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We know how to use a PM system.
That means you'll PM every person with the ability to handle the situation? Or only some of them and hope they are online? Report feature is way faster and more useful for these situations
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Report button in WO should be remapped to OP (infofront currently) or removed entirely and that would take care of this issue.
It shouldn't be removed as people can post malicious stuff in there that would need to be removed quickly. There's been multiple waves of spambots recently and many or posting malicious links so they need to be acted upon ASAP. We know how to use a PM system.
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Love to know by whom. The WO is supposed to be a place where pretty much anything goes. It’s bad form to be reporting stuff in the WO; I hope it isn’t a regular poster there. Reports to the moderators are supposed to be confidential. Yeah, I don't mind sharing what the report was for as people have a right to know it requested and it can help prevent further mistakes either by that user or staff, but who reported it should be left up to the individual if they want to make themselves known. Report button in WO should be remapped to OP (infofront currently) or removed entirely and that would take care of this issue.
It shouldn't be removed as people can post malicious stuff in there that would need to be removed quickly. There's been multiple waves of spambots recently and many or posting malicious links so they need to be acted upon ASAP.
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Mixed results there for the hatless cats.
Thank you once again, theymos, for re-orging the Wall Observer; it's a joy to me, and clearly a few others.
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One should always respect the WO as its the largest thread, very old thread.... and full of bitcoin-historic-heroic moments....
Please do not report anything there... we got infofront taking care of business and tons of regs... who spot things that should be nuked ....
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And my intention was not to harm the WO (never would be). I'm also not complaining about any food since it has become quite amusing and a visualisation of high BTC prices. Great, glad you like the food section of the WO. But when you report a post that you dislike (and gets deleted too), you're actually hurting WO. Is it too hard to understand? WO is not about what you like or dislike. We sort ourselves out, without any need of moderation, a little corner of free expression. Maybe you should try it, instead of shooting like a swaying star. In fact I urge you, to take it up with nullius on the WO. Or with anyone else for that matter. I have my pop corn ready.
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Yeah... please... don't.
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Just my 2 sats. You are not a very good cat; So sad to hear. and your ignorance about Bitcoin is astonishing:
Hey, I haven't ignored Bitcoin. And I've never questioned fluffypony's quotes from your post.
- Newbie protip #1: Read the rules. WTF is it with n00bs who do not read the rules?
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100% agreed. I must emphasize that my opinions are my own. As I have said before, Lauda oftentimes cordially disagreed with me; I am hereby speaking not for her, but only for myself! However, it bears noting that when I make grand pronouncements as if by long experience, it has some greater basis than may be inferred from my activity. It is indeed on the same basis that I have been not infrequently accused of being an alt for an old account—no; my level of knowledge about the forum rises from (0) having on-and-off lurked, especially in Development & Technical Discussion, for years before I registered; and (1) a bit of subsequent initiation into the dark arts of witchcraft. 😼 I totally appreciate your insightful technical posts and your posts about privacy (if you have a look at my post history you'll also find quite a few topics advocating for privacy). Also a reason why I'm not using an ignore button here. In general I'm not using it at all and had no trouble so far. After all it's an discussion forum (with some rules). And my intention was not to harm the WO (never would be). I'm also not complaining about any food since it has become quite amusing and a visualisation of high BTC prices.
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We can pretty much moderate ourselves.
To those for whom nullius posts actually pose a problem, there's the Ignore button -- it works quite well, I should know. I like the off-topic-ness of that thread and appreciate the opportunity to banter with some of the regulars about any subject that is slightly or more interesting.
Am not sure if I ever had a post removed from WO by a mod, ever.
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Merit for coming forward but please don't report WO posts for off topic... Something grave like doxing or plagiarism should be reported but other than that - leave it to infofront to decide and use "Ignore" judiciously.
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Just my 2 sats. Doge sats, obviously. You are not a very good cat; and your ignorance about Bitcoin is astonishing: in opposite your spam walls (whereof 2/3 aren’t even mentioning Bitcoin in a single word; I could argue about the fluffypony post) - Newbie protip #0: fluffypony is (or at some point was?) a self-described Bitcoin maximalist. He oftentimes comments on Bitcoin, especially on Bitcoin privacy and fungibility issues. The fluffy tweet that I posted was specifically and only about Bitcoin—which you would know, if you had actually read it. —By the way, do you know what p2pool and Stratum v2 are? Do you know anything about Bitcoin?
