Topic: Moneyless Society - page 2. (Read 1252 times)

Money can be manipulated by the government and bankers thats why they inovate it to some technology where infact cant be manipulated by anyone.

If you mean eliminating the fiat moneys in the marketplace and making things a major source of income is difficult. We have developed and High Tech are the tools now. Even in bitcoins even if you buy it in fiat moneys as the main currency in the world is also difficult because everyone needs to accept it as I live in the mountains of poor and beggars. How they can get it here if they are in the same situation. So we really need to understand the story before accepting an event

As an anarcho-transhumanist which is a variant of anarchism that adheres to syndicalism which is closely related to communism--no not the totalitarian Soviet variant. I'm fairly certain to say that I don't see a mainstream communistic society functioning within the next fifty years due to the social climate. For communism to work, people first have to learn about direct democracy and internalize it. People have to learn about self governance and their responsibility to other people as well as to themselves. Power structures and hierarchy in general have to be delegitimized and replaced with bottom-up forms of organization in order to make our representatives accountable. In a nutshell, there is a lot of cultural work to be done first. A society that does not value, science, art, self determination, liberty, substantive rights, direct democracy, decentralization and a good balance of individualism and pluralism will not be able to function in a communistic manner. Now, if we could remove the human element and automate the economy with robotics and AI evoking a post-scarcity society. It may be possible to establish a communistic economy within a capitalistic market without having all of the aforementioned social change. Also, for anyone wondering, the reason all these glamorous social revolutions lead to despotic red colored fascism instead of communistic utopias like the revolutionaries dream for. Is because the revolutionaries themselves have not prepared for a world without rulers, they often only get to the point where they know the current system doesn't work for everyone, but not how to build a new one in its stead.

Last year (in 2016) I read somewhere on the internet that cash money have disappeared in Sweeden. That is, in Sweeden all transactions are made with credit cards and electronic money. No other country in Europe has achieved this, but there are other Western European countries that are close to this (the Nordic Countries and Germany).  Everyone knows that the Nordic countries of Europe are very progresist and in my opinion there will be necessary other 10-20 years for the other European Countries to follow the example of Sweeden. However "classic" money have not disappeared from Sweeden. The transactions are made using local currency and I do not know when and if this will happen and bitcoin transactions will replace the "classic" currency in Sweeden.

moneyless society, I think you meant paperless, since bitcoin is also considered as a currency therefore it is money. this time we are on the beginning of having this paperless society, in order to achieve it everyone mus accept the fact that there is digital currency already and that we all need to take part on this, since it has not yet arrived on its peak. there is no doubt that time will come fiat money will become obsolete and will be replaced by digital currency, and as we all know technological advancements can be done easily with digital currency, we may no longer need to carry around our wallets, credit cards or atms just for to buy things or do transactions, it may be just in a form of scanner, like we need to scan our fingerprints or eyes just to make a transaction possible. For sure there will be new ways for us to make use of digital currency, it is also much safer, since it will lower down the crime rate, in my country, those who are addicted to drugs, tend to rob or hold up innocent people just to have their money, more so, if they see you with a fat wallet, but if you told them, you're not carrying any money, what can they do, they cannot get you hard earned money for your family, it just means that your money is safe, and this is just one of the thing I see that we can all benefit from a paperless society. but if what you are saying is to go back to barter trade, you could do that, however, there are a lot of counterfeits today, unlike before, and I doubt that people would participate in this, since we now have technology and just check your smart phone, in my country if you own the latest iphone, you are considered rich, but that very small gadget you have, are you willing to trade for some apples or oranges, once you got hungry? I think there is a reason why barter exchange became obsolete, we are just becoming more and more sophisticated and becoming wiser from time.

money is the need of the day. Bitcoin is getting famous and it is increasing in the price as well. The increasing price of the bitcoin makes it more trust worthy than the money people are using bitcoin more than money because bitcoin is providing a lot of features that money has so bitcoin made the world cashless soon everyone will use bitcoin to buy things instead of fiat money.

