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TheUltraElite

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: kaar on August 05, 2018, 12:58:18 AM

When both solutions are bad, one has to choose the better solution even if it’s far from being perfect. Yes, making a merit/rank requirement for bounty participation will create a whole new black market of merit trading (if it doesn’t already exist...). It will probably have other unwanted effects. However, it will reduce the spam. Dramatically. I believe spam is currently by far the largest and most annoying problem in BTT. Solving it should be top priority even if new issues would arise.

You have no idea of the amount of money these shitposters make from the bounties sections. Take a look the alt accounts reporting thread in "Reputation" and you will see the shitposters who became millionaires by abusing bounties with their alts. Of course every third world beggar will come to this forum to continue this legacy and get paid handsomely in return. Who would want to do a 9-5 Job for such?

Spam is a problem for the forum but its also the job of the bounty manager to keep track of such people. Most of them (except a few) dont do their job properly.

kaar

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on August 04, 2018, 03:34:12 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 04, 2018, 02:00:10 AM

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties. We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

According to hilariousetc on another topic, giving a merit requirement for joining bounties will only make them want to buy merits from other sources.

In my opinion, this can be both good and bad.
Good because we can identify the unscrupulous merit source and theymos can remove their privileges accordingly.
Bad because some people who made good posts but not yet received enough merit would have to wait - so I guess its a job better left to the hands of the bounty manager

When both solutions are bad, one has to choose the better solution even if it’s far from being perfect. Yes, making a merit/rank requirement for bounty participation will create a whole new black market of merit trading (if it doesn’t already exist...). It will probably have other unwanted effects. However, it will reduce the spam. Dramatically. I believe spam is currently by far the largest and most annoying problem in BTT. Solving it should be top priority even if new issues would arise.

Makkara

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Quote from: pugman on August 03, 2018, 06:41:49 PM

These new accounts can possibly even mean nuked accounts, right? While,I am seeing a lot of accounts being created and never being used, I don't see any reason for it.

for what i have seen those account, or part of them, are being used to participate in all sort of bounties, i have been controling an airdrop spreadsheet and found out many of those users in there didn't exist anymore. I seriously doubt that all those new accounts are created for no reason at all.

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Quote from: Vod on August 03, 2018, 06:23:28 PM

Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

Seems like the merit system is playing a vital role for this forum.

Cryptospace is still relatively new. People do not know much about this space and as a result it's really easy to be misguided. Those who know the trick they use it to scam people. Think about all these ICOs, average joes think that the tokens they create is going to make them rich. They fail to understand that most of these tokens are not any currency at all. These are like internal points for a system. The ICOs list them to the exchanges and people are spending their BTC to buy them. It's a shame. To gain some free useless tokens, these same average groups are spamming this forum, this is my observation so far.

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Actually, after the merit system,I see a lot of plagiarism, use of text spinners and what not. so...

In other words article spinners. It's really hard to spot plagiarism when someone use article spinners.

@stompix

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God...what the hell I'm doing with my life

Drinking beer Tongue

@speem28

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we will be seeing less people signing up supposedly.

A forum needs new members coming in however you need quality over quantity.

@jackg

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If there is a requirement to join in bounties then people will be striking up deals with each other for merits...

I guess trading merit is wrong besides I read somewhere that it is not allowed to trade merit points.

gilangIDR

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Quote from: Vod on August 03, 2018, 06:23:28 PM

Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up? Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign. Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up. Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

These are things we are currently facing, this is inevitable because everyone knows that in this forum we are given the opportunity to earn income. I will not close my eyes that there is a sale and purchase transaction of a BTT account. This is the basis that nowadays more and more people are trying to make many accounts and what they have in mind is how to get a greater chance of earning income. Most of them don't give useful contributions and just make spam, but don't say that applies to everyone because there are still users who do have quality and they join this forum with the aim of gaining knowledge and experience around the world of cryptocurrencies.

hilariousetc

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Quote from: Vod on August 03, 2018, 06:23:28 PM

Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up? Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign. Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up. Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

Most new accounts don't seem to be conributing anything at all here. Most are just bounty hunters or people looking to sig spam because their schoolmate/workmate/cousin/sister told them they can earn here. The ones that don't make any posts are likely either nuked, proxybanned or never made it past the six minute limitations etc. If you have a bot that tries to post every few seconds but has to wait six minutes then they'll never get anywhere.

Quote from: xolxol on August 04, 2018, 03:12:19 AM

Quote from: aksen on August 04, 2018, 03:02:54 AM

Some possible solution for this :

1) Asking for email verification. Will reduce registration with bots.

2) Deleting old accounts with no activity.