- Reading comprehension protip #0: You should read a post before commenting on it! That was not “a fluffypony post” (!). It cited Riccardo Spagni as a source, because he had been cited by the Russian-language article which gave me a heads-up on an existential threat to Bitcoin, its privacy, and its fungibility. (And that in turn came from the Russian analysis thread, which has much more serious discussion than WO or almost anywhere else in the English-language forum.)
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protip question #1: Who taught you to read, so that you could write with neither reading nor thinking?
Special Wall Observer rules: bitcointalk.org moderators do not moderate the Wall Observer thread for multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling, or on-topicness. Do not use this form to report those violations; instead, contact the thread owner. Reports of other rule violations are OK here. - Newbie protip #2: Lurk more. (← nullius doesn’t do moar cuter spellings.) You don’t know what the WO thread is about.
Original topic title: Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted? (original OP)extremely toxic community Cf.:I’m awaiting positivity So, instead of building what you want, you want to turn the existing thread into something that it is not, and never has been. Instead of advocating that others should file bad-faith reports against the rule stated on the reporting page, why don’t you go make a tempest in a teacup.
Your opinions are duly noted, and filed in “ taken under advisement”. 🗑️
I was amidst much extending this post, when others popped up. inb4 CT re SwayStar, etc. I may edit this space (or post further if the thread gets ahead of me).
In defence of the honour of cats, I should mention that . Despite what I said earlier, I think that Lauda would have made an excellent Wall moderator. I expect that she probably would have deleted somewhat more posts than infofront has; but not unreasonably so, for she understood the Wall! I was paying infofront what was perhaps the highest compliment that I could. Editing in a brief abstract:The “long Lauda story” was directly topical to WO, insofar as my Wall knowledge did not begin when I started actively to post there in March. Once upon a time, the kitty-cat bat-witch first introduced me to WO as part of some private mentoring on “how to do the forum”: Trust system, moderation system, significant forum history, forum culture and etiquette, etc., etc. I may never have even seen WO otherwise: I am not a speculator, so I do not generally venture into the speculation forums. I must emphasize that my opinions are my own. As I have said before, Lauda oftentimes cordially disagreed with me; I am hereby speaking not for her, but only for myself! However, it bears noting that when I make grand pronouncements as if by long experience, it has some greater basis than may be inferred from my activity. It is indeed on the same basis that I have been not infrequently accused of being an alt for an old account—no; my level of knowledge about the forum rises from (0) having on-and-off lurked, especially in Development & Technical Discussion, for years before I registered; and (1) a bit of subsequent initiation into the dark arts of witchcraft. 😼 On a related note: ... judicious ... seriously ... dispassionately ... It is a hint that there is a side of me which may not be perceived from a shallow view of my public posts. I should not need to make that explicit; for anyone with even a modicum of practical wisdom knows that a public persona gives limited information, anyway. Significant edits: Immediately after posting re V8s, about an hour after the fact with elaboration thereupon, and then much later to add some anchor tags.
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Can I just point out that I've never had a post deleted on WO. For anyone that has read them ... well, I'm sure JJG can attest that this means a lot.
