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Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:12:08 AM

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

Life aint that easy to get what you want bruh,you are not Cersei Lannister here.And what will you do after you get what you want? Sleep with women? Gamble? Drugs? No offense to anyone but common dude everyone earns money to get little satisfaction and then what ? And about the crimes that you mentioned ,it would be even difficult to figure out who the real criminal is and about the technology ,yes the world is developing but not at its very best. I know that everyone would love to be in their fastasy world but hey what can you do,none of us have the power to do so,otherwise it would have already been implemented by now.

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switch to something like communism!
where the state provides you will all you need and nothing else :-)

The barter system worked at the time because you would barter
an item for something you "Needed" and the other party
"Needed" what you were bartering.

we are edging ever closer to a kind of money-less society or cashless
society anyway, I rarely use "Cash" anymore, its all online or plastic,
paying bills, transferring funds and buying goods with a card.

I believe the newer generations will pick up crypto quicker because of this.

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Quote from: bajing on September 03, 2017, 11:48:23 AM

Quote from: wearepoor on September 03, 2017, 04:22:21 AM

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

And i dont agree with you too, indeed for now there is a value for each thing or anything but you can still find or did barter with someone for certain items. most of it is done by antique collectors, because like he said "they are rich people who no not care about the value of the money." what they look is pride.

In Barter system there was no money involved. It was just things were traded with things. When you trade things with things, one may get benefit of high value thing traded with low value thing ,but then money came and solved this probelm. So how and why we are discussing to move towards moneyless society.

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Quote from: wearepoor on September 03, 2017, 04:22:21 AM

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

And i dont agree with you too, indeed for now there is a value for each thing or anything but you can still find or did barter with someone for certain items. most of it is done by antique collectors, because like he said "they are rich people who no not care about the value of the money." what they look is pride.

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Quote from: wearepoor on September 03, 2017, 04:22:21 AM

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

Money or fiat is the system of transaction all through out the world so if we could dream for a moneyless system in terms of transaction the possible needs that should take place the money is the bitcoin. And as a form of crypto-currency it could be a better way in trading where its price depends on the stock of Bitcoin not just on the printed value like dollar or any other paper money.

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Even if everyone get what they wanted by being rich,that's not mean there will be no problem,human desire is infinite
Let's say everyone in the world are rich,they can get anything in this world,by human nature,people will start desiring something that others don't have,we can't do anything about that

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Money is just something we have value to so we don't have to trade for everything. I trade you money for your chair you sell me then you take that money and buy a steak. The money can be anything it does not matter. It is used because it is easier to carry around. Without money you will need different things to trade and you hope the person who is buying from you wants it is you won't get the trade and that is where money comes in because everyone can use it to buy anything. So Bitcoin is just the upgrade of what we call money today. It's virtuall money.

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Moneyless society is possible right now because there is a place in China where they just use their mobile phones to make payments and it is all successful and they feel very convenient with their mobile phones to make payments in different stores or places that they go and i think if they can do it then we can do it to with the power of bitcoin nothing is impossible.

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Quote from: Victorycoin on September 03, 2017, 05:24:51 AM

Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:48:11 AM

Quote from: nappoleon on September 03, 2017, 04:39:04 AM

If we give everyone what they want, then what's the meaning of life by that point? Let's assume, people can have what they wanted easily wherein there's no work required for them, the level of cooperation we have today will significantly reduce. People will never work unless it is on their best interest (non-monetary based interest) and consider the number of people doing their life choices based on money.

And thinking crimes will be reduced when you let people have what they want is short-term planning and it's kind of infant-minded. Humans will always find ways to harm each other one way or another, because on any society whether it is old or new there's always disagreements. And we did our best to settle this disagreements through the systems we have created. In my opinion, all we need is balance.

Meaning of life would be to live your life. Spend time with friends and family. Travel and see the world (for free of course). Meet new people. I think the lazyness nature of humans might be a problem yes. And, yes, there will always be crime, but if you could get everything you wanted, certain crimes would most likely disappear.

Can you wake up now and face reality? This is planet earth, where human wants are unlimited amist limited means for satisfying them so you will never be able to give everyone what they want no matter how hard anyone tries to. If as you fantasized all monies are destroyed, how would you fuel your cars, book your travel tickets or replenish your food stock when you run out of supply?

It's a thought experiment where the idea is that you think about it from different perspectives. I'm either for or against this. It's about having a discussion about it.

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Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:48:11 AM

Quote from: nappoleon on September 03, 2017, 04:39:04 AM

If we give everyone what they want, then what's the meaning of life by that point? Let's assume, people can have what they wanted easily wherein there's no work required for them, the level of cooperation we have today will significantly reduce. People will never work unless it is on their best interest (non-monetary based interest) and consider the number of people doing their life choices based on money.

And thinking crimes will be reduced when you let people have what they want is short-term planning and it's kind of infant-minded. Humans will always find ways to harm each other one way or another, because on any society whether it is old or new there's always disagreements. And we did our best to settle this disagreements through the systems we have created. In my opinion, all we need is balance.

Meaning of life would be to live your life. Spend time with friends and family. Travel and see the world (for free of course). Meet new people. I think the lazyness nature of humans might be a problem yes. And, yes, there will always be crime, but if you could get everything you wanted, certain crimes would most likely disappear.

Can you wake up now and face reality? This is planet earth, where human wants are unlimited amidst limited means for satisfying them so you will never be able to give everyone what they want, no matter how hard anyone tries to. If as you fantasized all monies are destroyed, how would you fuel your cars, book your travel tickets or replenish your food stock when you run out of supply?

