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legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Yes!
I am still bearish. The recent news is just fuel to the fire that I have seen as possible for over a year now. It may make my C-wave chart come to fruition sooner than I recently thought, even a couple of weeks ago. If the market takes it as a severe enough situation, then 352.50 will be broken, the triangle wasn't actually a triangle and we be doomin'. ETH goes up more and extends the pump.

If the 352.50 level holds (preferably higher if it's going to) then we get triangle completion, a thrust wave as high as 700 +/- a bit, and completion of the bear market counter trend (suckers rally) for wave-B (or X) and we see continuation of the bear trend (not necessarily breaking 100$, but it is possible). I don't see ATH's this year.
Thanks for your thoughts. What is your long term view going out over the next several years? When do you expect the next ATH? I think it will be some time yet, not least because great expectations for the halving should bring great disappointment in this ruthless market.

I think the blocksize issue is holding down price not because blocks are full (the 7 day average is only at 75.66% at the moment) but because of the uncertainties of governance and protocol development. Also the halving brings further uncertainty because of fears of decreased hash rate causing miners to drop out resulting in difficulty adjustment issues. In that way this halving does not exactly parallel the previous one, as at that time hash rate was very likely set to increase due to the switch to ASICs.

We also should see ETH either succeed or fail very publicly. I bet on the latter.

Some interesting circumstances were pointed out in that article, that tells me it has become a very serious issue if not addressed in the very short future. If price doesn't rise before the halving, mining will not be profitable and the network could see the same problem Namecoin saw in 2012 when it was mined so heavily that difficulty rose to extremely high levels (at the time) and nearly abandoned causing blocks to take days and retargets to take months. If the decision hadn't been made to merged mine it along side Bitcoin, it would have surely died. The problem here is that there is no coin bigger to save Bitcoin. If this scenario happens, we will be in unknown territory. The fear of this scenario is enough to make some seek to exit completely and others to head for alts with seemingly promising futures. Some of this fueled ETH, I'm sure.

I feel ETH is another "right place at the right time" pump as LTC was in June/July last year. In LTC's case, pumpers knew it was approaching the halving so there would be plenty of speculation helping drive it, and Bitcoin slumping/stagnating just drew in traders since there was something with movement. In ETH's case, Bitcoin has the threat outlined above coupled with a relentless group behind the pump and new developments which may or maynot prove useless once released. I feel ETH will eventually see a spectacular crash the likes of which only crypto can offer and the lead group coming out vastly richer in BTC terms than previously. Many butt hurt investors will leave crypto as was the case with any Bitcoin crash in the past.

I have traded ETH exactly opposite of Bitcoin since polo first offered it. This has not change, even today. BTC up, ETH down... ETH up, BTC down. When The ETH pumpers get done fleecing ETH fish, Bitcoin will come back to life, break out of this consolidation and move up in it's thrust wave, except in the case (again) outlined in the first paragraph.

As for a Bitcoin ATH?
First and foremost, there needs to be a permanent fix to the blocksize issue and more generally, the practices of the Bitcoin dev teams. SegWit is not a fix and may introduce more problems considering it has a massive new code base. With lots of code, comes lots of potential bugs/errors. Personally, I don't think it's a fix, only a band-aid.
Second, I don't think new adoption is as high as many would like to believe. As long as huge amounts of new money isn't pouring in, no new ATH. Bulls haven't been beaten enough to panic so are all-in, and have no significant amount of money to buy the price up. Again, no new money, price doesn't rise. We need to go down before halving, get a massive deleveraging of market participants, and a fear to buy, so that when it does begin to rise, there is money to move it.
The second part being the psychological aspects to how trends and more specifically, EW works. No trend==corrective movement which is what we are seeing since January 2015.

Sorry for the long winded post! I don't have a TL;DR either... Just read it Smiley

If Morecoin would like me to delete this for the OT nature, just let me know and I will.
hero member
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Yes!
I am still bearish. The recent news is just fuel to the fire that I have seen as possible for over a year now. It may make my C-wave chart come to fruition sooner than I recently thought, even a couple of weeks ago. If the market takes it as a severe enough situation, then 352.50 will be broken, the triangle wasn't actually a triangle and we be doomin'. ETH goes up more and extends the pump.

