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Topic: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] First Urea Commodity Token: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea - page 193. (Read 227157 times)

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You have made insults in your first reply to me before you had managed to bring in the reason. College or not - you suck Smiley

Oh, so you have learned all of this in COLLEGE?... That figures. You have just plagiarized my post right next to it. That's right about all that a COLLEGE can teach.

Look here, I'll offer further clarification for those of you who just don't get it. The contract is for 12500 metric tonnes of urea. NOWHERE does it specify that that must be a single shipment. It could be broken up into 3,000 smaller loads. Fact is there may never be confirmation of a shipment. Knowing what I do about business in general, with my manufacturing experience, and what I have learned in college about HOW to conduct business, and my years in logistics, and retail, dealing with wholesalers, I feel confident in supporting this venture. If you require ironclad proof, you're not cut out for trading- it's gambling made legal, that's all. I am posting my opinion based on as much reason as I can muster. Take my advice or don't. Don't risk more than you can afford, that's all. If the coin went to 300 tomorrow, I'd make about 18k.
I play the game with what I can afford to lose, just like poker or the lottery. I'm in this one. If nobody else is, well then, fuck me and I'll live with it. If it does succeed, then maybe I'll get a little recognition which I can parlay into political support to make REAL change. That's my position.

I have 45 credits of business school from 1990. Along with 20+ years of real world experience. Feel free to debate with me friend. I learned how college works, I didn't blindly adopt the dogma. Try to fault my logic or overcome my critical thinking instead of making belittling  emotional appeals designed to draw an angry response.

P.S.: Don't feed the trolls - optional. Don't troll a troll - required.

I think it's quite clear who the aggressor is here.. Anyway, I've said what I had to say, so I'm silent now. I'm done.
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@hobopete, @Cryptourologist , kiss and make up already, will ya guys?
You two are clearly very intelligent and experienced guys, so let's do away with any unpleasantness.
For now, let's take a deep breath and laugh at Brazil: http://imgur.com/fUostqs
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the link in the last post of the previous thread is useless Smiley  it needs to be updated to this thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7796804
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You have made insults in your first reply to me before you had managed to bring in the reason. College or not - you suck Smiley

Oh, so you have learned all of this in COLLEGE?... That figures. You have just plagiarized my post right next to it. That's right about all that a COLLEGE can teach.

Look here, I'll offer further clarification for those of you who just don't get it. The contract is for 12500 metric tonnes of urea. NOWHERE does it specify that that must be a single shipment. It could be broken up into 3,000 smaller loads. Fact is there may never be confirmation of a shipment. Knowing what I do about business in general, with my manufacturing experience, and what I have learned in college about HOW to conduct business, and my years in logistics, and retail, dealing with wholesalers, I feel confident in supporting this venture. If you require ironclad proof, you're not cut out for trading- it's gambling made legal, that's all. I am posting my opinion based on as much reason as I can muster. Take my advice or don't. Don't risk more than you can afford, that's all. If the coin went to 300 tomorrow, I'd make about 18k.
I play the game with what I can afford to lose, just like poker or the lottery. I'm in this one. If nobody else is, well then, fuck me and I'll live with it. If it does succeed, then maybe I'll get a little recognition which I can parlay into political support to make REAL change. That's my position.

I have 45 credits of business school from 1990. Along with 20+ years of real world experience. Feel free to debate with me friend. I learned how college works, I didn't blindly adopt the dogma. Try to fault my logic or overcome my critical thinking instead of making belittling  emotional appeals designed to draw an angry response.

P.S.: Don't feed the trolls - optional. Don't troll a troll - required.
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My post seems to have gone missing for some reason. Let's do it once more...

Not to troll or FUD, but why does a multi-million dollar corporate alliance need donors to come up with (relatively) puny 10BTC to expand their userfrendliness. I'm not a whale and I could only commit 2BTC to a proof of urea purchase and delivery. After all, when (if?) that irrefutable proof comes in I'll make much more on URO. Yet, even to me, 10BTC is not that much...

My train of logic is that even though the 4 companies are backing and supporting URO. They cannot be seen as directly funding it. It is in everyone's interest that URO remains an independent community that is not directly funded by any third party but by the community and it's supporters. This would be very important to get other suppliers to sign on in the future.

