also stored on GitHub. Does that mean it's centralized?

And what about people spending BTC on their mobile wallet? Do they have to store the entire blockchain to claim it's a decentralized currency?

I'm pretty sure 20 years ago BTC would seem like a crazy idea... I know, because I first read about the idea of a decentralized, PKI-secured currency back in 2003 (not BTC, since it didn't exist), but nobody could pull it off until Satoshi solved the Byzantine Generals problem.

How can you be so sure that we won't have yet another breakthrough in the future?

Most of the people calling for decentralized everything obviously don't understand the complexities of decentralized systems or the realities of internet communication. They often have unrealistic expectations about what decentralization can achieve and overlook the potential drawbacks.

Centralized databases do seem to be efficient and scalable, no doubt about it.  But, distributed data systems have some stuff going for them too.  Redundancy, fault tolerance... Still they don't seem truly decentralized since they still have some kind of centralized control mechanism happening under the hood. 

I figure centralized databases are gonna keep on being the main way we store data for a while.  People stick with what they know works decently enough already.

There should be some form of rewards to those who seeds like tokens.

That's right. Most people I hear talk about decentralization, from their words, know little about how things really work. How the internet works and how they can access information.

Any decentralized solution that needs more than 1 Mbps continuously sounds terrible! And the main problem I have with anything decentralized is that it won't work in a browser, you'll need to install software and download everything. Those drawbacks are probably the reason why it isn't used on a large scale. I mind downloading 100+ GB on my desktop, but for mobile users, decentralization is almost impossible.
And even if you get that working: how are you going to download it to get started? Centralized on Github?
Most of the things that claim to be decentralized, aren't decentralized.

Say what?

Chipmixer campaign participants were goats. To be fair, it's the signature campaign manager's responsibility to hire high-quality posters but since some of them are limited to budget and pay a low amount of money, high-quality posters prefer to stay away from such signature campaigns while the manager still needs to hire people and then they are simply forced to hire spammers. High-paying campaigns get rid of spam.

We don't even have a mobile app. Epochtalk development is stopped.

Regarding funding, what is new about ---> Forum funds, especially since @DarkStar_ is no longer active, and I also see that 24 Bitcoins were spent several weeks ago.

Money doesn't seem to be the issue here. The problem is lack of new ideas and lack of motivated people to execute them. And lets not forget that nobody paid Satoshi Nakamoto to create the decentralized money we call Bitcoin.

Happy holidays.

...New Year in the middle of winter, it never made sense to me

Since we are still on the first day of a new year and all feel jolly, I'd say we should also find a fork escrow in case those donations end up being multiplied by some unforeseen forks in the future. 😂😂😂

I'm acting like karma, a total bi*ch. 😉

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@nutildah, where do you find those memes? I love it how you are spot on, yeah cricksomething, show some respect.

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May I remind everyone that we have been sucker-punched by the state when they announced their take down on forum? Start thinking what to do to stop them from coming here again. What could be their next target and how we could fight against their absurd tyranny.?

Put on your bifocals, take a closer look, and I think you'll see "Mixers" is spelled quite adequately.

Regardless, who are you, and what killed your sense of humor?

https://cointelegraph.com/news/how-to-host-a-decentralized-website

There were some projects in the past, I don't know if they are still alive or even applicable for such a task, if I'm not mistaken, storj or something, maybe golem etc? Is there any already available solutions for decentralizing a forum?

I reckon we can have a decent decentralized forum protocol if FTTH (100 Mbps upload) becomes the baseline.

With ADSL (1 Mbps upload) it's not really possible... ADSL is fine for BTC, that's why Satoshi released it in 2009 (when ADSL was already becoming the norm).

Theymos himself is seriously anticipating this, he did say it.

Maybe someone should take up donations for development of a new forum. 

Happy New Year!