If the 352.50 level holds (preferably higher if it's going to) then we get triangle completion, a thrust wave as high as 700 +/- a bit, and completion of the bear market counter trend (suckers rally) for wave-B (or X) and we see continuation of the bear trend (not necessarily breaking 100$, but it is possible). I don't see ATH's this year.
Thanks for your thoughts. What is your long term view going out over the next several years? When do you expect the next ATH? I think it will be some time yet, not least because great expectations for the halving should bring great disappointment in this ruthless market.

I think the blocksize issue is holding down price not because blocks are full (the 7 day average is only at 75.66% at the moment) but because of the uncertainties of governance and protocol development. Also the halving brings further uncertainty because of fears of decreased hash rate causing miners to drop out resulting in difficulty adjustment issues. In that way this halving does not exactly parallel the previous one, as at that time hash rate was very likely set to increase due to the switch to ASICs.

We also should see ETH either succeed or fail very publicly. I bet on the latter.
legendary
Activity: 2408
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Yes!
I am still bearish. The recent news is just fuel to the fire that I have seen as possible for over a year now. It may make my C-wave chart come to fruition sooner than I recently thought, even a couple of weeks ago. If the market takes it as a severe enough situation, then 352.50 will be broken, the triangle wasn't actually a triangle and we be doomin'. ETH goes up more and extends the pump.

If the 352.50 level holds (preferably higher if it's going to) then we get triangle completion, a thrust wave as high as 700 +/- a bit, and completion of the bear market counter trend (suckers rally) for wave-B (or X) and we see continuation of the bear trend (not necessarily breaking 100$, but it is possible). I don't see ATH's this year.

A) What recent news?

B) If this is a bull, then $38x holds, and we resolve this symmetrical triangle upon next attempt at resistance trendline. If we have to go down to $352, then this is no longer a symmetrical triangle, but a descending triangle, and those have an 80% chance of resolving bearishly. If BTC hits $352, I am sure there will be a bounce of some sort there, with it being an important support, but the bearish writing would be on the wall at that point I would say.

Well, not as much news as an eye opening, but the Satoshi round table article. An issue that has been known but swept under the rug for years, now.

352.50 is the C-wave low of the triangle and below that, invalidation of any chance of this triangle so that's why 352.49 becomes very bearish. Until then, triangle E can do anything it wants as long as it stays within the range of wave-D and retraces a minimum 20% of D. It can complete any time now, and may already be complete.
hero member
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Yes!
I am still bearish. The recent news is just fuel to the fire that I have seen as possible for over a year now. It may make my C-wave chart come to fruition sooner than I recently thought, even a couple of weeks ago. If the market takes it as a severe enough situation, then 352.50 will be broken, the triangle wasn't actually a triangle and we be doomin'. ETH goes up more and extends the pump.

If the 352.50 level holds (preferably higher if it's going to) then we get triangle completion, a thrust wave as high as 700 +/- a bit, and completion of the bear market counter trend (suckers rally) for wave-B (or X) and we see continuation of the bear trend (not necessarily breaking 100$, but it is possible). I don't see ATH's this year.

A) What recent news?

B) If this is a bull, then $38x holds, and we resolve this symmetrical triangle upon next attempt at resistance trendline. If we have to go down to $352, then this is no longer a symmetrical triangle, but a descending triangle, and those have an 80% chance of resolving bearishly. If BTC hits $352, I am sure there will be a bounce of some sort there, with it being an important support, but the bearish writing would be on the wall at that point I would say.
legendary
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I have a different view, if 300$ holds I think it will be clearly bullish, with about 750$ around the halving.
Below 300$, if gets bearisher, but if 200$ won't be broken, a bullish scenario is still possible.
For the next 2 weeks I expect to continue a downtrend, ending with the 300$ support testing.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
imo, anything below $400 is a buy and above 352.50 (C wave low). Right now, I have my sights set on 375ish as a bottom which may trigger some more stops. Bullish case, as long as 352 holds, is potentially above 600. A break below 352.50 is very bearish.
Your signature says still bearish. That reflects your medium term view?

Yes!
I am still bearish. The recent news is just fuel to the fire that I have seen as possible for over a year now. It may make my C-wave chart come to fruition sooner than I recently thought, even a couple of weeks ago. If the market takes it as a severe enough situation, then 352.50 will be broken, the triangle wasn't actually a triangle and we be doomin'. ETH goes up more and extends the pump.