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Looks like I was one of those reporting it since hilariousandco said you had a few reports against you. Maybe more people are annoyed but too afraid to speak up because they will get hit by another spam wall. I’ve never reported anything on WO before because there was nothing close of being up for reports but when reading WO with great TA, great stats and a positive attitude to reach new ATHs for BTC, in opposite your spam walls (whereof 2/3 aren’t even mentioning Bitcoin in a single word; I could argue about the fluffypony post) are surely annoying in my opinion. I’ve considered it as obvious off-topic spam and undoubtedly, a moderator shared my view and deleted it. I wasn’t sure if it’ll get deleted, so Kudos to the mod, I’m supporting this move 100%. We have a similar local topic (German) called “ Der aktuelle Kursverlauf” (German WO). Moderation is relatively strict there and I’m always advocating for less moderation there. Even posts which are about Bitcoin but not directly tied to price discussion are frequently deleted there (happened to me once). So, it means a lot that I’ve reported some of your posts (I’m rarely reporting on “Der aktuelle Kursverlauf”). And as said before, I’ve never reported anything on WO before. After all I can’t understand why you are getting so extremely butthurt because someone deleted your spamwalls. ^^ WO is a place where I’m awaiting positivity about Bitcoin, not obvious off-topic spam walls. Just my 2 sats. Decent points, 1miau. Seems reasonable that there should at least be attempts to tie walls of text into bitcoin... and not just by mentioning bitcoin here and there, but substantively. I have been around the WO thread as much as many other forum members, and surely I have witnessed that there are a lot of off-topic rants that are allowed to stay and even endure for days and weeks on end without much if any attempt to remove them - so I am not really sure exactly how disparities would be resolved regarding why some off-topic rants are allowed to stay, while others, such as nullius-type rants that do NOT even attempt to tie in bitcoin, are not allowed to stand - just like with any moderator decision, there may be something about the pervasiveness of the off-topicness rather than merely that off-topicness happens that cause the moderator to conclude that the off-topicness has crossed over some kind of line that is not exactly clear, since we all know that sporadic and even persistent off-topicness is considerably tolerated in WO...
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WO is a place where I’m awaiting positivity about Bitcoin, not obvious off-topic spam walls.
Per sway? I hope it's not too toxic for ya.
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Looks like I was one of those reporting it since hilariousandco said you had a few reports against you. Maybe more people are annoyed but too afraid to speak up because they will get hit by another spam wall. I’ve never reported anything on WO before because there was nothing close of being up for reports but when reading WO with great TA, great stats and a positive attitude to reach new ATHs for BTC, in opposite your spam walls (whereof 2/3 aren’t even mentioning Bitcoin in a single word; I could argue about the fluffypony post) are surely annoying in my opinion. I’ve considered it as obvious off-topic spam and undoubtedly, a moderator shared my view and deleted it. I wasn’t sure if it’ll get deleted, so Kudos to the mod, I’m supporting this move 100%. We have a similar local topic (German) called “ Der aktuelle Kursverlauf” (German WO). Moderation is relatively strict there and I’m always advocating for less moderation there. Even posts which are about Bitcoin but not directly tied to price discussion are frequently deleted there (happened to me once). So, it means a lot that I’ve reported some of your posts (I’m rarely reporting on “Der aktuelle Kursverlauf”). And as said before, I’ve never reported anything on WO before. After all I can’t understand why you are getting so extremely butthurt because someone deleted your spamwalls. ^^ WO is a place where I’m awaiting positivity about Bitcoin, not obvious off-topic spam walls. Just my 2 sats.
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Report button in WO should be remapped to OP (infofront currently) or removed entirely and that would take care of this issue.
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Love to know by whom. The WO is supposed to be a place where pretty much anything goes. It’s bad form to be reporting stuff in the WO; I hope it isn’t a regular poster there. Reports to the moderators are supposed to be confidential. Much though I myself want to know which ovine retard filled with petty spite decided to try to shut me up with false reports (and I can’t help but think to myself a few guesses), I think that I should better leave that knowledge to the forum staff. They should take notice of who makes reports in bad faith, and be guided accordingly. (Edited to add—by way of contrary example: As hilarious can easily verify, I myself am judicious with my reporting. In public discussions, I exercise my right to express myself as I please. Whereas I take mod reports very seriously. I would never report a post in bad faith—let alone ignore a red-lettered note on the reports page, which warns that a report should not be made! Reports should be made dispassionately—and never only, or even primarily on the basis of personal dislike for the author of a post. If I dislike the author of a post that I am reporting, I oft consciously double-check and ask myself what I would do if I didn’t know who wrote it.)
