It’s so good that on a crypto forum where you can praise war, dictators, the murder of civilians, now you won’t be able to pronounce the name of services that perform one of the functions of cryptocurrencies.
Now I feel protected, thank you.
Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 47. (Read 23006 times)
It's a sad day when outright scams (e.g. most of the shitcoining stuff or HYIPs), uber-sketchy (e.g. centralized no-name exchanges), or possibly illegal (e.g. gambling) services can still be advertised but services with actual utility can't, because they could be "gray". Yes, I understand it's more complicated than that.
Well, it is what it is. What strikes me as very odd is the severity of the ban. It sounds like we can't mention any mixer names even in casual/news/discussion context. Like if next year I wanted to say that some xyzmixer is sketchy AF and should be avoided, looks like I can be banned under the new rules.
Well, it is what it is. What strikes me as very odd is the severity of the ban. It sounds like we can't mention any mixer names even in casual/news/discussion context. Like if next year I wanted to say that some xyzmixer is sketchy AF and should be avoided, looks like I can be banned under the new rules.
It's really quite complicated, but maybe one day things will calm down and the new rules will be repealed. I believe that he considered all possible scenarios in this decision, it was really a very difficult decision.
Guys, I had a small confusion. Can anyone give some clarity to it.
As theymos stated mixers and mixing related things will be banned after December. And if anyone try to advertise or talk about it might also be banned (as far as I understood).
So suppose if I say specifically, "I was part of mixtum signature campaign, but after the ban of sinbad I had to move on to different campaign".
Will it get me banned? (Since I indirectly, mentioned a mixer service)
from what I see it's fine, I mean you did not direct people to a mixer, you just mentioned that you used to advertise one and left the campaign when advertising mixers became illegal in the forum. check the quoted part of theymos's post for more clarification.As theymos stated mixers and mixing related things will be banned after December. And if anyone try to advertise or talk about it might also be banned (as far as I understood).
So suppose if I say specifically, "I was part of mixtum signature campaign, but after the ban of sinbad I had to move on to different campaign".
Will it get me banned? (Since I indirectly, mentioned a mixer service)
It will continue to be OK to discuss mixers in a general sort of way. Just don't direct people to mixers: don't link to a mixer, don't link to a directory with links to mixers, don't tell people to "Google ASDFmixer", don't link to a mixer's telegram, etc.
It's a sad day when outright scams (e.g. most of the shitcoining stuff or HYIPs), uber-sketchy (e.g. centralized no-name exchanges), or possibly illegal (e.g. gambling) services can still be advertised but services with actual utility can't, because they could be "gray". Yes, I understand it's more complicated than that.
Well, it is what it is. What strikes me as very odd is the severity of the ban. It sounds like we can't mention any mixer names even in casual/news/discussion context. Like if next year I wanted to say that some xyzmixer is sketchy AF and should be avoided, looks like I can be banned under the new rules.
Edit: theymos posted a revision of the new rules that allows mentioning a mixer (without a url) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63255213
Well, it is what it is. What strikes me as very odd is the severity of the ban. It sounds like we can't mention any mixer names even in casual/news/discussion context. Like if next year I wanted to say that some xyzmixer is sketchy AF and should be avoided, looks like I can be banned under the new rules.
Edit: theymos posted a revision of the new rules that allows mentioning a mixer (without a url) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63255213
The biggest Bitcoin forum has already shot us in the head what's left?
We can't even downgrade this forum to a platform for cooking recipes as now everybody here will be under suspicion for using code language:
This is how a government attack looks like and all that time we thought that bitcoin would survive any gov attacks bla bla bla well... they didn't even put any effort. Imagine what would happen when they ban anything crypto related. Mega fireworks
What wins has the Bitcoin community had over the government?
Well for starters, I think that the Bitcoin network Satoshi bootstrapped is massive F You to the government(s).