We, the miners and the traders, are funding uro. the commodity backing is only to sustain confidence in the coin, that it will hold value in the future. If we, the traders, declare that it has value by not dumping for small gains, but investing carefully and recovering our initial investment by taking a small percentage of our early holdings as a gain in the short term, while holding the majority for the long term, the coin has real potential. if you sell 10% every time it doubles, you will create opportunity for new investors while recovering your initial investment. Then hold the rest and let it thrive. Pump and dump only works if you dump. It's the traders that do it, not the devs. The devs just take advantage of it. We're the real selfish scumbags, if you want honesty, which I'm sure you don't.
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I am CEO of BlockCypher (Catheryne Nicholson). I am posting this as an official statement from our company:

We at BlockCypher have agreed to host the Urocoin block chain on BlockCypher's infrastructure. This allows the Uro Foundation to leverage BlockCypher's platform and APIs. In return, the Uro Foundation has agreed to compensate BlockCypher for the development and hosting cost for their block chain.

We understand startups have to fight uphill for an ideal they believe in. We also believe in the opportunity for digital coins to back commodities. In that spirit, we are helping the Uro Foundation with the platform piece. BlockCypher's infrastructure was designed to host a multitude of block chains. What we are helping Uro with aligns with our vision of a world with multiple digital coins.

BlockCypher holds itself to the highest standards of integrity and transparency. Should it come to our attention that illegal activity or trade, gross misrepresentation, or outright theft has occurred, BlockCypher reserves the right to take appropriate action.


I think many are unaware of what this deal truly means and its significance Uro.
Essentially, this provides a cloud-based platform that ensures easy scalability of Uro-related infrastructures - from payments systema and online wallets to exchanges and other block chain applications. Blockcypher's multisig API also provides a greater level of security for service providers and end users.

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I am CEO of BlockCypher (Catheryne Nicholson). I am posting this as an official statement from our company:

We at BlockCypher have agreed to host the Urocoin block chain on BlockCypher's infrastructure. This allows the Uro Foundation to leverage BlockCypher's platform and APIs. In return, the Uro Foundation has agreed to compensate BlockCypher for the development and hosting cost for their block chain.

We understand startups have to fight uphill for an ideal they believe in. We also believe in the opportunity for digital coins to back commodities. In that spirit, we are helping the Uro Foundation with the platform piece. BlockCypher's infrastructure was designed to host a multitude of block chains. What we are helping Uro with aligns with our vision of a world with multiple digital coins.

BlockCypher holds itself to the highest standards of integrity and transparency. Should it come to our attention that illegal activity or trade, gross misrepresentation, or outright theft has occurred, BlockCypher reserves the right to take appropriate action.



This is great! Thx for your support.
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regarding alibaba:

most listing are not manufacturers but trade companies with small amount of employees your talking about. They are the middlemen in the export market, helping find buyers and negotiating terms with companies. Generally, you really have to weed through many listings to get to manufacturer source. Over the years though, manufacturers have increased presence on the trade websites like alibaba etc. Due to manufacturing constraints depending on industry, large minimum orders are standard for manufacturing b2b trade.

lived in china 3 years sourcing and exporting ceramic to ME/North Africa market. For ceramic manufacturers, min orders are for 3 Heavy Duty Containers each carrying approx 25tons of cargo. This represents the cost/efficiency of producing a specific item/order on a production line where costs increase by stopping the line for each new product/order (changing the paint screens/compression, setup etc). Each tile design is 3container min im saying.

12500 tons of urea seems alot, but as others have pointed out bulk freight (open ships) are used for many commodities including lumber etc. Also you have to suspect urea production is all demand market; you need to secure purchase orders to sustain manufacturing. Or Urea manufacturers will resort to production of ammonia based products if market price is too low (according to this study http://marketrealist.com/2013/12/2-key-things-set-floor-ceiling-urea-prices/  )

my project is to contact a friend in china to connect with commodity traders for information and financing



+1 we need to here more from guys like you and foerester, people who actually have EXPERIENCE in this industry and can reflect on how URO can revolutionize b2b business, not to teenage kids who dump crypto for steam games or beer money.

EXACTLY!! That is most of the industry, and the 12500 tonnes is necessary to get the price that their commission is based upon, leaving a sufficient profit for the firm. That's how capitalism works, you make a deal that gives profits for everyone involved.
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My post seems to have gone missing for some reason. Let's do it once more...

