Mods killing an hardware manufacturers poll - page 3.

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Quote from: shorena on January 28, 2015, 04:36:20 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:30:28 AM

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Those threads contained poll questions and forum members took the time to answer them.
They weren't spam.

Mods (as well os other members reporting them) seem to think differently. Theymos even gave you an explanation why in his opinion they are spam.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:30:28 AM

Granted, Philip posted them in the wrong place.
Can I get answers to my questions?

In my experience: Nope you wont. You seem to take it way to personal anyway.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:30:28 AM

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

Thanks for making my point.

The correct action would have been to move the poll questions and not deleting them without explanation.

As time pass and I don't get real answers and transperacy about what happened, I admit that my suspicious grows.

Guy

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:13:24 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 28, 2015, 03:08:43 AM

We get it. You paid good BTC for those polls and are upset they got nuked from space.

No, I didn't pay good BTCs for the polls.
I asked Philip what he wants for running it, he wanted token payment. He also stated that he'll donate it.

You already got the answer to your question, which was "because spam gets deleted." There is no conspiracy against you, just normal forum rules.

At this point, you need to stop digging and start doing damage control. I suggest a 'Sorry Thermos' apology thread.

Your company has a lot of goodwill in the community (a rare thing) and this is a ludicrous issue to waste it on.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:30:28 AM

-snip-
Those threads contained poll questions and forum members took the time to answer them.
They weren't spam.

Mods (as well os other members reporting them) seem to think differently. Theymos even gave you an explanation why in his opinion they are spam.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:30:28 AM

Granted, Philip posted them in the wrong place.
Can I get answers to my questions?

In my experience: Nope you wont. You seem to take it way to personal anyway.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 04:30:28 AM

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

Thanks for making my point.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 28, 2015, 04:23:24 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 03:15:31 AM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 03:02:05 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

I will do this last post before I let it cool down and see how it plays out. I am not wanting to become a troll.

If you will read my whole last post I ask for transparency, please re-read my previous comment. I have not said a name and will not, as again i can just suspect. I do think it is important on how it happened, this is why I think being open is easier.

If you read "Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware." Why were threads not moved to there instead of being deleted?

Because spam gets deleted. If you want specific action like this taken you need to work it out with a moderator beforehand. Not just post it and hope they deal with it the way you hope they will.

Those threads contained poll questions and forum members took the time to answer them.
They weren't spam.
Granted, Philip posted them in the wrong place.
Can I get answers to my questions?

I'm getting strong sense of coverups and excuses after the fact for a very brutal / hostile mod action directed to hurt us due to the poll results.

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Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 03:15:31 AM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 03:02:05 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

I will do this last post before I let it cool down and see how it plays out. I am not wanting to become a troll.

If you will read my whole last post I ask for transparency, please re-read my previous comment. I have not said a name and will not, as again i can just suspect. I do think it is important on how it happened, this is why I think being open is easier.

If you read "Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware." Why were threads not moved to there instead of being deleted?

Because spam gets deleted. If you want specific action like this taken you need to work it out with a moderator beforehand. Not just post it and hope they deal with it the way you hope they will.

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I've been around here for over 3.5 years and can tell you this 100% certainty.

Posting six nearly identical threads will get them deleted no matter where they are.

In addition most people would be banned for a few days.

~BCX~

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More spondoolies spam? There's no conspiracy here for once. Spam gets deleted. Grow a thicker skin - it's in the newbies advice thread.

This is a tough time of year for all us jews, but these aren't the nazis you're looking for.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:17:57 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 01:58:35 AM

Quote from: theymos on January 28, 2015, 01:55:17 AM

Having 6 open topics about the same thing isn't OK. It's not fair to people who read/post other topics, since they'll tend to have a disadvantage when it comes to position in the topics list.

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

Thank you for the explanation and the solution how to do the poll.

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

Back to topic. Can I get some transparency about what happened and get simple answers to simple questions?

You already got transparency about what happened and simple answers.

Now you are demanding a proprietary right to discipline moderators and detailed answers with exhaustive explanations.

That reflects poorly on Spamdoolies otherwise perfect record.

You really should

Guy Corem

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 01:58:35 AM

Quote from: theymos on January 28, 2015, 01:55:17 AM

Having 6 open topics about the same thing isn't OK. It's not fair to people who read/post other topics, since they'll tend to have a disadvantage when it comes to position in the topics list.

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

Thank you for the explanation and the solution how to do the poll.

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

Back to topic. Can I get some transparency about what happened and get simple answers to simple questions?

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Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 03:02:05 AM

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

I will do this last post before I let it cool down and see how it plays out. I am not wanting to become a troll.

If you will read my whole last post I ask for transparency, please re-read my previous comment. I have not said a name and will not, as again i can just suspect. I do think it is important on how it happened, this is why I think being open is easier.

If you read "Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware." Why were threads not moved to there instead of being deleted?

Guy Corem

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 28, 2015, 03:08:43 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:46:46 AM

Look at it from my presepective:
The poll questions were DELETED, not moved.
It's unbelievable hostile action.

We get it. You paid good BTC for those polls and are upset they got nuked from space.

But deploying minions to spam the HW sub is also an arguably "hostile action" and will predictably result in moderation.

Again, I suggest you

instead of being a Spamdoolie.

You have a successful ASIC company and should have much better things to do than badger Thermos.