If the 352.50 level holds (preferably higher if it's going to) then we get triangle completion, a thrust wave as high as 700 +/- a bit, and completion of the bear market counter trend (suckers rally) for wave-B (or X) and we see continuation of the bear trend (not necessarily breaking 100$, but it is possible). I don't see ATH's this year.
hero member
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imo, anything below $400 is a buy and above 352.50 (C wave low). Right now, I have my sights set on 375ish as a bottom which may trigger some more stops. Bullish case, as long as 352 holds, is potentially above 600. A break below 352.50 is very bearish.
Your signature says still bearish. That reflects your medium term view?
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
Ha I was wrong! In hindsight I should have jumped ship when it started trading under the simple moving average:



Where does this leave us? Any coin under $400 is a cheap coin because for the price to consolidate around ~420 is still not too far-fetched.

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $395.79)

It happens! As long as the triangle holds, things should look better soon.
That poke of the lower trend line happened... Probably stopping some longs out. We'll soon see how it pans out.

if you were/are trading this probable move, what price would you buy at for a safe risk/reward confidence level?

imo, anything below $400 is a buy and above 352.50 (C wave low). Right now, I have my sights set on 375ish as a bottom which may trigger some more stops. Bullish case, as long as 352 holds, is potentially above 600. A break below 352.50 is very bearish.
hero member
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I increased my position at $394. Maybe my outlook is a tad optimistic but I can see the anticipated block reward halving bring us past $500.
Technically we are still trading in the triangle which is positive, especially considering yesterday's excessive sell-off. Short term: probably sideways.

Regarding the negative tone of the news, I believe that bitcoin is likely to scale long term. This recent block size debate marks another phase in bitcoin's development, and there is no such thing as bad publicity. Some of the smartest people in the world are involved.
Digital cash... what did you think was going to happen?

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $409.57)
legendary
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Ha I was wrong! In hindsight I should have jumped ship when it started trading under the simple moving average:



Where does this leave us? Any coin under $400 is a cheap coin because for the price to consolidate around ~420 is still not too far-fetched.

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $395.79)

It happens! As long as the triangle holds, things should look better soon.
That poke of the lower trend line happened... Probably stopping some longs out. We'll soon see how it pans out.

if you were/are trading this probable move, what price would you buy at for a safe risk/reward confidence level?
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
Ha I was wrong! In hindsight I should have jumped ship when it started trading under the simple moving average:



Where does this leave us? Any coin under $400 is a cheap coin because for the price to consolidate around ~420 is still not too far-fetched.

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $395.79)

It happens! As long as the triangle holds, things should look better soon.
That poke of the lower trend line happened... Probably stopping some longs out. We'll soon see how it pans out.
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 503
Legendary trader
Ha I was wrong! In hindsight I should have jumped ship when it started trading under the simple moving average:



Where does this leave us? Any coin under $400 is a cheap coin because for the price to consolidate around ~420 is still not too far-fetched.

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $395.79)
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
The anticipated retrace and bounce off of the simple moving average:



Very bullish sign. Enjoy!

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $433.13)

Always interested in what the Morecoin Freeman has to say about the Bitcoin market, but in this instance, I have to respectfully disagree. Obviously Morecoin Freeman bases his analysis on more than the poxy 12 hr BB on Bitcoinwisdom, but I will be damned if I know what it is, as the most conventional market signs are all pointing towards a test and likely breach of $400:



It couldgo downto $390 and still be bullish.

I see your scenario and I am watching it as well.

But my top watch pattern is this for now. Until its broken



Your triangle is valid to the C wave low ($352.50 but no less). I kind of expect a failure to hit the lower trendline (something around 400), but would not be surprised to see a slight break of it to trip the stops that are based on that triangle.
legendary
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alan watts is all you need
The anticipated retrace and bounce off of the simple moving average:



Very bullish sign. Enjoy!

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $433.13)

Always interested in what the Morecoin Freeman has to say about the Bitcoin market, but in this instance, I have to respectfully disagree. Obviously Morecoin Freeman bases his analysis on more than the poxy 12 hr BB on Bitcoinwisdom, but I will be damned if I know what it is, as the most conventional market signs are all pointing towards a test and likely breach of $400:



It couldgo downto $390 and still be bullish.