Part of me wants to say "Fuck yeah, stick it to the man!", but the world-weary, beaten-down part of me knows that this forum could easily be shut down or hammered into the ground by government agencies much more powerful than the administrator of a website, especially when that government is putting on a show about crypto and money laundering and all sorts of other illegal activities that bitcoin has been associated with since its inception (like the USD, but what government is going to understand that argument?).
Hosting the forum on a US jurisdiction was a wrong move after all. Move the danm thing to NK where the government don't give a fuck!!
Government 1:0 Bitcoin community
You're quite a pessimist 
We have "magic internet money", and can send funds without anyone's permission to anyone we want. I wouldn't say the Bitcoin community has score "0" at the moment. It's much higher.If we start counting H2H scores, we'll see that the government has never lost to the Bitcoin community.
Making Satoshi a ghost, KYC, DEX, developing a Blockchain analysis to mirror all Blockchain transactions, and now cutting off the only method of privacy.
What wins has the Bitcoin community had over the government?
The game isn't over yet. The first goal by the government does not mean that they have won the match. We have plenty of time to come back and beat the Government 
The biggest Bitcoin forum has already shot us in the head what's left?
There is a high chance that account FIODNederland is legit because: The account was created 2.5 hours before fiod.nl published this article, and posted about it 6 minutes after publication. [Quote from archived post, posted by LoyceV]
and theymos cashed their copper membership fee
Just came across this post and now I wonder who would put up that post. I mean the timing that Synchronice mentioned is very interesting, the account being set up as a Copper Member is very interesting, and the likelihood that countless of accounts here work on behalf government agencies is quite high, isn't it?
If we start giving in to every government request and start opposing Decentralisation and privacy on a Bitcoin forum, everything Satoshi established and ideology would be for naught.
That's the worrisome part of it for me, beyond closing all discussions, links and businesses associated with mixers here. What next? Is the forum going to start freezing up each time the government sneezes? Are we going to jettison the decentralisation and anonymity that Bitcoin enlists just to yield to the aspirations of politicians? Trust me, more grounds will be asked for as compromise (directly or indirectly) in the nearest future here if this is achieved now.BTW, why aren't these authorities harassing banks for money laundering too if their claim of seizing mixers is to prevent money laundering? I know what theymos is trying to do here is taking a preventive measure to save the forum but I also know that this isn't likely going to be the last of government wanting more grounds to be shifted.
This is, indeed, sad.
I'm curious myself if there were any formal requests or warnings received
We've received no warnings or requests to change policy from law enforcement regarding mixers.
That's reassuring to know. Thank you.
Guys, I had a small confusion. Can anyone give some clarity to it.
As theymos stated mixers and mixing related things will be banned after December. And if anyone try to advertise or talk about it might also be banned (as far as I understood).
So suppose if I say specifically, "I was part of mixtum signature campaign, but after the ban of sinbad I had to move on to different campaign".
Will it get me banned? (Since I indirectly, mentioned a mixer service)
As theymos stated mixers and mixing related things will be banned after December. And if anyone try to advertise or talk about it might also be banned (as far as I understood).
So suppose if I say specifically, "I was part of mixtum signature campaign, but after the ban of sinbad I had to move on to different campaign".
Will it get me banned? (Since I indirectly, mentioned a mixer service)
And another thing, what exactly was the meaning of last line of theymos, that platforms providing privacy services along with other features are allowed here? That's why icopress said this?
Just asking.
In case anyone missed it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mixers-to-be-banned-5476162
Cheers, everyone. It was fun while it lasted. My sincere thanks to icopress and UniJoin (soon to be redacted, I assume).
Yes, I hope UniJoin will add a non-custodial wallet soon. Cheers, everyone. It was fun while it lasted. My sincere thanks to icopress and UniJoin (soon to be redacted, I assume).
Just asking.
Well I was also wondering on this specially coin-join because as far as I know CoinJoin is also a privacy-enhancing technique. It combines multiple payments from different sources or users into a single transaction, right? which like mixers also makes it harder to trace the origin and destination of each coin.
