Topic: Most new accounts do not contribute anything - page 2. (Read 1523 times)

But the problem here is people are going to an English-speaking 'school' for a subject they don't have any interest or knowledge in and many can't speak English very well in the first place, but are only going because there's some payment in it for them for 'attending'. When I was in college if you parents earned under a certain amount you got a thing called Educational Maintenance Allowance. There were some people in my class who were quite open that they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that, and they didn't really want to be there and would do the minimal amount of work possible and just slack off. They really shouldn't have been there and were sometimes quite disruptive to the rest of the class. The same thing is happening here. Most of the new users don't care about Bitcoin and are just here to earn and it's ruined the experience for everyone else in the process. That's the same problem we have here.

Probably these users were spammers and they didn't actually contribute to the forum as of these days. Most of their thoughts were useless and some posted short lines with non sense ideas. This could not do anything good for the forum, and worst it made the bitcointalk forum flooded with their spams. With the merit system I suggest that this brand new accounts shouldn't be ranking up unless a merit will be given, and for that reason spam and non sense posting quality will be eliminated here.

Recently evil IP payment has been threading all over the forum which I believed it will makes a lot of beginners to abandon their new account simply because they have no Idea on how to make the payment. Secondly some newbies are here with greedy habit to make huge money account night as a result they may fall into the wrong hands and get scam which will make them to abandon their account.

The Evil IP fee only applies to addresses that accounts have been banned on. So just creating a new account wouldn't mean you would have to pay. The spambots are using proxy services and when they sign up an account there is a high probability that it will be from an Evil IP address and they are asked to pay a fee which they obviously wouldn't. There was another thread looking at the stats here and they found 77% of recent accounts are still ranked Brand New.

I disagree. I recently created a new account (for a company project to be announced soon) and I did not face any IP restrictions by the forums, even though I already own two accounts here (disclosed on my feedback page).

I believe that the high turnover of new account creations and subsequent abandonment is due to the large amount of bounty hunter guides and tutorials floating around the web. New users who are promised fortunes probably register an account, find a few bounty threads, and realize that they don't want to do all the repetitive and spammy shit for a few bucks. I think it's safe to assume that not everyone who appeases their curiosity of "earning mega profits online at bitcointalk forums by bounty hunting!" by clicking through to the threads are all greedy money-grubbing spammers, which seems to be indicated (imo) by the amount of users abandoning their accounts.

I think some of the new accounts that are being created here are done by newbies who doesn't have any bitcoin to pay for the Evil IP thing and that is the reason maybe they abandon their account.

Anyway, this forum is a place for learning and most new users who registered here on the forum have 2 reasons. Either to learn or to earn but most of them are here to earn. They see this forum as their workplace. They are bounty hunters who don't contribute anything but spam to the forum.

People will just end up just buying old addresses which are worthless to most people who have them, but you'll certainly create a new market for them with this suggestion. There would be better ways of doing this as well and I've made a couple recently: You could have special boards that are only available to users who received x amount of merit or users who have made x amount of reports. I think special hidden boards for users who have received a lot of merit or made a lot of reports would be a nice perk and the discussion in there (especially the merit board) would probably be a good way to ensure that only quality discussion goes on.

We already have a serious section, Ivory Tower and the priv key requirement would just lead to another market, we had the accounts market, now the merit market, and we would have old priv key market.

There is absolutely no need for this, remove the signature in a section and no spammer will set foot there.

Those who changed posting habits would not easily get merits from posting because inherently they are shitposters and their habit of shitposting to get paid wont change by the introduction of merit in the profiles. Rather not getting merited/ranked up would make them frustrated to make more shitposts. Still merit has controlled these people from ranking up and thus demoralize these people from doing bounties. Which is a good thing.

In the long run the mentality of "free money" needs to change and thats what merit is helping to achieve. Its not something that is perfect but it is a radical measure to curb these bottomfeeders.

I strongly agree with that, the merit system that had implemented here didn't actually make a thing if we are going to look on the whole forest, there might be some who changed their post into a good quality to acquired some merits to level up their rank but the majority still didn't changed, they are contented on shit posting because they don't want to make efforts on earning merits.

I bet what is running on their minds is that, who does needs merits?, something like that, what I mean is that they could still earn on their current rank while shit posting and there are too many people with that kind of attitude.

Additional to my reply,

If you can see in the reputation section, almost of the accounts that getting red trusts are Jr. Members. There are many people creating multiple accounts that is equivalent to the stakes given in Full Member or Sr. Member on bounties.