Not to troll or FUD, but why does a multi-million dollar corporate alliance need donors to come up with (relatively) puny 10BTC to expand their userfrendliness. I'm not a whale and I could only commit 2BTC to a proof of urea purchase and delivery. After all, when (if?) that irrefutable proof comes in I'll make much more on URO. Yet, even to me, 10BTC is not that much...

My train of logic is that even though the 4 companies are backing and supporting URO. They cannot be seen as directly funding it. It is in everyone's interest that URO remains an independent community that is not directly funded by any third party but by the community and it's supporters. This would be very important to get other suppliers to sign on in the future.
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Oh, so you have learned all of this in COLLEGE?... That figures. You have just plagiarized my post right next to it. That's right about all that a COLLEGE can teach.

Look here, I'll offer further clarification for those of you who just don't get it. The contract is for 12500 metric tonnes of urea. NOWHERE does it specify that that must be a single shipment. It could be broken up into 3,000 smaller loads. Fact is there may never be confirmation of a shipment. Knowing what I do about business in general, with my manufacturing experience, and what I have learned in college about HOW to conduct business, and my years in logistics, and retail, dealing with wholesalers, I feel confident in supporting this venture. If you require ironclad proof, you're not cut out for trading- it's gambling made legal, that's all. I am posting my opinion based on as much reason as I can muster. Take my advice or don't. Don't risk more than you can afford, that's all. If the coin went to 300 tomorrow, I'd make about 18k.
I play the game with what I can afford to lose, just like poker or the lottery. I'm in this one. If nobody else is, well then, fuck me and I'll live with it. If it does succeed, then maybe I'll get a little recognition which I can parlay into political support to make REAL change. That's my position.

I have 45 credits of business school from 1990. Along with 20+ years of real world experience. Feel free to debate with me friend. I learned how college works, I didn't blindly adopt the dogma. Try to fault my logic or overcome my critical thinking instead of making belittling  emotional appeals designed to draw an angry response.
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Oh, so you have learned all of this in COLLEGE?... That figures. You have just plagiarized my post right next to it. That's right about all that a COLLEGE can teach.

Look here, I'll offer further clarification for those of you who just don't get it. The contract is for 12500 metric tonnes of urea. NOWHERE does it specify that that must be a single shipment. It could be broken up into 3,000 smaller loads. Fact is there may never be confirmation of a shipment. Knowing what I do about business in general, with my manufacturing experience, and what I have learned in college about HOW to conduct business, and my years in logistics, and retail, dealing with wholesalers, I feel confident in supporting this venture. If you require ironclad proof, you're not cut out for trading- it's gambling made legal, that's all. I am posting my opinion based on as much reason as I can muster. Take my advice or don't. Don't risk more than you can afford, that's all. If the coin went to 300 tomorrow, I'd make about 18k.
I play the game with what I can afford to lose, just like poker or the lottery. I'm in this one. If nobody else is, well then, fuck me and I'll live with it. If it does succeed, then maybe I'll get a little recognition which I can parlay into political support to make REAL change. That's my position.
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regarding alibaba:

most listing are not manufacturers but trade companies with small amount of employees your talking about. They are the middlemen in the export market, helping find buyers and negotiating terms with companies. Generally, you really have to weed through many listings to get to manufacturer source. Over the years though, manufacturers have increased presence on the trade websites like alibaba etc. Due to manufacturing constraints depending on industry, large minimum orders are standard for manufacturing b2b trade.

lived in china 3 years sourcing and exporting ceramic to ME/North Africa market. For ceramic manufacturers, min orders are for 3 Heavy Duty Containers each carrying approx 25tons of cargo. This represents the cost/efficiency of producing a specific item/order on a production line where costs increase by stopping the line for each new product/order (changing the paint screens/compression, setup etc). Each tile design is 3container min im saying.

12500 tons of urea seems alot, but as others have pointed out bulk freight (open ships) are used for many commodities including lumber etc. Also you have to suspect urea production is all demand market; you need to secure purchase orders to sustain manufacturing. Or Urea manufacturers will resort to production of ammonia based products if market price is too low (according to this study http://marketrealist.com/2013/12/2-key-things-set-floor-ceiling-urea-prices/  )

my project is to contact a friend in china to connect with commodity traders for information and financing

+1 we need to here more from guys like you and foerester, people who actually have EXPERIENCE in this industry and can reflect on how URO can revolutionize b2b business, not to teenage kids who dump crypto for steam games or beer money.
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I am CEO of BlockCypher (Catheryne Nicholson). I am posting this as an official statement from our company:

We at BlockCypher have agreed to host the Urocoin block chain on BlockCypher's infrastructure. This allows the Uro Foundation to leverage BlockCypher's platform and APIs. In return, the Uro Foundation has agreed to compensate BlockCypher for the development and hosting cost for their block chain.

