Mods killing an hardware manufacturers poll - page 2.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 28, 2015, 07:34:51 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:32:26 AM

I didn't made up my mind. Please read the thread.
Direct question: Did you delete the poll posts ?

Why? If I say yes, you're just going to focus on me instead of the issue. If I say no, then you are one step closer, through the process of elimination, to finding who did do it so you can pester them.

I'm not looking for a witch hunt. I suggested reasonable solution. Moving the threads from Trash to Acrhival per Theymos guideline and let the poll continue.

What's wrong with this ?

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:32:26 AM

I didn't made up my mind. Please read the thread.
Direct question: Did you delete the poll posts ?

Why? If I say yes, you're just going to focus on me instead of the issue. If I say no, then you are one step closer, through the process of elimination, to finding who did do it so you can pester them.

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Dogie confirmed to me he reported the poll questions thread.
So, no conspiracy theory, but probably a bad judgment call by a moderator. Can those poll questions be revived and move to Archival ?

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 07:17:07 AM

Dogie admitted he reported the poll questions to the moderators.
I kindly ask a global moderator to move the questions threads from Trash to Archival and let the poll continue.

The results until the poll was interrupted by Dogie's actions:

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Here SaltySpitoon, whom Dogie approached to move "Spondoolies Spam" thread from Trash to Meta (Dogie approved it):

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on December 19, 2014, 06:50:54 PM

Moved this into Meta, but I wont touch the issue any further since I'm involved and bias could be unfair.

Quote from: Tupsu on December 19, 2014, 05:29:41 AM

The first free SP20 has been sold.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtswtt-spondoolies-sp20-btc-for-sp3035-897986

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/review-4-spondoolies-sp20-896134

To be fair, I'm planning to upgrade to a SP31/35 (as per the thread wtt request) so not being a total jerk/ingrate in selling/trading it.

And here is Theymos who "don't want to suppress anyone's honest opinion":

Quote from: theymos on December 24, 2014, 03:13:00 PM

The moderation guidelines say:

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Topic creation should not be annoying. There should not be too many topics about the same thing in a short time period, and individuals should not post too many topics. "Too many" depends on the quality of the topics.

If an entire page is taken up by Spondoolies reviews, then that's probably too many topics. How this should be handled is more tricky, since I don't want to suppress anyone's honest opinion. We'll see if ckolivas' locking solution is helpful.

Served to the public as food for thought. I'm still waiting for answers and a bit of transparency about what happened with the poll questions. Dogie stopped talking with me.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 06:37:24 AM

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 27, 2015, 10:16:42 AM

When is the last sale made from bitfury to the general public?

About 6 weeks ago last I checked

Bitfury sold gear 6 weeks ago? Where? To who? A retail consumer/small miner? I'm not being facetious, I would like to know.

Openly on the market. You can [could] drop them a message and find out their MOQ and hardware very openly.

Welcome back Dogie. Have you asked the mods to delete philipma1957 poll questions ?

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- Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
- Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?

Why would we do that? We get hundreds of reports everyday. We can't -and don't have to- send a message to everybody and explain why their post is considered as spam.
Theymos already provided you a solution. Why don't you use it?

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If anything this is making you look unprofessional. You've got a great thing going and shouldn't let something like this ruin that.

Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 05:45:35 AM

I'm not defending spondoolies, I simply don't like bitmain & dogie spam!

The messenger was Spondoolies-Tech himself!

If you really believe bitmain & dogie are spamming, then you would report it.

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I'm not defending spondoolies, I simply don't like bitmain & dogie spam!

The messenger was Spondoolies-Tech himself!

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Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 05:25:25 AM

Oh look! look at the most hated person on the hole forum!

Go kiss dogie's ...! he's got like few threads ''setup guides'' on main page all the time!

Go kiss BITMAIN's ...! he's got more threads on main page, threads that are ''Discussion and Support'' and are not in the Mining support area!

Your defense of the Spamdoolies sponsored crapflood is appalling, and attacking the messenger won't change that.

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Oh look! look at the most hated person on the hole forum!

Go kiss dogie's ...! he's got like few threads ''setup guides'' on main page all the time!

Go kiss BITMAIN's ...! he's got more threads on main page, threads that are ''Discussion and Support'' and are not in the Mining support area!

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Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 04:48:26 AM

Quote from: tss on January 28, 2015, 04:42:09 AM

ok spamdoolie.. you have good equipment and great support. don't throw it all away and become a spam monster. it was enough when you had the giveaway and all hardware posts were yours.. but one poster and all those posts.. that's a bit much.

Spam? like the 6 bitmain threads and 5 dogie threads on the main hardware page?

