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Quote from: PrivacyG on January 04, 2024, 07:06:50 PM

Even funnier than that is the Contact page and the About Us link at the bottom leads to The Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany with the text 'Want to earn an honest living in crypto? Visit our career page!'.

...paid directly to your bank account via SEPA, wire transfer, or PayPal, after analyzing your ID, passport, criminal history, job history and doing a thorough background check on you using the country's intelligence agency, then yes, but it's not private, it's not really "crypto", and you'd be lucky if it was all "honest living".

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 05, 2024, 08:38:52 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community? I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.

Well, looking at the ninjastic.space graphs and without doing much math, the data looks very similar to previous weeks:

Therefore, I would say that there was not such a big impact on the pace of posts on the forum.

Very interesting. Can someone explain the ebb and flow of this chart to me? I've never really looked into or cared about forum stats before. Are weekdays/weekends dramatically different and that's what we're seeing? I suspect it'll take a while before any change in stats would show up, as I'm sure plenty of users are still delusional and think they'll be able to keep posting and change the forum's stance on mixers, or get accepted into another campaign (they probably will).

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 05, 2024, 08:38:52 PM

Therefore, I would say that there was not such a big impact on the pace of posts on the forum.

Since majority of mixer campaign members moved to other campaign, that's really not a surprise.

Quote from: Medusah on January 06, 2024, 03:46:35 PM

I do not believe this new policy changed their income dramatically.

Dramatically no, but change is noticeable and probably will be even more in the long run as mixer campaigns were traditionally the most paid ones. Still, even with the mixer ban situation is much better than it was few years ago when standard payrate was $50 per week for a Legendary member.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

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I do not believe this new policy changed their income dramatically. From a quick search, there is jambler, exch, yours, wasabi and probably more. They are all paying more than a hundred bucks per week. From the popular, is it mixtum, sinbad and mixerio which suspended their operations? No big deal.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community? I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.

Well, looking at the ninjastic.space graphs and without doing much math, the data looks very similar to previous weeks:

Therefore, I would say that there was not such a big impact on the pace of posts on the forum.

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And here I was hoping and expecting the number of low quality posts and spam to decrease substantially. If any campaign is rewarding participants to post with up to 60 posts per week then I think the full effect of the mixer ban will not be visible when it comes to numbers of post or assessing low quality posts and spam.

With mixers now banned it will leave many members searching for campaigns. How many will continue frequenting the forum if they do not get paid for posting? That also should become apparent within a short space of time.

Quote from: FatFork on January 05, 2024, 04:46:42 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community? I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.
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I guess the typical number of posts per day or week won't change that much, long as stuff like Bitvest and Eloncoin campaigns keeps going. Those reward up to 60 posts per week! There might be a little drop off, but probably not significantly. All participants doing the mixer campaigns seemed active and engaged posters. So they shouldn't have trouble getting into new signature campaigns if they ain't already.

As for other impacts, hard to say just yet. Too early to make any real judgements on that.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2024, 04:20:21 PM

Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community? I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all.
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I guess the typical number of posts per day or week won't change that much, long as stuff like Bitvest and Eloncoin campaigns keeps going. Those reward up to 60 posts per week! There might be a little drop off, but probably not significantly. All participants doing the mixer campaigns seemed active and engaged posters. So they shouldn't have trouble getting into new signature campaigns if they ain't already.

As for other impacts, hard to say just yet. Too early to make any real judgements on that.

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Anybody compiling any stats about how this change has already effected the community? I'm curious if the amount of posts per day is down at all. I'm also curious what the result for mixer signature campaign participants is. Did they just move to other signature campaigns and continue their posting habits or did they leave the site altogether? Has new account registrations been effected? Are signature campaign managers being flooded with new requests? Rather than continue to beat a dead horse about no longer allowing them to advertise on the basis of money laundering, I think it would be more useful to start to analyze the effects of this decision (on the community, not the mixers).

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 05, 2024, 02:46:27 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on January 04, 2024, 02:53:04 PM

So, like I say Coca-Cola, I don't generate any traffic for that company. But, if I say Coca-Cola, I will generate traffic for that company.
_{(I'm not trying to advertise)} Cool

But if it's a less well known brand, and Google pops up cocac0la.com, you'll end up on a phishing site.

Yes this is true. But in these fields, it turns out to be a little irrelevant that a wrong link can occur in any case.

I understand the idea that there is no longer a minimally viable place to validate the information.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 04, 2024, 02:53:04 PM

So, like I say Coca-Cola, I don't generate any traffic for that company. But, if I say Coca-Cola, I will generate traffic for that company.
_{(I'm not trying to advertise)} Cool

But if it's a less well known brand, and Google pops up cocac0la.com, you'll end up on a phishing site.

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 04:36:03 PM

They (people) will know how to not fall in a phishing site.

Phishing sites wouldn't exist without people falling for them.