If you need help brainstorming ideas, let us know.

No, I didn't pay good BTCs for the polls.
I asked Philip what he wants for running it, he wanted token payment. He also stated that he'll donate it.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:46:46 AM

Look at it from my presepective:
The poll questions were DELETED, not moved.
It's unbelievable hostile action.

We get it. You paid good BTC for those polls and are upset they got nuked from space.

But deploying minions to spam the HW sub is also an arguably "hostile action" and will predictably result in moderation.

Again, I suggest you

instead of being a Spamdoolie.

You have a successful ASIC company and should have much better things to do than badger Thermos.

If you need help brainstorming ideas, let us know.

Guy Corem

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Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 03:02:05 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:46:46 AM

I'm not going personal. I want simple answers to simple questions.

Fair enough. In the mean time, let me remind you theymos' suggestion:

Quote from: theymos on January 28, 2015, 01:55:17 AM

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

...then I'd be glad to reinstate my votes Wink

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:00:58 AM

Nicely put. Let's have some transparency about what happened.
I think that it's very important.

Wait and see, I guess

It's up to Philip to decide if he wants to do the poll again.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:46:46 AM

I'm not going personal. I want simple answers to simple questions.

Fair enough. In the mean time, let me remind you theymos' suggestion:

Quote from: theymos on January 28, 2015, 01:55:17 AM

Post the polls in Archival, and lock all of them. Then link to the polls from one topic in Hardware.

...then I'd be glad to reinstate my votes Wink

Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

And I'm not saying you are.

Yes, I think that plain deletion of these polls without any comment from the mods was kind of brutal. However, after theymos' answer, I would assume good faith from the mods, i.e. not make it a big deal, and just move forward. Even if Dogie were indeed the one reporting philipma1957's polls, 1) it's not public information, and 2) it doesn't really make any difference, does it?

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 03:00:58 AM

Nicely put. Let's have some transparency about what happened.
I think that it's very important.

Wait and see, I guess

Guy Corem

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Quote from: notlist3d on January 28, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 02:37:44 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes

Just to pipe in a little. I was not meaning to troll with my comment. I also did not mention person I suspected as I have zero proof.

I wish we would see a little bit of transparency on what caused this, and how this happened. I have reported a gaming hardware build that is in BTC hardware forum - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/open-air-chassis-938212 and have it was not moved even though it's been days.

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

Nicely put. Let's have some transparency about what happened.
I think that it's very important.

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Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 02:37:44 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes

Just to pipe in a little. I was not meaning to troll with my comment. I also did not mention person I suspected as I have zero proof.

I wish we would see a little bit of transparency on what caused this, and how this happened. I have reported a gaming hardware build that is in BTC hardware forum - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/open-air-chassis-938212 and have it was not moved even though it's been days.

I'm not trying to troll just wondered the timeline of what happened for it to be removed. I know this forum is a place I do enjoy, and it is a "Privilege" not a "Right" to be able to use the site. I just wish on a incident like this the community was not so in the dark.

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Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 02:37:44 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes

OK

I'm not going personal. I want simple answers to simple questions.

Edit:
Look at it from my presepective:
The poll questions were DELETED, not moved.
It's unbelievable hostile action.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.

Well, I think it was a loaded question, given the phrasing and the fact that it was asked publicly. Now it's up to him to choose whether he wants to answer it or not.

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10285563

True, yet you relayed them.

Anyway, my point is that I think most people will agree that Spondoolies is a great ASIC manufacturer, and I share that opinion. And that's precisely the reason why I'd like to see you stay above the crowd by not going personal against other forum members, no matter how biased and/or unfounded their posts may be. For example, seeing Inaba trolling or using ad hominem instead of arguments didn't help BFL with their reputation... just sayin' Roll Eyes

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 28, 2015, 02:23:49 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 02:07:20 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 01:58:35 AM

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

Please make your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.
Regarding Dogie, I do consider him a (misguided) friend. I wrote about it here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10284726

Since he did revived "Spondoolies Spam" thread and asked moderator to move it to Meta from Trash, I have enough ground for suspicion. If he'll deny, I'll accept it and publicly apologise.

Guy

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10285563

Why? Those are very simple questions to answer.
Don't you want to know the answers? I do.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 02:10:42 AM

Quote from: matt4054 on January 28, 2015, 02:07:20 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 01:58:35 AM

However, it raises more questions:

Why not simply to move the poll questions to Archival and ask Philip to change his post ?
Why the aggressive delete without any explanation ?
Are you covering for another mod action with an explanation after the fact ?
Was the deleting was done due to another Dogie complain ?

Please make your company a PR favor by assuming good faith here, you had a sensible explanation from the forum admin himself. IMHO the first two questions are kind of legit (though picky), but the last two are slipping into personal suspicion or conspiracy theories. By now I think we've all taken notice that you and Dogie aren't friends, just let it be.

The third question can be answered by a simple yes/no from Theymos. I will respect and accept his answer.
Regarding Dogie, I do consider him a (misguided) friend. I wrote about it here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10284726

Since he did revived "Spondoolies Spam" thread and asked moderator to move it to Meta from Trash, I have enough ground for suspicion. If he'll deny, I'll accept it and publicly apologise.

Guy

Edit: I didn't raise "conspiracy theories" levels questions - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10285563

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