Yes, spam. As in a crapflood of unsolicited commercial messages, posted by a single paid minion.

The dictionary and common usage say it's spam. The admin, staff, and mods say it's spam. tss and I say it's spam.

You haven't even been here six months and yet you're second guessing all of us (and personally attacking me).

GTFO YOU FUCKING NOOBTRASH. Cheesy

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 28, 2015, 04:47:15 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 28, 2015, 04:10:06 AM

Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 04:06:27 AM

go away iCEBREAKER!!!!! nobody wants you on this forum besides other trolls like you!

Do you believe there is a moderator conspiracy singling out poor Spamdoolies for oppression?

Whatever the complaint is in Meta someone will always look to a conspiracy after something doesn't go their way because the truth is always far less exciting and uncontroversial.

I asked very simple questions, yet to receive any answers. For the mods benefit, here are the questions again:

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 12:58:35 AM

Quote from: theymos on January 28, 2015, 12:55:17 AM

Having 6 open topics about the same thing isn't OK. It's not fair to people who read/post other topics, since they'll tend to have a disadvantage when it comes to position in the topics list.

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

Thank you for the explanation and the solution how to do the poll.

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

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Quote from: tss on January 28, 2015, 04:42:09 AM

ok spamdoolie.. you have good equipment and great support. don't throw it all away and become a spam monster. it was enough when you had the giveaway and all hardware posts were yours.. but one poster and all those posts.. that's a bit much.

Spam? like the 6 bitmain threads and 5 dogie threads on the main hardware page?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 28, 2015, 04:10:06 AM

Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 04:06:27 AM

go away iCEBREAKER!!!!! nobody wants you on this forum besides other trolls like you!

Do you believe there is a moderator conspiracy singling out poor Spamdoolies for oppression?

Whatever the complaint is in Meta someone will always look to a conspiracy after something doesn't go their way because the truth is always far less exciting and uncontroversial.

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ok spamdoolie.. you have good equipment and great support. don't throw it all away and become a spam monster. it was enough when you had the giveaway and all hardware posts were yours.. but one poster and all those posts.. that's a bit much.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 28, 2015, 04:14:03 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:30:28 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 28, 2015, 03:23:24 AM

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I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

I will do this last post before I let it cool down and see how it plays out. I am not wanting to become a troll.

If you will read my whole last post I ask for transparency, please re-read my previous comment. I have not said a name and will not, as again i can just suspect. I do think it is important on how it happened, this is why I think being open is easier.

If you read "Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware." Why were threads not moved to there instead of being deleted?

Because spam gets deleted. If you want specific action like this taken you need to work it out with a moderator beforehand. Not just post it and hope they deal with it the way you hope they will.

Those threads contained poll questions and forum members took the time to answer them.
They weren't spam.
Granted, Philip posted them in the wrong place.
Can I get answers to my questions?

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

No, because you've already made up your mind, and I don't care enough to try and change it. Maybe someone else will, maybe they won't.

I didn't made up my mind. Please read the thread.
Direct question: Did you delete the poll posts ?

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 28, 2015, 04:10:06 AM

Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 04:06:27 AM

go away iCEBREAKER!!!!! nobody wants you on this forum besides other trolls like you!

Do you believe there is a moderator conspiracy singling out poor Spamdoolies for oppression?

just go wash some dishes, change the engine oil, ride on a broom!

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:30:28 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 28, 2015, 03:23:24 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:15:31 AM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 02:02:05 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 01:57:38 AM

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

I will do this last post before I let it cool down and see how it plays out. I am not wanting to become a troll.

If you will read my whole last post I ask for transparency, please re-read my previous comment. I have not said a name and will not, as again i can just suspect. I do think it is important on how it happened, this is why I think being open is easier.

If you read "Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware." Why were threads not moved to there instead of being deleted?

Because spam gets deleted. If you want specific action like this taken you need to work it out with a moderator beforehand. Not just post it and hope they deal with it the way you hope they will.

Those threads contained poll questions and forum members took the time to answer them.
They weren't spam.
Granted, Philip posted them in the wrong place.
Can I get answers to my questions?

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

No, because you've already made up your mind, and I don't care enough to try and change it. Maybe someone else will, maybe they won't.

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Quote from: mavericklm on January 28, 2015, 04:06:27 AM

go away iCEBREAKER!!!!! nobody wants you on this forum besides other trolls like you!

Do you believe there is a moderator conspiracy singling out poor Spamdoolies for oppression?

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go away iCEBREAKER!!!!! nobody wants you on this forum besides other trolls like you!

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:41:09 AM

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

As time pass and I don't get real answers and transperacy about what happened, I admit that my suspicious grows.

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