OTOH if it was reported as "off-topic" then the moderator should have looked which thread it's in. I refrained from commenting on this, because I pretty much assumed that an ordinary intelligent moderator handling an “off-topic” report must perforce ascertain what the topic is supposed to be. Thank you for contributing your explanation. Looking at the posts quoted earlier in the thread it looks like [WO] is part of the the post title that nullius created. This may have been a hint—right here, upthread in a thread on which you are commenting: I like to keep things organized. Properly labelled. For the same reason, because WO is special, I retitle my WO posts with a “[WO]” marker. I assume that you saw that. Although you claim to have me on ignore, it would show exceedingly poor judgment to comment on a thread without reading OP, and OP’s responses.
Would love the deleter to explain his or hers reasoning for killing it off. ^^^ Good question. To be clear I am not a fan of nullius, but a good post is still a good post. I will express my due respect for your fairness here, without disclaiming that I am not your fan, either. ;-)
Truly hilariousandco should appreciate your level of "hilariousness", nullius... Indeed. If his name checks out, then he should be one of my biggest fans! That said, this is a serious thread. Much though I enjoy interposing a moment of levity, I share your hope for serious answers here. I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Thanks for the reply. Aren’t “off-topic” reports for WO supposed to be marked as bad by the forum moderators?
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
While that may be the case the one of his I highlighted is on topic and had really good info in it. Would love the deleter to explain his or hers reasoning for killing it off. To be clear I am not a fan of nullius, but a good post is still a good post. I guess I won't know the why of it.
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Do mods see a warning when they try to moderate WO, or do they need to remember that thread ID 178336 has special rules? Well I don't recall ever seeing any before, but in the handled reports section I see they're marked as [WO] which I don't recall seeing before either and that thread isn't showing up in my Show new replies to your posts either even though I'm pretty sure I must have posted it it at some point before. Maybe that thread is ignored to me or something. Looking at the posts quoted earlier in the thread it looks like [WO] is part of the the post title that nullius created. Is that what you're seeing? What I was getting at is if moderators don't get a warning AND the posts are re-titled (don't have "Wall Observer" in the title anymore) then it might contribute to the issue of them not realizing that special rules apply... OTOH if it was reported as "off-topic" then the moderator should have looked which thread it's in.
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Love to know by whom. The WO is supposed to be a place where pretty much anything goes. It’s bad form to be reporting stuff in the WO; I hope it isn’t a regular poster there.
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either even though I'm pretty sure I must have posted it it at some point before
A quick search in the archived posts show that you have no posts in the WO thread; checked both accounts just in case
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Do mods see a warning when they try to moderate WO, or do they need to remember that thread ID 178336 has special rules? Well I don't recall ever seeing any before, but in the handled reports section I see they're marked as [WO] which I don't recall seeing before either and that thread isn't showing up in my Show new replies to your posts either even though I'm pretty sure I must have posted it it at some point before. Maybe that thread is ignored to me or something.
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Thanks for the reply. Aren’t “off-topic” reports for WO supposed to be marked as bad by the forum moderators? The line between WO and Serious Discussion has been quite thin for weeks (and probably from the very beginning, but I've not been active long enough to be able to know with certainty).
Although I had occasionally lurked there before, and some others there are quite serious, it was JayJuanGee’s serious discussion that first attracted me actively to post in WO. He is a legend of the forum’s great Wall—to the extent that some people apparently think that he should be walled up there as JJG’s Dungeon. ;-) Blame the wordy-man for attracting another wordy-man! hahahahaha Truly hilariousandco should appreciate your level of "hilariousness", nullius... in terms of a lack of an ability to take responsibility for your own evil-genius aspirations to topple a wordy man from his petard.
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Do mods see a warning when they try to moderate WO, or do they need to remember that thread ID 178336 has special rules?
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
Thanks for the reply. Aren’t “off-topic” reports for WO supposed to be marked as bad by the forum moderators? Special Wall Observer rules: bitcointalk.org moderators do not moderate the Wall Observer thread for multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling, or on-topicness. Do not use this form to report those violations; instead, contact the thread owner. Reports of other rule violations are OK here. I ask because I do try in good faith to abide by the forum rules. (And if I were to object to a rule in principle, then I would take it up in Meta in an appropriate manner, instead of just violating it—either that, or go get my own forum. This being a private forum, as I remarked in OP hereby.)
The line between WO and Serious Discussion has been quite thin for weeks (and probably from the very beginning, but I've not been active long enough to be able to know with certainty).
