Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 51. (Read 23912 times)

I'm curious myself if there were any formal requests or warnings received

It will help to know if the stand of the forum is that mixers are injurious to the public like darknet

non-KYC exchanger converts your BTC to XMR

Theymos, I understand this decision had to be taken to save the forum from alot of accusations in aiding fraudulent activity in the future but what next are we going to ban?

To be clear: not all .onion sites qualify as darknet, right?

How about old avatars? Many inactive and even banned users still have an avatar from a Bitcoin mixer.

How about Scams Bitcoin Mixers List and Services closed:

AFAIK, alts haven't been banned.

To be clear: not all .onion sites qualify as darknet, right? I assume I can still link to non-illegal sites (such as protonmailrmezxxxxxxxxxx.onion). Can you clarify this? I already saw some confusion about it earlier today.

- Hey, how can I gain privacy in Bitcoin?
- Use mixers!
- Cool, which one?
- ....

If tomorrow Gov declare Bitcoin btc as a money laundering source then we will see Bitcoin word in blacklist and also we will change domain??

That is some good part, but there is still some users that will continue their shitpost because its their style life.

Oh well, I guess some people will stop (shit)posting...

Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, linking to mixers will no longer be allowed, just the same as linking to darknet sites is already not allowed.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Starting Jan 1, 2024:
 - Existing mixer announcement topics (and a few topics that have no value without mixer-links) will be locked and archived.
 - Going forward, directing people to mixers in new posts/edits will be totally disallowed, and doing so could lead to a ban. Many mixer URLs will be wordfiltered-out, and if you bypass the wordfilter, then that'll definitely be ban-worthy.
 - Any remaining mixer signatures (etc.) may be deleted. Anyone persisting in advertising mixers will be banned.
 - In most cases, old posts will not be deleted. Nobody should be banned for old posts.

You do not need to go edit/delete your past posts. Links will be automatically wordfiltered-out as of Jan 1, or in a few cases mods will archive or delete posts, but you will not be banned for old mixer-related posts.

It will continue to be OK to discuss mixers in a general sort of way. Just don't direct people to mixers: don't link to a mixer, don't link to a directory with links to mixers, don't tell people to "Google ASDFmixer", don't link to a mixer's telegram, etc.

Definition of a mixer

For clarity, here is a detailed definition of what we mean by a "mixer". Most people know intuitively what a mixer is and don't have to read this.

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users.

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

But I don’t think that advertising for mixers will be completely absent. Links to websites and social networks are prohibited, the word mixer is also prohibited, but in Russia advertising through logos is very often used. Everyone knows what is being advertised, but no one calls it by its real name.

- Any remaining mixer signatures (etc.) may be deleted. Anyone persisting in advertising mixers will be banned.

linking to darknet sites is already not allowed.

Will it come to a time of KYC-mixers?

It is official now, you cannot stay anonymous on the internet

"KYC" and "mixers" in the same sentence makes it sound like an oxymoron.

2) Mixer links in signatures are allowed, but the announcement and deal agreement must be outside the forum (since links in signatures are an individual responsibility)

- Hey, how can I gain privacy in Bitcoin?
- Use mixers!

Would you rather have the entire forum shutdown?

What about?
-To gain privacy of your UTXOs use the Mix function SomeRandom wallet (Non-custodial wallet)?

what if you just point to those functions in our recomendations? That worth a ban?

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

The one thing I'm not quite sure I understand is the KYC part. There are several exchanges that still do not require KYC, even if they aren't allowed to service U.S.-based customers.

I believe this is a wise decision, as governments could shut down the forum because of such services.

Isn't Bitcointalk decentralized forum

where everyone has freedom to talk on any subject even against any government?

I can't tell you but I know this guy who sells drugs and guns, here is his telegram nickname, he will tell you everything about privacy!

Isn't Bitcointalk decentralized forum where everyone has freedom to talk on any subject even against any government?

What will be the punishment if there will be "use mixer" in the post where recipe is discussed? Forum algorithm will get triggered and post deleted?

Now serious question, using word a blender or any other veiled version of mixer will be punished?

He was probably contacted by a fed, or better to say, blackmailed.

Isn't Bitcointalk decentralized forum where everyone has freedom to talk on any subject even against any government?