I see your scenario and I am watching it as well.

But my top watch pattern is this for now. Until its broken

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hero member
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I hope you are not shorting this baby too hard. It's dangerous territory.


No shorting at all yet.

Waiting on the FU move up above the previous recent $438 high (bound to happen), and then waiting on market structure and momentum divergence to form on lower timeframes. If it all lines up nicely for me, then I will take the short.

Bear in mind, Bitcoin isn't being driven by some obese halfwit sitting in a Tokyo office block with his trading bots switched to permabull mode anymore. Bitcoin is owned and driven by a cabal of wealthy Chinese Bitcoiners and their interest is to extract a continual income stream from Bitcoin, and they don't do that by simply allowing Bitcoin to pump unabated. For these guys machinations to be overruled, their would have to be some incredibly strong fundmamental driver, such as Capital Flight from China....but just watch the equity markets recover between now and May, and the PBOC cause the odd spike in CNY value, in order to wipe out speculators who are betting against it.

Anything can happen here, but for my money, all the signs are pointing towards a deeper correction........longer term, 'halving event' n all...I anticipate much higher prices in Bitcoin, but in the absence of a real fundemental driver, I certainly don't see any new ATH's anywhere on the horizon......

....if I am fortunate enough to be long Bitcoin at the time when it hits $800 zone, I imagine that I will be cashing out, hand over fist......I hope......although resisting drinking the Kool-Aid can be tough, but hopefully I have by now learned my lessons.

Very reasonable argumentation. +1
hero member
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I hope you are not shorting this baby too hard. It's dangerous territory.


No shorting at all yet.

Waiting on the FU move up above the previous recent $438 high (bound to happen), and then waiting on market structure and momentum divergence to form on lower timeframes. If it all lines up nicely for me, then I will take the short.

Bear in mind, Bitcoin isn't being driven by some obese halfwit sitting in a Tokyo office block with his trading bots switched to permabull mode anymore. Bitcoin is owned and driven by a cabal of wealthy Chinese Bitcoiners and their interest is to extract a continual income stream from Bitcoin, and they don't do that by simply allowing Bitcoin to pump unabated. For these guys machinations to be overruled, their would have to be some incredibly strong fundmamental driver, such as Capital Flight from China....but just watch the equity markets recover between now and May, and the PBOC cause the odd spike in CNY value, in order to wipe out speculators who are betting against it.

Anything can happen here, but for my money, all the signs are pointing towards a deeper correction........longer term, 'halving event' n all...I anticipate much higher prices in Bitcoin, but in the absence of a real fundemental driver, I certainly don't see any new ATH's anywhere on the horizon......

....if I am fortunate enough to be long Bitcoin at the time when it hits $800 zone, I imagine that I will be cashing out, hand over fist......I hope......although resisting drinking the Kool-Aid can be tough, but hopefully I have by now learned my lessons.
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hero member
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The anticipated retrace and bounce off of the simple moving average:



Very bullish sign. Enjoy!

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $433.13)

Always interested in what the Morecoin Freeman has to say about the Bitcoin market, but in this instance, I have to respectfully disagree. Obviously Morecoin Freeman bases his analysis on more than the poxy 12 hr BB on Bitcoinwisdom, but I will be damned if I know what it is, as the most conventional market signs are all pointing towards a test and likely breach of $400:



I hope you are not shorting this baby too hard. It's dangerous territory.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
The anticipated retrace and bounce off of the simple moving average:



Very bullish sign. Enjoy!

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $433.13)

Always interested in what the Morecoin Freeman has to say about the Bitcoin market, but in this instance, I have to respectfully disagree. Obviously Morecoin Freeman bases his analysis on more than the poxy 12 hr BB on Bitcoinwisdom, but I will be damned if I know what it is, as the most conventional market signs are all pointing towards a test and likely breach of $400:

hero member
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Legendary trader
The anticipated retrace and bounce off of the simple moving average:



Very bullish sign. Enjoy!

(BITCOIN PRICE INDEX $433.13)
legendary
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Happy that you guys enjoy this thread.

You've made some pretty nice calls all in all - both on the bear trend and bull trend. Well done!
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