Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 51. (Read 22945 times)

theymos forgot about avatars in his announcement. He will add this point (point #5), if he sees your post.
Maybe it is included in "Anyone persisting in advertising mixers will be banned." but if it clearly includes avatars too, it's more clearly.

To be clear: not all .onion sites qualify as darknet, right? I assume I can still link to non-illegal sites (such as protonmailrmezxxxxxxxxxx.onion). Can you clarify this? I already saw some confusion about it earlier today.

There's no point. If you want to break the link between input A and output B, any regular KYC Bitcoin exchange will do. Nobody on the planet will know the link, except for the exchange. And they'll keep it for the rest of eternity.

Sure you can, open Tor browser and start over with a new identity.

It depends on who you're hiding from: I'm not allowed to hide my money from government, but I am allowed to not let my barista know I just visited the red light district (for coffee, of course). But I see no point in sending your KYC information to an anonymous party, or even a "known" party if they're hiding in the Cayman Islands.

"Pssst! There's this thing we're not allowed to talk about it, but if you click the link under my post, you can read all about it!"
Nope, that's not going to work.

More like: use different wallets for different purposes. Don't use your long-term hodling for buying coffee, and don't mix your coffee money with your weird fetish money.

I guess it became inevitable to ban mixers, but I didn't expect it to happen this fast. Just 2 days ago someone (a mixer) asked me in PM about the odds of mixers being banned. Things changed fast!

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After CM was kicked off it's top position, many other mixers largely increased their advertising budget, all fighting to be the new #1. This went a lot faster than I expected.

Wallet discussion is expressly not banned.


-Dave

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61981665
Personally, after this post it was clear to me that mixers would soon be blocked. I even saved the link to this post.

But I don’t think that advertising for mixers will be completely absent. Links to websites and social networks are prohibited, the word mixer is also prohibited, but in Russia advertising through logos is very often used. Everyone knows what is being advertised, but no one calls it by its real name.

They will be well except if they become bigger, bigger and big enough to attract too many U.S.-based customers, and they will be under serious investigations, lawsuits then sanctions like mixers.

Mixers are like exchanges too, they can have criminal money come in or U.S-based customers come in, but only is well until a day something big happens, they will be seized, shutdown. In other words, problems are always there and it's just when those problems will become actual problems.

Frankly, it's a welcome development and I believe theymos has tried enough despite the bad news and deeds surrounding mixers.

If you noticed, it was because of this issue that disclaimers are being issued beneath some posts and some of those mixers often put Bitcointalk as their forum on their site. The Bitcointalk which is supposed to uphold the value of Bitcoin itself shouldn't be dragged into the mud by mixers.

The whole month to embrace the reality is however a very good one and shows how considerate theymos is.

Not decentralized. It is centralized, administrated by theymos, or apparently, by the US government. It's theymos' property and yes, he can ban Bitcoin discussions in general if he wants to.

I guess everyone has freedom to talk except if the stuff they want to share put the butts who own this place under some legal troubles.

I know a guy, who knows a guy. Who knows another guy.


(from youtube.com)

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So, just to clear things out. In a month from now, anyone wearing a mixer signature is officially a terrorist!  

Strange day but not entirely surprising. I understand theymos gotta do what he gotta do to first and foremost make sure the forum doesn't get taken down... that would be a real blow to the history of Bitcoin.

The one thing I'm not quite sure I understand is the KYC part. There are several exchanges that still do not require KYC, even if they aren't allowed to service U.S.-based customers.


No, Bitcointalk has never been decentralized. Theymos has done just about as good a job as possible keeping it "free", however. The absence of strict moderation policies make it appear to be decentralized, but it is owned & operated by just a handful of people.

You'll not get banned for discussing about mixers, you'll get banned when you link people to a certain mixer or if you advertise them in the forum, using the word 'mixer' is not prohibited by this announcement.
I think so too, but i am sure he would not say that here. As a 'true' bitcoiner it is hard to accept this situation, it is like accepting that 'mixers are tools for criminals and money laundering', something we have vehemently argued against in this forum.

The Bitcointalk forum isn't decentralized

No , no, no,

It will go like this:
- I can't tell you but I know this guy who sells drugs and guns, here is his telegram nickname, he will tell you everything about privacy!  


DT members can't ban you, did 7 negatives stop you from posting your views around? Nobody gives a crap about them!
But grab your popcorn because unlike that, this might become serious, as anyone who has received coins for their sig from that address (you know which I'm talking about) and has used these abbreviations is going to have his rectal examinations result files handed to the DOJ sooner or later.  


No it's not!
It's run by a single person, it has a domain registrar which can shut it down in an instant, it has a central server, it has mods that can ban you and can delete your posts!
What made you think the forum is decentralized in any way?

Isn't Bitcointalk decentralized forum where everyone has freedom to talk on any subject even against any government?

If tomorrow Gov declare Bitcoin btc as a money laundering source then we will see Bitcoin word in blacklist and also we will change domain??

apologize  for over talked but I learned here that This forum is best place for embracing freedom.

What about?
-To gain privacy of your UTXOs use the Mix function SomeRandom wallet (Non-custodial wallet)?

what if you just point to those functions in our recomendations? That worth a ban?

Well, when they kick the hornets nest, you either gotta run for the hills or chicken out. 😂

Whirlwind was down but it was not seized. It is more like a scam exit with photographed seizure on their website.

It will not affect the forum too much. Before the Chipmixer seizure, there are some short-lasting mixer campaigns but no one can last like 6 months or longer. Chipmixer is the only campaign that lasts many years and after that seizure, we had many mixer campaigns and they have been lasting longer than usual.

So if they are all gone, I think the forum will be back to nearly normal status like days with ChipMixer, not much different.

The forum is bigger than all mixers and the existence of forum is important than appearances of mixers in bitcointalk.

- Hey, how can I gain privacy in Bitcoin?
- Use mixers!
- Cool, which one?
- WTF, you want to get banned sir?

I'm pretty sure theymos understands the situation. He was probably contacted by a fed, or better to say, blackmailed.

Would you rather have the entire forum shutdown?

I agree with him about banning mixers, it really is something super complicated... To manage in the best possible way an environment where there can be infinite variable variations, it is necessary to make decisions, decisions to always maintain coexistence between the most diverse people and ideologies.

Side note, there is also a financial aspect that theymos has to consider.
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-and-justice-department-file-complaint-alleging-environmental-violations-ebay

Ebay may win, they may loose but the cost of fighting it is going to be crazy.
If they come here and attack the forum financially for advertising mixers they may win, they may loose but there will be a cost.

As I posted a couple of minutes ago, theymos's house his rules.

-Dave

What will be the punishment if there will be "use mixer" in the post where recipe is discussed? Forum algorithm will get triggered and post deleted?

Now serious question, using word a blender or any other veiled version of mixer will be punished?

it's a bitter pill 💊 to swallow and if the existence of the forum depends on this decision I guess we have been left with no choice but to take it .

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Good eye...
However history shows that whenever there is a seizure communication with the world/forum usually is halted almost immediately but with Sindad it was different..

TBH, It would be great to hear what is really going on from the horse's mouth considering they are still active and they wanted to give an update on this which might change the course of what's happening...

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Nice work around on this  

The forum being a multinational platform, should everyone go with what works with the US or servers/domain are likely US registered hence this decision?