It sure is a very interesting topic. Especially if you come into the right mindset about it. An open mindset. Practically impossible? Maybe. The greed angle is interesting, but if you could get all you wanted, I wonder what would happen then. After a while you might get tired of wanting it all as there is no challenge to it, and you might want to value living a purpose-filled life instead... who knows...

It sounds to me like this is quite the mindset change that might be difficult to grasp at first. Again, I'm either for nor against this. And I don't have all the answers. I just find it a fascinating thing to think about and discuss. There is no right or wrong point of view to this. It's a discussion.

If everybody got what they wanted, would it really be valuable to be greedy? Again, money would have no value. What would greed mean then? If you could get 100 cars, what would be the point if you couldn't drive them all? To show off? Again, mindset issue. Nobody to show them off to as everybody could do the same, and having many cars would have no real purpose as you can't drive them all at once anyway. The reason people fancy expensive cars is because of the value of them. Not so much the practicality always. Possibly the design.

So, I don't have all the answers either, and I do not know what would have happened. This is why it's up for discussion here.

You have a wrong point of view. If everyone can get what he/she wants then there will be chaos. People will be subjected to greed and will want to get everything he/she wanted. Though no one will be treated as rich in the aspect of money and asset, but the new rich people there are those who will have the most power. This will be a chaotic world without order at all. However you are right about having less crime, this is because no law will exist due to the absence of order and everyone gets what he wants.

Then let's discuss it dude. It is a hell of an interesting topic. I really wanna debate on it (I won't cross my limits). I think, it is practically impossible and just a sweet dream. Greed runs in human blood and money satisfies that greed. People might deny this fact but you cannot judge a person unless he is in some sort of authority.

Don't want to make assumptions but am certain you mean cashless and not Moneyless which i believe is the way to go as bitcoin through the blockchain technology has paved way for this tech to be adopted but with so many uncertain regulations in so many countries we still have a long way to go.

This post has to be a joke. 100 mansions? LMAO

Do you know how hard and long it takes and the work required to build them? Do you think those workers *want* to do that? I don't think so. hahaha

Not really. In the old time, paper money didn't exist. People were just exchanging, sugar for potatoes, tomatoes for clothes, etc. The elite would need to take control of a few industries (if not already) to get the same garbage economy again. You can't cure cancer if you don't go to the root.

You are pointing towards barter system which existed ages back, but that is not going to work in present times. because the world economy is so much dependent on paper money. Nowadays, everything needs to have a value otherwise, the economy will be clueless and shatters as a result. Investment will have not value and nothing will function as envisaged.

However, it is better to move towards a cashless society instead of moneyless society. IF people don't get desired value to its assets, unrest will increase and people will try to acquire things by force. So the crime rate will also increase a lot. Moneyless society doesn't have a good future, at least in my opinion.

If we stopped using money we'd put all of the elites out of business and would be out of their control

Sounds like a good plan

When you say everyone have what they want, that is not true. As a human being, the human wants are incertiable and are numerous, which means no matter what a person have, he still looks for more.

Hahaha communism doesn't provide anything for cashless or moneyless society. They only create a structure for slave labor where you don't have fun and social activities. There is no existing solution for cashless people now. Bitcoin maybe can solve this in the future.

And who would make the products that will be handed out for free?

The reason you pay for products now is that it took a lot of manual labour to develop (either directly, or indirectly through RD or acquiring the raw materials).

If you solve the reason for different wages across different jobs, we are one step closer to this idea as every job was valued equally.

OP is not here telling about the "No-Money" society.
He is thinking of the point of view that when all the fiat will be replaced by digital currency and when there will be no money, then it will be money less or rather paperless society and that is the scenario which will bring lots of complications as bitcoin involves internet and infrastructure to operate.

I'm just throwing this idea out there. It's nothing all that new, and there would still be laws and police around. I was just thinking that we have quite an abundance of "things" and resources which is what this is mostly about. If you want to sleep with women, then obviously that is up to you and the women. This is obviously nothing you will just get. But, if you want a car, there you go. Want to fly somewhere? There you go.

Oh, and gamble with money for things would then be pointless I suppose.