These accounts result shitposting in the forum and spreading of toxicity in each threads and discussions.

e.g.

In signature campaign,

Jr. Member - 1 stake
Full Member - 5 stakes

Those people creates 5 accounts to match the income of the Full Member in every campaign. In our local, my goal is to diminish the bounty hunters group that abuse the bounties and send each other some bounty campaign links to gain profit. The abusive activity of bounty hunters show that they just only want money without learning any information about investments, projects and other knowledge in crypto.  

How about an antidote to this along these lines:

let's make a new section "For real" where condition to participate would be similar to

1) have an old private key with a tx in 2015/2014/2013
2) have a current private key with at least 0.1BTC (a typical condition for exchanges' trollboxes)
3) ?

Agreed.  I started out here as a lowly lurker, and at the time I thought bitcoin was some sort of scam based on the amount of scams going on here.  This was around the time that there was a bitcoin magazine being published, and I would have sworn that was going to be a scam as well.  I registered here around the time that I stopped believing that bitcoin wasn't some gigantic electronic money fad.  I didn't know what a signature campaign was until a few months into my time here.

Nowadays we've got people being referred to bitcointalk from friends and family solely for signature campaigns and bounties, and that's not a good thing.  They have zero incentive to be anything other than a shitposter.  Some of them are so illiterate that they couldn't possibly be anything other than that, and once they get banned they start again with a new account that goes undetected until it finally gets banned again.  It's sad and it's frustrating for the rest of us who aren't here for that reason.

Truer words have never been spoken. It's kind of ironic, knowing that there are a bunch of lurker accounts who are here to gain knowledge; I consider these types of users to be healthy for the forums. The irony is that those good users don't often contribute, while the shitposters that are here to earn a quick buck flood the forums

One does not always need to make posts. Some prefer to gain information from this forum and find answers to their question. Not all the accounts registered with the intent to post anything.

While looking and searching spreadsheets in each bounty, I was shocked that almost half of thr participants is a Jr. Member and it's a recently created accounts.

That's the reason why I keep pushing myself reporting those accounts to avoid them earning stakes in the bounty. There's a cycle behind this shitposting scenerio, If a Jr. Member was accused as a cheater and received a Red Trust, they can easily register a new account or there are reserved accounts that is ready again to spam the discussion. As you can see, only 30% of the community who takes the discussion seriously and the rest are just typical bounty hunters who want to earn huge profit by shitposting

So while thinking a solution to this, Merit system should be updated and put some Merit requirement atleast 5 merits before reaching the Jr. Member, Hmm   ?
I think the "Report to Moderator" tool is not enough because there are too many of them, Shitpost there, Shitpost here. This kind of activity is very known even in local boards.  

Regarding in the bounty managers, they don't usually check the accounts of the participants to determine if it's a bounty abusers because it's really hard to manage a Bounty campaign consist of thousand participants. For example, In sylon's bounty, Since he is a good and famous Manager, many people always join to his campaign. If there's no bounty hunting, those people will not exist in this well- organized forum.

Its the manager's choice to think whether they would accept "known alts" or SMAS known spammers into a campaign or even accept a red tagged account. If they are willing to do so then its bad for the project they are advertising but with due respect do the ICO team care about spam or do they just want to exposure?

Its not okay it needs rules to be controlled. If some DT members are going to a harsh stance against such managers they would be called out in the community as trying to monopolise the bounty manager business - even though its actually for the community. But if we have global rules in the forum then it is a different thing. But that wont happen anytime soon.

Funny that there are no copy/paste posts in this thread yet. No one-words replies either. I am often amazing by some of the replies I see on the forum. Sometimes people are so stupid that they literally copy the reply right about theirs and don't add anything at all. I wonder why people waste there time doing that. I don't really completely understand the benefits of having a higher post count. Even if it's greatly beneficial, it seems like you will just get caught immediately with such ineffective tactics. I agree that we could use some better clean-up measures on here.

As alt buster I can tell that a storm of accounts are created only for few posts when they join airdrops, sometimes they use the account for 1 post and after that they change the account.

Would it be outrageous to red-tag the bounty managers with negative feedback for showing untrustworthy behavior by accepting obvious alts and shitposters for their campaigns? I personally find this type of behavior to be untrustworthy... They are just allowing users into their campaign to maximize visibility for their products/clients, and they blatantly turn a blind eye to shitposters and copypasta to make and pay a quick buck. Not okay, in my book.

Negative feedback doesn't deter all members from dealing with that specific account, but at least it will let bounty managers know that they need to take their responsibilities more serious.

Just a thought.