However Non-custodial wallets are different, in non-custodial wallets you have full control and ownership of your private keys. Like hardware wallets or a software wallet like Electrum.
There is a mixing technique which is 100% KYC- free, namely
Friendly reminder that talking about this unlawful criminal terrorist immoral service will be banned from Jan 1st, so my advice would be reconsider encouraging criminal genocidal nefarious behaviors on this peaceful forum and limit yourself to gambling, drugs and community friendly topics like:
God smiles when Americans die, 2(now 3) more U.S. mass shootings
LE:
Oh F***, I forgot, is sarcasm still allowed?
Are you all saw now that how much this forum is decentralized?
Yeah, now do you have an alternative to offer or you know only how to fork a coin and scam people without actually spending anything of your own? I guess you lack originality in every area, you don't even have a forum, you are leeching on this one. Everyone has to start from somewhere, you betrayed Bitcoin by forking, scamming people, and theymos is about to betray Bitcoin's community by being a good boy.🤐
There is a high chance that account FIODNederland is legit because: The account was created 2.5 hours before fiod.nl published this article, and posted about it 6 minutes after publication. [Quote from archived post, posted by LoyceV]
They probably paid the membership fee to post that damn pic lmao
Otherwise they'd look like noobs
Another thing is, Vod might be right. (he specifically said that this community is being observed for a long time) The Feds are among us
At this point the forum may not survive for long just sayin
This community has been under the radar for quit a while, and I know places (like stake.com and nonakip's employer) are going to be taken down by the criminal investigation that follows.
R.I.P stake.com is next.
I read almost every reply till now on this thread and agreed with this decision, Let's face the dark night to see another shining morning. Ups and downs will always be there in our life (bitcointalk) Well, I am still hoping for them to be continued (only the ones which are not ML) but it is what it is and now we have to face the night.
And another thing, what exactly was the meaning of last line of theymos, that platforms providing privacy services along with other features are allowed here? That's why icopress said this?
Just asking.
And another thing, what exactly was the meaning of last line of theymos, that platforms providing privacy services along with other features are allowed here? That's why icopress said this?
In case anyone missed it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mixers-to-be-banned-5476162
Cheers, everyone. It was fun while it lasted. My sincere thanks to icopress and UniJoin (soon to be redacted, I assume).
Yes, I hope UniJoin will add a non-custodial wallet soon. Cheers, everyone. It was fun while it lasted. My sincere thanks to icopress and UniJoin (soon to be redacted, I assume).
Just asking.
3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users.
So what's next?Are you going to ask all members to perform KYC on bitcointalk?
There are plenty of legit websites you can use without kyc, virtual cards, vpn services, casinos, etc.
Are you all saw now that how much this forum is decentralized?
Calm your tits, no one that knows how forums work thought that bitcointalk is decentralized.Just the other day after what has happened with Sinbad I speculated on our local board that theymos might ban mixer campaigns all together if this practice of mixers getting busted continues but I didn't expect him to act on it so fast. It sucks big time, but it is what it is.
"KYC" and "mixers" in the same sentence makes it sound like an oxymoron.
Agreed.
There is a mixing technique which is 100% KYC- free, namely JoinMarket.
This is in fact a decentralized mixer that works on the maker-taker principle. Makers provide liquidity for mixing while takers consume it.
One can act as both a maker and a taker at the same time, and earn money.
Commissions depend on the filling of the order book and market conditions.
A good interface for JoinMarket is Jam ..
Current order book:
Quote from: https://nixbitcoin.org/orderbook/
Government 1:0 Bitcoin community
The game isn't over yet. The first goal by the government does not mean that they have won the match. We have plenty of time to come back and beat the Government
theymos what next? Non-KYC casinos and DEX Exchanges getting the hammer soon? Because the government do not have control over them?
It's bitcoin as told by theymos already.
Maybe Bitcoin will be banned in the US someday, and then I'll have to either shut down bitcointalk.org or find a way of moving it to some remaining territory of freedom in the world. That's the problem with centralized forums.
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