Although I had occasionally lurked there before, and some others there are quite serious, it was JayJuanGee’s serious discussion that first attracted me actively to post in WO. He is a legend of the forum’s great Wall—to the extent that some people apparently think that he should be walled up there as JJG’s Dungeon. ;-) Blame the wordy-man for attracting another wordy-man! I think nullius' posts are a category of their own and maybe Serious Discussion > Ivory Tower > Nullius' Dungeon might be a solution to avoid having his posts deleted from the WO in the future. Thanks. Quotable. ;-)
I (YMMV) would try not to make a big deal of it. While we do, indeed, have "special rules" in the WO that gives us some flexibility... the context in which that exception was granted is also important.
Although your points in the rest of your post are well taken, I should highlight again the context of what was deleted here: Three serious posts. One specifically about a Bitcoin issue. One about thought control. And one about censorship on Big Tech social media (and by the way, please also consider the time it took me to craft that post—which I do not want to say). If I were to knock off-the-cuff some funny remark about someone else’s post of a woman in a bikini, and a moderator were to delete it, then I would disagree with that—but do you suppose that I would even take the time to make a Meta thread such as this one? (Again, I do not want to say...)Still I would not make a big deal if one (or several) of my off-topic/shitposts were to be deleted unless the occurrence of it suggested some sort of focused discrimination/censorship.
Although I do not want to speculate on that hereby, it is an unavoidable reality that I am widely disliked. Infofront could go and start removing ALL offtopic posts if he wanted to, as that would be in compliance even with the "special rules".
Indeed. If he were to do that, then I would fire off some scathing remarks about how he ruined WO, and then I would fuck off. But that is not hereby the issue. infofront has, in my opinion, kept the Wall Observer what it is. A huge amount of stuff is thereby posted which I dislike; infofront does not delete it, and he should not. I will even admit that I like his WO policy better than what Lauda’s probably would have been, had she won his position when she was a candidate; Lauda was an excellent staff member, but I think that she would have been too heavy-handed for the Wall Observer.
Also there is literally a board named "Serious Discussion". That's where serious discussion can go without being subject to the uncertainty of a special excempt self-mod thread.
Arguing against my expectation that I can safely post serious discussion outside of the forum named Serious Discussion— are you serious!? I don’t know why anybody takes you so seriously. You are not an administrator, you are not staff, you are not even very smart—well, are are exceptionally skilled at winning popularity contests. You may guess how much weight I accord to popular opinion. Anyway, I do not accept Bitcointalk SV (Suchmoon’s Vision). I am “excempt” from your “rules”. Maybe nullius should stop fucking around with the post titles... seems like a dumb thing to do when you're posting in the one thread that allows bending a few rules. A mod may have made a mistake here but I wouldn't rush to blame them if the post title signals "I'm derailing this thread".
To your idiotic calumny, which you state hereby in the third person only because you are too much of a thin-skinned coward to address me straight to my face, I will simply quote myself: Why I Retitle
I have always retitled posts when I thought that was appropriate. That has never brought any complaints in Development & Technical Discussion, which in my opinion is the most serious forum (yes, more serious than “Serious Discussion”). It has never caused complaints in Bitcoin Discussion, either—n.b. that that link is to me retitling on my own topic, which I assuredly did not wish to “derail”.
Although my retitling of posts is sometimes hostile, that only occurs if the post itself is hostile to OP. As aforementioned, I not infrequently retitle posts in my own threads—and in others’ threads, I oft receive merit from the topic starter on a retitled post. N.b. that that last link is to a post where I rewrote Lauda’s topic title—and Lauda merited me! I have even retitled my posts in the (strictly self-moderated, very authoritarian) Cult of Lauda thread—just in case there was any remaining doubt about “derailing”, or any intention thereof.
My post titles have sometimes been accorded praise in the titles of replies. Other than a few prior not-quite-complaining remarks in WO, the only place where it has brought complaints was in Reputation—from petty-minded nitwits with personal grudges against me, who were searching for an excuse to nitpick. —Now, what was that about suchmoon?