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Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:48:11 AM

Quote from: nappoleon on September 03, 2017, 04:39:04 AM

If we give everyone what they want, then what's the meaning of life by that point? Let's assume, people can have what they wanted easily wherein there's no work required for them, the level of cooperation we have today will significantly reduce. People will never work unless it is on their best interest (non-monetary based interest) and consider the number of people doing their life choices based on money.

And thinking crimes will be reduced when you let people have what they want is short-term planning and it's kind of infant-minded. Humans will always find ways to harm each other one way or another, because on any society whether it is old or new there's always disagreements. And we did our best to settle this disagreements through the systems we have created. In my opinion, all we need is balance.

Meaning of life would be to live your life. Spend time with friends and family. Travel and see the world (for free of course). Meet new people. I think the lazyness nature of humans might be a problem yes. And, yes, there will always be crime, but if you could get everything you wanted, certain crimes would most likely disappear.

Equality wont really happen on this physical world and we cant really easily change the reality on which there are poor there are rich and for those people who do in the bottom would normally seek out things that would make them rich and i would say it wont really be an easy thing.For those people who had everything on this world specially on money for sure they would got bored and would seek out for somethings that would interest them and the thing you are saying here is giving into someone would really be an impossible stuff.

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Quote from: severaldetails on September 03, 2017, 05:04:34 AM

In reality that would not work.
If everybody gets what he desires for free, then everybody just does what he wants to do.
But who does the things nobody wants to do? Like working in the channelization for example?
There are so many jobs people would rather not do, but these jobs are necessary to keep your society intact.
Money is the motivation for everybody to work.
And if somebody does not get the job he wants, he must take another one. To earn money, to lead a life.

Absolutely. Although, this could be a push to innovate and make robots to do the things we don't want to do.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on September 03, 2017, 04:59:36 AM

One thing about money, it could represent a specific quantity of time, productivity and innovation.

If someone wants 100 houses and 100 cars that breaks down to a certain amount of time, innovation and productivity to construct.

If money is eliminated some other system would arise to fill the vacuum.

Concepts like productivity and time and their relation to money aren't easily tweaked to give everyone want they want all the time. Like some said satisfying essential needs with a minimal & efficient productive effort is the opposite aim of industry.

Ah, yeah, this reminds me of a discussion I had regarding improving things and innovation. With money, companies want things to break down so people buy again. Like, the light bulb for example. There is one made many years ago (that still works? or at least worked for a very long time). But as a company, you don't want that, so you make it a bit defective so it breaks and people have to buy a new one. With a money-less society, wouldn't' there be more focus on actually innovating and make things better and better?

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In reality that would not work.
If everybody gets what he desires for free, then everybody just does what he wants to do.
But who does the things nobody wants to do? Like working in the channelization for example?
There are so many jobs people would rather not do, but these jobs are necessary to keep your society intact.
Money is the motivation for everybody to work.
And if somebody does not get the job he wants, he must take another one. To earn money, to lead a life.

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as long as there are people there will be money,period
no way to circumvent that,till there is a huge change in morale and society principles
capitalist society we are living in puts money and consumerism at the top of the priorities
it is what makes the world go round at least its what we are supposed to believe in
remove that and everything will collapse

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on September 03, 2017, 04:57:29 AM

Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:12:08 AM

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

There aren't ferraris for everyone, and the people in charge aren't going to let their power go to redistribute wealth. I like the idea of an open source society as described by Jacques Fresco, but unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon, we may need 1000's of years to get to that point. In the meantime, im pretty sure cryptocurrencies will be the next step, creating a global economy, possibly inter planetary, so you better start stacking up on BTC soon, for a lack of a better alt.

Yeah, I don't see this happening in a long time either. If at all. I just thought it was worth to bring up and think about and see what people say. Trying to get into the mindset of it and think about it for a while intrigued me.

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One thing about money, it could represent a specific quantity of time, productivity and innovation.

If someone wants 100 houses and 100 cars that breaks down to a certain amount of time, innovation and productivity to construct.

If money is eliminated some other system would arise to fill the vacuum.

Concepts like productivity and time and their relation to money aren't easily tweaked to give everyone want they want all the time. Like some said satisfying essential needs with a minimal & efficient productive effort is the opposite aim of industry.

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Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:12:08 AM

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

There aren't ferraris for everyone, and the people in charge aren't going to let their power go to redistribute wealth. I like the idea of an open source society as described by Jacques Fresco, but unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon, we may need 1000's of years to get to that point. In the meantime, im pretty sure cryptocurrencies will be the next step, creating a global economy, possibly inter planetary, so you better start stacking up on BTC soon, for a lack of a better alt.

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Man can do everything he needs for life. A barter relationship is very uncomfortable. The idea of money creation was good, but bankers and politicians have turned the money in the garbage. We rejoice in what was invented bitcoin. This Tenga like they should be.

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Quote from: Irdina on September 03, 2017, 04:50:53 AM

Quote from: Chillance on September 03, 2017, 04:34:14 AM

Quote from: Irdina on September 03, 2017, 04:29:45 AM

Hay, why are you fantasizing too much? ... We must try before getting something ,, that's life. Nothing is instant, and bitcoin ,, we have to fight to be successful, not everyone who jumps in bitcoin become rich ..

This is just a thought experiment where the whole idea about "getting rich" doesn't exist anymore since everybody get what they want.

Your experiment, can make everyone bored, because there is no challenge to get something, everything is available .. Is not it going to make a lazy man .. maybe you can look for other experiments .. For example, to provide jobs for the unemployed and the poor, It is better.

You know, that reminds me. Some healthy elderly people get bored with their pension life, that they go back to work. So, as a side effect can be that when people get what they want, they will help out as they will be bored otherwise.

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