We understand startups have to fight uphill for an ideal they believe in. We also believe in the opportunity for digital coins to back commodities. In that spirit, we are helping the Uro Foundation with the platform piece. BlockCypher's infrastructure was designed to host a multitude of block chains. What we are helping Uro with aligns with our vision of a world with multiple digital coins.

BlockCypher holds itself to the highest standards of integrity and transparency. Should it come to our attention that illegal activity or trade, gross misrepresentation, or outright theft has occurred, BlockCypher reserves the right to take appropriate action.


Thanks for stopping by!  Smiley


thanks for this
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regarding alibaba:

most listing are not manufacturers but trade companies with small amount of employees your talking about. They are the middlemen in the export market, helping find buyers and negotiating terms with companies. Generally, you really have to weed through many listings to get to manufacturer source. Over the years though, manufacturers have increased presence on the trade websites like alibaba etc. Due to manufacturing constraints depending on industry, large minimum orders are standard for manufacturing b2b trade.

lived in china 3 years sourcing and exporting ceramic to ME/North Africa market. For ceramic manufacturers, min orders are for 3 Heavy Duty Containers each carrying approx 25tons of cargo. This represents the cost/efficiency of producing a specific item/order on a production line where costs increase by stopping the line for each new product/order (changing the paint screens/compression, setup etc). Each tile design is 3container min im saying.

12500 tons of urea seems alot, but as others have pointed out bulk freight (open ships) are used for many commodities including lumber etc. Also you have to suspect urea production is all demand market; you need to secure purchase orders to sustain manufacturing. Or Urea manufacturers will resort to production of ammonia based products if market price is too low (according to this study http://marketrealist.com/2013/12/2-key-things-set-floor-ceiling-urea-prices/  )

my project is to contact a friend in china to connect with commodity traders for information and financing
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I am CEO of BlockCypher (Catheryne Nicholson). I am posting this as an official statement from our company:

We at BlockCypher have agreed to host the Urocoin block chain on BlockCypher's infrastructure. This allows the Uro Foundation to leverage BlockCypher's platform and APIs. In return, the Uro Foundation has agreed to compensate BlockCypher for the development and hosting cost for their block chain.

We understand startups have to fight uphill for an ideal they believe in. We also believe in the opportunity for digital coins to back commodities. In that spirit, we are helping the Uro Foundation with the platform piece. BlockCypher's infrastructure was designed to host a multitude of block chains. What we are helping Uro with aligns with our vision of a world with multiple digital coins.

BlockCypher holds itself to the highest standards of integrity and transparency. Should it come to our attention that illegal activity or trade, gross misrepresentation, or outright theft has occurred, BlockCypher reserves the right to take appropriate action.


Thanks for stopping by!  Smiley
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Look here, I'll offer further clarification for those of you who just don't get it. The contract is for 12500 metric tonnes of urea. NOWHERE does it specify that that must be a single shipment. It could be broken up into 3,000 smaller loads. Fact is there may never be confirmation of a shipment. Knowing what I do about business in general, with my manufacturing experience, and what I have learned in college about HOW to conduct business, and my years in logistics, and retail, dealing with wholesalers, I feel confident in supporting this venture. If you require ironclad proof, you're not cut out for trading- it's gambling made legal, that's all. I am posting my opinion based on as much reason as I can muster. Take my advice or don't. Don't risk more than you can afford, that's all. If the coin went to 300 tomorrow, I'd make about 18k.
I play the game with what I can afford to lose, just like poker or the lottery. I'm in this one. If nobody else is, well then, fuck me and I'll live with it. If it does succeed, then maybe I'll get a little recognition which I can parlay into political support to make REAL change. That's my position.
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I'm not a bird so I don't tweet. That's why I post here. I'll give 2 BTCs for a reasonable proof that Urea had been sold for URO 1 tonne to 1 URO and had been delivered.