3) IP restrictions being made more tough.

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.

Wont possible theymos doesnt want these email verifications as well as KYC for the members,deleting old accounts with no activity wont change anything.
IP Restriction could be bypassed by any VPN provider i personally use one so that i would stay anonymous atleast you can also use other browsers like TOR.
Most of the new accounts coming from those members who wants to earn more money with these signature campaigns which is the main cause of spam in this forum.

Email verification is hardly KYC. I don't think I've ever joined a forum that didn't require you to verify your email. Seems a basic requirement and it would help curb a lot of bots or at least it's one more hoop for them to jump through.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 04, 2018, 02:00:10 AM

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties. We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

It would be better to take them on a case by case basis. Any shitposter with a handful of accounts could probably give himself enough merit to meet the minimum merit requirements to join, whereas a great poster just may have slipped through the cracks. If a great poster applies but hasn't got any or much merits then I don't think they should be denied.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 04, 2018, 04:33:32 AM

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Should have some trials for these bots,if they cant verify the image for 3x they should be permanently banned immediately.

I've had captchas that took me longer than that to solve.

It wouldn't be a problem for the bots either. reCAPTCHA uses tokens to verify solving the challenge. Each token is valid for 2 minutes and is accepted for any captcha on that domain. So they have a server just brute forcing captcha solves until it gets a token for bitcointalk.org and then it can be passed out to a waiting worker bot to use. You'll never see a bot failing the captcha.

jackg

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Quote from: pugman on August 03, 2018, 06:59:25 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 03, 2018, 06:58:49 PM

Plagiarism etc can be easily handled due to the smaller numbers compared to accounts that just joined to get rich...

Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts. Undecided

They are handled only if they are reported.

I don't think it is actually in some cases. A lot of text spinners will change some of the text but with things like examples that people use and the general layout of the post, sometimes it can be a dead giveaway that they have copied and pasted the information.

Quote from: TheUltraElite on August 04, 2018, 03:34:12 AM

According to hilariousetc on another topic, giving a merit requirement for joining bounties will only make them want to buy merits from other sources.

Why according to hilariousetc, this is obviously going to happen?
If there is a requirement to join in bounties then people will be striking up deals with each other for merits...

LoyceV

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Quote from: xolxol on August 04, 2018, 03:41:29 AM

bots can be prevented by some image verification like the one we have when we are logging in our accounts IMO.

That doesn't stop the bots, while it's very annoying for legit (Tor) users.

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There were no bots from the past few years but suddenly they just appeared and worsen the spam problem to this forum.

The money grabbing ICOs made bump bots a business (charging up to $1000 per thread per week).

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Should have some trials for these bots,if they cant verify the image for 3x they should be permanently banned immediately.

I've had captchas that took me longer than that to solve.

xolxol

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 04, 2018, 03:10:34 AM

many homograph-bots banned

bots can be prevented by some image verification like the one we have when we are logging in our accounts IMO.
There were no bots from the past few years but suddenly they just appeared and worsen the spam problem to this forum.Should have some trials for these bots,if they cant verify the image for 3x they should be permanently banned immediately.

TheUltraElite

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Activity: 2898

Merit: 1253

So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 04, 2018, 02:00:10 AM

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties. We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

According to hilariousetc on another topic, giving a merit requirement for joining bounties will only make them want to buy merits from other sources.

In my opinion, this can be both good and bad.
Good because we can identify the unscrupulous merit source and theymos can remove their privileges accordingly.
Bad because some people who made good posts but not yet received enough merit would have to wait - so I guess its a job better left to the hands of the bounty manager

Quote from: aksen on August 04, 2018, 03:02:54 AM

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.

You refuted your own suggestion.

aksen

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Quote from: xolxol on August 04, 2018, 03:12:19 AM

Most of the new accounts coming from those members who wants to earn more money with these signature campaigns which is the main cause of spam in this forum.

I think there are a lot of accounts being registered on the forum and being left inactive. You can see many such accounts registered years before without a single post. They are not posting anything here and thus not the cause of spam. May be they are aging the accounts for use in future.

And, you are right about the possible limitations or loopholes for the suggestions I gave.

xolxol

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Quote from: aksen on August 04, 2018, 03:02:54 AM

Some possible solution for this :

1) Asking for email verification. Will reduce registration with bots.

2) Deleting old accounts with no activity.

3) IP restrictions being made more tough.

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.