Besides aesthetics, one of the reasons why I often (but not always) set custom post titles is that I use my received merit list as a navigational aid. Indeed, all of the links in the preceding paragraphs were rapidly found just now by hitting Ctrl-F, and typing in keywords that I remembered. I do this almost every day, usually multiple times per day; my most memorable posts often receive merit, and have memorable topic titles, so... Compare the Last of the V8s received merit list, which is more formidable than mine, but—opaque. (I have explained this before somewhere, in PMs and/or publicly; alas, I don’t know where, and I don’t have a handy navigational aid for finding it.)
I like to keep things organized. Properly labelled. For the same reason, because WO is special, I retitle my WO posts with a “[WO]” marker. Where I think it’s appropriate, outside WO, I sometimes retain portions of the original topic title—sometimes not; I determine that by the overall context, whether I agree or disagree with the OP (and even whether I am the OP).
Edit: For those who have not experienced the Wall Observer, have a taste: I sometimes retain... ...sometimes not; I determine that by the overall context, whether I agree or disagree with the OP (and even whether I am the OP).
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I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.
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The line between WO and Serious Discussion has been quite thin for weeks (and probably from the very beginning, but I've not been active long enough to be able to know with certainty). I think nullius' posts are a category of their own and maybe Serious Discussion > Ivory Tower > Nullius' Dungeon might be a solution to avoid having his posts deleted from the WO in the future. Now seriously, I thought it was virtually impossible to have a post deleted from the WO (except for the obvious trolling or spamming). There's probably thousands of other "serious" posts in the WO, so to avoid any discussion or confusion for nullius or any other member in the future, it might be useful to know what the exact reason for deletion was.
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Maybe nullius should stop fucking around with the post titles... seems like a dumb thing to do when you're posting in the one thread that allows bending a few rules. A mod may have made a mistake here but I wouldn't rush to blame them if the post title signals "I'm derailing this thread".
Also there is literally a board named "Serious Discussion". That's where serious discussion can go without being subject to the uncertainty of a special excempt self-mod thread.
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I (YMMV) would try not to make a big deal of it. While we do, indeed, have "special rules" in the WO that gives us some flexibility... the context in which that exception was granted is also important.
By context I mean the time in which we risked losing the WO because of the conflict between its ermmm "ample scope way beyond the OP" and "standard" moderation rules.
Thus, in a genious move, Theymos not only allowed us to propose/elect a new active "OP" but also decided to create that rule as some sort of "patch" that would let the WO-as-we-knew-it to continue its existence under the condition that it would not "become problematic again".
Such "patch" (along with disabling personal signatures to avoid account farmers spamming the thread) did wonders and have allowed to keep enjoying our "little space" for several years already without much problems.
So... consider it what it is (a "patch") and do not expect 100% reliability nor a totally unlimited "license-to-post" offtopic. As you well said, this is a "private forum" in the end.
That being said... Well... Yeah, seems that maybe you crossed your path with an overzelous moderator. Still I would not make a big deal if one (or several) of my off-topic/shitposts were to be deleted unless the occurrence of it suggested some sort of focused discrimination/censorship.
Infofront could go and start removing ALL offtopic posts if he wanted to, as that would be in compliance even with the "special rules". Forum moderators should not... or at least it is not their job anymore (see "special rules") but... well... Shit happens.
Now back to the "important things": $16K again. This is fine.
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Very likely reported by an 'enemy'.
Idiots are free to report all they want. That is why moderators have a neat little widget that marks reports as “bad”. (Or they can just leave borderline reports unhandled; but none of these three posts is anywhere even close to violating forum rules for the Wall Observer.) Mine often got deleted moments after tussling with a high-up scammer. Just maybe by a noob who doesn't know or care for the rules, or a regular who doesn't like your stuff. Snitches lol. Lazy/high handed deletion by mod. Plox restore and mind your own business.
n00bs and angry retards, I can understand. Moderators are supposed to be better than that. I am surprised that you sometimes get posts deleted. I never have in WO—only a few in Reputation, and in the Russian Reputation thread.