You can't send a shipload over the net, sorry. it will be 30-70 days, depending on port of departure, port of receipt, customs clearance, and ground shipment before any verification will be available. In the meantime , please adopt a wait and see attitude. If you need instant gratification, I'm sure there's a McDonald's nearby. And just between you and me, I piss on your 2 BTC. If I had verification, I'd share it right now for free. And if I discovered it was a scam, I'd sell out and then broadcast it to the world. Your 1200 usd isn't going to change anyone's life, fool.

Then I'll wait for 30-70 days. I got time. When I need instant gratification I go to my big-boob next door neighbor. As for changing life... I might as well become the first one who delivers a bounty. It's not much, but it's symbolic. What do you have to deliver? In your reply you have quickly gone from reasoning to insults. First and foremost that means lack of confidence. I invest what I can loose. I only give what I don't mind giving. Yet, it's you who is freaking out for no reason whatsoever.
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I'm not a bird so I don't tweet. That's why I post here. I'll give 2 BTCs for a reasonable proof that Urea had been sold for URO 1 tonne to 1 URO and had been delivered.

You can't send a shipload over the net, sorry. it will be 30-70 days, depending on port of departure, port of receipt, customs clearance, and ground shipment before any verification will be available. In the meantime , please adopt a wait and see attitude. If you need instant gratification, I'm sure there's a McDonald's nearby. And just between you and me, I piss on your 2 BTC. If I had verification, I'd share it right now for free. And if I discovered it was a scam, I'd sell out and then broadcast it to the world. Your 1200 usd isn't going to change anyone's life, fool.
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My post seems to have gone missing for some reason. Let's do it once more...

Not to troll or FUD, but why does a multi-million dollar corporate alliance need donors to come up with (relatively) puny 10BTC to expand their userfrendliness. I'm not a whale and I could only commit 2BTC to a proof of urea purchase and delivery. After all, when (if?) that irrefutable proof comes in I'll make much more on URO. Yet, even to me, 10BTC is not that much...
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This is the most logical thing I have heard so far:
And here is WHY THIS IS NOT A SCAM. IT IS A GIMMICK. This is why you cannot verify a large corporate footprint, and why they have small offices in shabby neighborhoods. The people involved in this are DEALMAKERS. They don't own anything. They don't own the ships, or the factory, or the product, or the warehouse, yet they can deliver. The MINIMUM ORDER QUANTITY is a dead giveaway. They write contracts, net 90 days, and ARRANGE transportation, shipping, warehousing, and end to end delivery on commission. They move all sorts of goods, and Urea was probably chosen because it's far more eco- friendly sounding than iron, or diesel fuel, or oil, or plastics. It also gives the advantage in speech of sounding like "euro" the fiat currency. It's all about creating a self-sustaining market based on CONSUMER CONFIDENCE. Thus, it initially has the feel of a scam, simply because they are trying so hard to inspire confidence. As long as they are executing contracts on a regular basis, they can wait a very long time to cash in without disrupting the market. It's BRILLIANT, and in my opinion, anyway, deserves to succeed. If you need the comfort of the "commodity backing", you have it. I'm staying in and buying more, even with all the FUD. There are some great features upcoming here, and this is suited as well as any to be the first major heir to the bitcoin empire. Part 3 coming up.

props for thinking of this.. sounds very much like what it is.

Research it for yourself. After learning about urea itself, the manufacturing process, and the market, I started with searching urea on alibaba. I then looked for a minimum order quantity of 12500 metric tonnes, which was far above the manufacturer's and wholesaler's minimums. Company info on all of the firms showed small operations, employing 5-50 people, and were listed primarily as transportation companies. From this, I realized that they are firms who arrange end to end shipments without ever handling the goods involved, except for inspections of shipments, and typical terms are net 90 days due to shipping times, and the necessity of making an insurance claim if the goods do not reach port.  As long as they are reliable, they can use one contract fulfillment to pay the previous for quite some time. That's how they live. So yes, it's entirely based on logic, deductive reasoning, and perhaps a slightly higher quality of research, based on answering the how instead of the why.

+1 where have u been during the whole 4 days of fud attacks?  this just sounds reasonable and almost obvious that this is what it is.


I work a lot of overtime, and I'm naturally oblivious.  So it took a while for me to realize that people were feeling manipulated. I then asked "why do so many people think this is a scam? Is it?  So I looked at the evidence and investigated accordingly.
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