Wont possible theymos doesnt want these email verifications as well as KYC for the members,deleting old accounts with no activity wont change anything.
IP Restriction could be bypassed by any VPN provider i personally use one so that i would stay anonymous atleast you can also use other browsers like TOR.
Most of the new accounts coming from those members who wants to earn more money with these signature campaigns which is the main cause of spam in this forum.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Thirdspace on August 03, 2018, 06:55:17 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 03, 2018, 06:23:28 PM

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

most likely those are accounts that got proxy-banned and abandoned by the users
and probably some are accounts that actually got nuked by admins

There's a third category: New accounts prepared to start a spam run when needed. Considering the large number of new accounts, it's either bots registering, or a clickfarm. I wouldn't be surprised if spammers pay people to register new accounts.
If they're proxy-banned, they're most likely abandoned. But if they slip through, it's stockpiled for later use.

Quote from: stompix on August 03, 2018, 07:36:37 PM

I find plagiarism easier to deal with that pure one line shitposting

It depends: the plagiarism bots quickly evolve: they now shuffle words, replace them by synonyms, and/or do a homograph attack.
Lately, I (and others) have gotten many homograph-bots banned. I think this actually hit them, because for the past few days, barely any new homographs were posted. The homographs were actually easier to get banned than "normal" spam, I don't know what they're using now.
Just like bump bots now use self-moderated threads to circumvent the 24h delete restriction.

aksen

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Some possible solution for this :

1) Asking for email verification. Will reduce registration with bots.

2) Deleting old accounts with no activity.

3) IP restrictions being made more tough.

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.

xolxol

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 04, 2018, 02:00:10 AM

Quote from: speem28 on August 04, 2018, 01:46:28 AM

There will be an end to it just as @Vod said that we just need to wait until all the sMerit circling in the forum been used up from those shitposters.

I'm willing to wait (not that I have a choice), and I do agree that it'll happen with time. I do think merit sources should be fairly selective who they give merits to. We have at least one who gives 20 merits out routinely, which I think is excessive in most cases.

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties. We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

Totally agreed,should have some required merits but i doubt all of these campaign managers will cooperate.We should only allow those managers who required merits to create a bounty thread in that spam section.Spam wont stop unless these managers will require merits,because these shitty posters wont be able to participate nor benefit in the forum eventually they will leave for good.

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Quote from: speem28 on August 04, 2018, 01:46:28 AM

There will be an end to it just as @Vod said that we just need to wait until all the sMerit circling in the forum been used up from those shitposters.

I'm willing to wait (not that I have a choice), and I do agree that it'll happen with time. I do think merit sources should be fairly selective who they give merits to. We have at least one who gives 20 merits out routinely, which I think is excessive in most cases.

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties. We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

speem28

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Quote from: stompix on August 03, 2018, 07:56:22 PM

Hihi, I was just joking a little, or acting like a drama queen Cheesy

but I really sometimes feel depressed and powerless seeing the wave of copy-pasting in the alt section and I wonder if there will ever be an end to it.

There will be an end to it just as @Vod said that we just need to wait until all the sMerit circling in the forum been used up from those shitposters.

The same thing will happen now when most forum members discovered this forum through friends telling them that this is an easy way to earn money, the only difference now is that other people will discover this will know that its not and it is really hard to ranked up. So we will be seeing less people signing up supposedly.

stompix

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Hihi, I was just joking a little, or acting like a drama queen Cheesy

but I really sometimes feel depressed and powerless seeing the wave of copy-pasting in the alt section and I wonder if there will ever be an end to it.

I just started hunting for them after a moron decided my posts are too bad and used text-spinning to "improve" them, but spending an hour or two on this makes me think how do the mods manage to stay sane reading all those posts?
I swear, sometimes I feel like I'm going nuts if I read for the 20th time the same bs just with a two/three word difference.

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Quote from: stompix on August 03, 2018, 07:36:37 PM

Quote from: pugman on August 03, 2018, 06:59:25 PM

Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts. Undecided

They are handled only if they are reported.

I find plagiarism easier to deal with that pure one line shitposting

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August 03, 2018, 10:15:06 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   ggh0stt1   Good
August 03, 2018, 10:11:54 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   msadikot53   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:56:19 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   bsetyawan   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:54:31 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   Thekingofgodftu01   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:52:23 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   mudra102   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:50:09 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   agiskasep   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:47:38 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   tantegope00l   Good

Pick a megathread in the altcoin discussion, just search for the matching text on the last 3-4 pages, report 10 or so copy-pasters till you feel you're going to get dumb just from reading that much crap, and then enjoy a beer while refreshing the modlog to see them getting banned

God...what the hell I'm doing with my life Huh

You're helping the forums, that's what.

I just recently learned about the modlog, so I'll be doing the same thing as you moving forward. The shit we geek out on on these forums... I guess it just means that we care

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