Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 52. (Read 22945 times)

That's been handled by a DT weasel already. 😂 you just haven't paid enough attention.

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Bitcoin is the best tool to fight for financial freedom, and CEX is just a legal money washing machine, they are too stupid to figure it out.
When theymos realized people are plotting to overthrow him, he decided to take action and buy the favors of govs.😉

I can suggest a compromise. Unless you receive a legal request, as of January 1, 2024:

1) All mixing services, ads, and links will be blocked and everything will be filtered.
2) Mixer links in signatures are allowed, but the announcement and deal agreement must be outside the forum (since links in signatures are an individual responsibility)
3) If you receive any official request to ban a mixing service or it becomes illegal, mixers will be banned from signatures.
4) If blenders become illegal in the United States, mixers ads in signatures will be banned.

This way, you will avoid any illegal liability on the forum and people will seriously start to stop advertising mixing services.

Law enforcement agencies start hiring graphics designers too  

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1933#:~:text=Sinbad%20is%20believed%20by%20some,from%20customers%20of%20Atomic%20Wallet.

I think this is quite insightful. It seems it has not yet been seized, but been put on a list for sanctions and everyone interacting with the sanctioned entity is facing massive trouble! Read the whole part about Sinbad.

Before now, i know only that forum staffs were no allowed to participate in any mixer promotion, now it has escalated to all members of the forum being affected, the question is that, are mixers intended for the same purpose the government see them to be or they are only using this to threat the bitcoin network and user's privacy, because even without the use of mixers, fraudulent activities were still ongoing both in cryptocurrency and fiat, why the bitcoin being pronounce, what about the altcoins we often called shitcoins, aren't they worst than just an ordinary service that protect human financial privacy.

That's sad.

But it seems a massive FUD is around us. Sinbad claims they are not seized. This is what they posted in their telegram.


And this is what was posted by someone else;


But the reason to believe the seizure is this; https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/

I ask myself that question, too. What about services like changelly.com? You could essentially create privacy with going the BTC->XMR way. But maybe the plan is to ban XMR from being traded on any licensed exchange, which would make it more difficult for users seeking privacy to turn their XMR into cash in a simple way.


lol! It's not really funny because stompix is sadly right.

I have one great idea for a product, security cameras that don't film people's faces!  
Why would you use a mixing service that requires KYC when you could simply use an exchange?


I have a feeling it's going to be easier to discuss about making a bomb than how to mix some coins.
And speaking of that, just to know it in advance, since you banned mixers because of the US government stance on them and designating them as tools to help terrorists organizations, is the Politics and Society board going to be next to be censored?


Signatures!

It is an interesting question and many of us are curious about it too. I know only theymos can answer but I think it would most probably have been a pre-emptive move by him in order to disassociate from mixers because negative publicity is not going to help with the longevity of the forum.

Well, it was coming and it happened after the Sinbad issue. I know this ban will affect a good amount of members associated with signature campaign but it is better to be safe than suffer. A practical and hard decision taking by Theymos at the right time. It is still not illegal but the possibility of declaring it illegal is becoming certain day by day.

Mixers are a source of getting complete privacy on Bitcoin network but with time they have become a way to encourage criminal activities. The forum needs to be protected first and the decision taken today proves it. Nothing is above the forum and today we might lose a good amount of revenue but in time we will gain more.

Whatever you said is right but think for a moment that you are Theymos and you are the owner of the forum. Try to put yourself in the shoes of theymos and then rethink.

Why would you risk yourself for advertising something which may cause trouble in the future? Yeah, from the forum's users point of view, this may not be a popular decision, but from the forum admins, they have the right to save themselves and their forum first.

Theymos, I understand this decision had to be taken to save the forum from alot of accusations in aiding fraudulent activity in the future but what next are we going to ban? Will crypto non KYC casinos be next as they too can be used for mixing. The government are winning and there's nothing we can do about it. It's sad that one of the most rewarding service on the forum that pays their participants a decent amount of money is going away. I guess we'll return to the casinos taking over the forum. Mixers were associated with Bitcoin and it was nice seeing them around as it remembered us of privacy. I didn't use a mixer until I say an advert of one on the forum and currently promoting one because of their usefulness. It's just sad that we're killing privacy everyday.


Where's the privacy going to be when you have already submitted your kyc that can be access by hackers or the government whenever they want to. The point is the government wants to monitor everything so services that makes it difficult for them to know what is going on is a threat to them and they're try to eliminate them on time and not give them similar doubts they did to Bitcoin and see where Bitcoin is today (impossible to kill). I also see things heading the way of kyc-mixes as the government is okay with privacy that's under their supervision.

Whirlwind, you mean.

But yeah, it was fun while it lasted.


"KYC" and "mixers" in the same sentence makes it sound like an oxymoron.

I'm curious myself if there were any formal requests or warnings received, regardless, it is the safest move for the forum and its members, so not a bad decision. IIWII.

First Chipmixer then the other one (forgot the name) and now Sinbad is going down. I knew they weren't gonna let that shit go. It is official now, you cannot stay anonymous on the internet or anywhere else.

Be glad that you can still own assets, for now.

By 2030, no privacy, no private assets.


XMR's days are also numbered imo

I would think 1a says that it would be an incidental use of the exchange so it would be fine.
But, I can also see this being a slippery slope and having more exchanges that just do BTC->XMR advertised.

Shrug, it is what it is. We don't have to like it but it's theymos's house so his rules.

-Dave

OK, like I knew this was coming, this was exactly what I had in mind this morning after I did a small research on the recently sanctioned mixer, I made started a thread on this here actually https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sanctioned-services-and-the-service-traceability-to-this-forum-any-danger-5476169

And I Clearly was typing when theymos posted this thread, anyone can confirm this from the time difference, I knew that mixers may some how get this forum into trouble some day if something was not done about it, and I am very glad that theymos agrees with me on this  .

I don't understand why you're only censor the centralized mixer, when any kind of other privacy ways e.g. Coinjoin, Swap, and Monero can be used to achieve privacy.

Just to be clear, will you give permanent banned or temporary banned? it seems to much for permanent banned.

Sadly, this will decrease the forum traffic except there are more other projects want to launch signature campaign.

For clarity, are mixers "looking" grayer or is the government placing the spotlight on them highlighting the illegal transactions that went through them and then amplifying that using the media?

It will help to know if the stand of the forum is that mixers are injurious to the public like darknet and should not be promoted or that due to the intervention of authorities the forum cannot legally allow mixers to be promoted here.

Also if another privacy enhancing service gets the same spotlight is there a chance that will be blacklisted here too?

- Jay -

Regulatory pressure from governments is ramping up worldwide. The US especially seems motivated to crush exchanges & I think they would take an even stronger attitude towards mixers. It’s sad because mixing is not illegal but I understand why theymos has taken this action. He can not & should not need to risk the very existence of this forum, just to allow mixers to advertise here. Nobody wants cease & desist notifications from law enforcement so theymos, I salute you.