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Quote from: logfiles on January 04, 2024, 06:56:25 PM

I guess it's pointless since all the domains were seized?

True. The clear net website shows the seized image from FBI and only one of the Onion links works but it also shows the seized image once you press Mix. I wonder why they let the website running and only show it once you press Mix however.

Even funnier than that is the Contact page and the About Us link at the bottom leads to The Federal Criminal Police Office of Germany with the text 'Want to earn an honest living in crypto? Visit our career page!'.

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I find it annoying how the Mixer names are word filtered using []s. In one of my PMs 'Webmixer' with a link to the website has been filtered to what now shows as '/en/]Webmixer' due to the []s in '[banned mixer]' which closes the URL code.

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Quote from: paid2 on January 04, 2024, 09:15:28 AM

In any case, it's completely hypocritical : look at this topic which is THE source of all this shit and it isn't even wordfiltered. Roll Eyes

Same with this. Heck, the topic isn't even locked or moved to archival like the other mixer topics. I guess it's pointless since all the domains were seized?

But I expected the ANN to be locked and moved to the archival too just like the others

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 04:36:03 PM

They (people) will know how to not fall in a phishing site. And new mixers are not usually targeted by phishing TLDs.

Yeah, the ones who use mixers probably have some good technical background and they won't fall for the phishing sites in most cases. You're also right the phishers don't really target new mixers because they believe that the users won't use the new mixers. Their main target is always going to be a reputed mixer that has been on the market for quite some time.

Most of the mixers that were on this forum have shifted their threads on another forum. Who knows in future people may find trusted mixers on this forum. The people will always do research before using any of the mixers and as long as their research takes them to a good place then they might not face those phishing sites.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 04, 2024, 02:29:49 PM

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 08:33:11 AM

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.

Searching for the mixer's names will pop up countless phishing sites, so I don't think there's a point to continue this without URLs.

They (people) will know how to not fall in a phishing site. And new mixers are not usually targeted by phishing TLDs.
As long the rules are respected, there's still a use for some. Probably less usefull we can think but let's try it

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If a clearnet site has been seized wordfilter would defeat the object because the site will not be accessible. Also, stating the name of the mixer without posting their URL is allowed. Well, I guess that settles that then. By now all members should be clear on what is allowed to be posted as well as what will get them in trouble (but just wait a while and you will see some very strange questions being asked).

Quote from: theymos on January 04, 2024, 12:14:50 PM

Quote from: paid2 on January 04, 2024, 09:15:28 AM

In any case, it's completely hypocritical : look at this topic which is THE source of all this shit and it isn't even wordfiltered. Roll Eyes

The clearnet site was seized, so there's no need to wordfilter it.

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 08:33:11 AM

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.
Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name?

That's fine. And you can say the names of mixers in posts, unless their name is a URL.

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Quote from: theymos on January 04, 2024, 12:14:50 PM

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 08:33:11 AM

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.
Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name?

That's fine. And you can say the names of mixers in posts, unless their name is a URL.

Quote from: LoyceV on January 04, 2024, 02:29:49 PM

Searching for the mixer's names will pop up countless phishing sites, so I don't think there's a point to continue this without URLs.

But by continuing with the URL, the forum would be generating organic traffic to these mixing sites. The purpose of this measure is for the forum not to be a provider of organic traffic for these sites. Therefore, it ends up being the readers' responsibility to find these sites in the way they find most appropriate for them.

So, like I say Coca-Cola, I don't generate any traffic for that company. But, if I say Coca-Cola, I will generate traffic for that company.
_{(I'm not trying to advertise)} Cool

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 08:33:11 AM

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.

Searching for the mixer's names will pop up countless phishing sites, so I don't think there's a point to continue this without URLs.

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Any chance we can get an update to the subject line to something like ‘Mixers have been banned’ or ‘Mixers to be banned - update now banned’?

I don’t think this will be any type of problem for the forum or its users. I actually think it’s the people selling goods or services that will likely feel the impact of this, as it seems there will be less coins floating around as a result. I still support it though. Had to be done.

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Quote from: paid2 on January 04, 2024, 09:15:28 AM

In any case, it's completely hypocritical : look at this topic which is THE source of all this shit and it isn't even wordfiltered. Roll Eyes

The clearnet site was seized, so there's no need to wordfilter it.

Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 08:33:11 AM

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.
Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name?

That's fine. And you can say the names of mixers in posts, unless their name is a URL.

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Quote from: LeGaulois on January 04, 2024, 08:33:11 AM

I've to read everything again but I'm confused about something.

This topic was considered OK from Theymos POV.
He said something like "we will see how things are going but there's not much problem"
To my understanding, I can continue to update it

What about this one
Should it be locked or I can keep going on it?
As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers.
Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name?

Late but happy new year guys.

Since BitMixList seems to be OK here, neither of your topics should have any problems although it was a good move for you to remove the URLs.

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