Subject: [WO] Blockseer, U.S. OFAC, and attacks on Bitcoin fungibility
Not sure why this one was deleted. Seems like it has relatability to BTC and BTC price. That actually doesn’t matter. As screenshotted in OP here, with red letters and boldface in the original, with my highlighting added: Special Wall Observer rules: bitcointalk.org moderators do not moderate the Wall Observer thread for multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling, or on-topicness. Do not use this form to report those violations; instead, contact the thread owner. Reports of other rule violations are OK here. The topic is infofront’s call. infofront did not delete my posts. As can be seen from the self-moderation banner at the top of every WO page, infofront rarely deletes anything at all; I think that most WO people like it that way. It is a part of the WO appeal as a sort of forum-within-a-forum.
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Very likely reported by an 'enemy'. Mine often got deleted moments after tussling with a high-up scammer. Just maybe by a noob who doesn't know or care for the rules, or a regular who doesn't like your stuff. Snitches lol. Lazy/high handed deletion by mod. Plox restore and mind your own business.
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Subject: [WO] Blockseer, U.S. OFAC, and attacks on Bitcoin fungibilityDeleted Post« Sent to: nullius on: Today at 07:06:49 AM »
... Not sure why this one was deleted. Seems like it has relatability to BTC and BTC price. Hey mods why did you delete this one?
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Subject: [WO] E pur si muoveFor those who do not understand the subject, and its relation to Galileo (discussed below): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pur_si_muove!Deleted Post« Sent to: nullius on: Today at 07:06:43 AM » Twitter is for bird-brains.Dumb twits. Good satire; however, I do need to make some corrections and additions. America is not the world-police!
Evil Empires: “Commie, and very Commie.”
Just had to say it. I don’t see an argument here; I think that Ron Paul would agree with me at least on the “no world police” part, and on the importance of national sovereignty. Pseudo-Paul’s tweet is, of course, deadly correct.
Galileo was not popular.
He stood against not only the Church, but also society itself. Accordingly, he was about as popular as I am: A few intelligent people appreciated him, such as the Medici duke who was his primary supporter at the end of his life; he even had supporters high within the Church. But he was otherwise considered scandalous, and even criminal.
The ignorant modern mind tends to assume that rebelling against the Church was always super-cool. Whereas in 1632, heresy was like racism, sexism, or social class discrimination are today. (n.b.)
Galileo’s wife was so embarrassed and angry at his sins, she burnt his papers after he died. Unknown works of irreplaceable genius were thus irretrievably destroyed. Because: Unpopular. The notion that he would have received 2.3K retweets and 18.6K “likes” is wildly implausible.
Galileo is cancelled.
If Galileo actually said, “But it moves!”, such was the classic protest of a man who attempts to move the world.
Also, per the above, Galileo’s sentencing by the Inquisition occurred in a course of events in 1632–33. He was persecuted in 1615–16 (when Copernicus’ De Revolutionibus was added to the Index Librorum Prohibitorum), so that is not incorrect; but 1633 was when he was actually forced to recant, and condemned to house arrest for the rest of his life. —If the date of 15 May 1615 has a special significance, I don’t know it off the top of my head; accordingly, I would congratulate the satirist for having exceeded me on that particular point.
Paul Revere did not actually say this. And in April of 1775, the American colonists still identified themselves as British. Such use of the term “the British” is a widely revered anachronism.
If Americans were to warn each other of an impending BATF raid today, they would not shout, “The Americans are coming!”
Most of the colonists of early 1775 were proud Englishmen, standing up for the rights accorded to every free British subject by law and custom. Their attitude was not unlike that of the American Patriots who today seek to “restore the Constitution”—who “love their country, but fear their government”.
Although succession from Britain was definitely on the table in early 1775 (cf. Patrick Henry, et al.), it took some time for the increasingly radical British protesters fully to form a separate identity as Americans—socially, culturally, and politically as declared on 2 July 1776 (celebrated 4 July, because Americans are not very good with dates and times). Of course, the Battles of Lexington and Concord marked a major milestone in that process of radicalization; but it must be viewed in its historical context, as indeed the major turning point between the conciliatory attitude of the First Continental Congress, and the rebellious attitude of the Second.
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Subject: [WO] Communism and CovidDeleted Post« Sent to: nullius on: Today at 07:06:51 AM » With quote slightly re-arranged for clarity of reply:Some of this comparison is a bit forced, some holds. At a glance, it is much more true than that. The Communists developed specific methods of brainwashing which, of course, have in varying degrees now been spread far and wide. Awhile back, I actually intended to write something approaching Communism and Covid from another direction, which converges with what you just posted; so... mostly it seems to be about authoritarianism;
I think that that word is way overused and abused. Well, I am an authoritarian. the communism side needs drawing out.
How many pages do you want me to add to the Wall Observer? :-/ so thanks Gott we have a chance of being sovereigns ourselves
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Subject: [WO] Blockseer, U.S. OFAC, and attacks on Bitcoin fungibilityDeleted Post« Sent to: nullius on: Today at 07:06:49 AM » Nullian coredump, Part 1/2. h/t johhnyUA for a link to an article dated 12 November 2020.Red alert: Imminent plans for a mining pool with transaction blacklisting, based on blockchain analysis and, of course, the Diktat of the American world-police OFAC.Does anyone have more info on this? Via the Russian bits.media article, I find that fluffypony thus speaks: https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1326594121797087238fluffypony’s source link (a press release, not a news article—the bits.media article quoted/translated a different part of this):I couldn’t have said it better myself.
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I am not generally wont to complain about moderation; to the contrary, I think that there should be more of it. However, there is a real and perhaps unprecedented problem whereas the following posts, fully reposted below, were deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator (not by infofront) from the Wall Observer:All timestamps are UTC. Listed in reverse chronological order of when each post was made.Note: Due to the ugliness of this forum’s quoting, especially for extended texts, I have broken my posts out of quotes. The moderation PM message, and a correct tag suitable for each original post, are above the unaltered post text from the moderation PM. As I myself recently discovered, there are officially “ Special Wall Observer rules” in bright red letters that would have been seen by whatever anonymous coward reported my posts: Thus, the “on-topicness” of my posts cannot even allegeably be an issue. At this juncture, I observe that: - None of my posts violated those of the forum rules that apply everywhere, including WO. (At a vast stretch, trying to puzzle out what rule I allegedly violated, I have a suspicion about what an idiot hell-bent on rules-lawyering may say about one of them; but that would be ridiculous, and anyway, it could not apply to the other two that were deleted at the same time.)
- All three of these posts contained serious discussion. Whether one agrees with me or not, only a fool would accuse me of shitposting. Anyway, shitposting in WO is not to be handled by the forum moderators (if at all).
- Ironically, one of my deleted posts replied to a satire about the suppression of free discussion by Twitter. Did I perhaps peeve a moderator who wishes to turn this place in Twitter?
- Ironically, one of my deleted posts replied briefly to a list of Communist thought-control techniques (with comparison to government
handling of exploitation of Covid). - One of my deleted posts was about a serious Bitcoin issue, i.e. a new mining pool that does transaction censorship and blacklisting. I believe that this is an existential threat to Bitcoin (as I intended to explain in part 2/2 of my “coredump”). If serious Bitcoin issues cannot be discussed in the Wall Observer, then—I am at a loss for words to complete this sentence.
This is a privately owned forum. If theymos didn’t want me here, he could kick me out with the push of a button. I will not go off into some liberal whine in the manner of “ Help! Help! I’m being repressed!” This is a forum with a high reputation for free discussion. It thus invites the value of “user-generated content”—which I myself usually would never give to any site that I do not own, as a matter of principle (n.b. an argument that would fall flat if propounded by those whose scribblings are not valued by others). And as such, this forum has attracted a community of the type that cannot be found in the sheep-grazing wastelands of Twitter and Facebook. I don’t think I am going out on a limb in positing that some people here will want to know about these deleted posts! For my part, I am usually supportive of the moderators; they have a hard job, and I have no wish to make it harder. However, if I were to say nothing about this publicly, then I would hereafter need perpetually to second-guess myself on whether I have permission to discuss Big Tech censorship (!) and Bitcoin transaction censorship (!!) on this forum. Inter alia.In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. I would feel thus a chill wind blow over my ability to engage in serious discussion here, if I did not place the individual who deleted my posts on notice that I will call out exceptionally stupid moderation decisions.
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