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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 26, 2023, 02:50:49 AM

Yes the pressure is high, but I thought this year as world champion some of the pressure should already be off and he will have a consistent year, unfortunately it was not like that and he now has to perform well and safely until the end of the season.

And what I can't stop thinking about this season is that when Bagnaia crashed, it was Bezzecchi who won the race. This has happened three times this season so Bezzecchi still has to be considered as a candidate to win along with Martin because both of them always put more pressure on Bagnaia. And the rest of this season will be even more exciting in MotoGP because the points gap is getting closer now.

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Every now and then a safe second or third place is better than a crowbar to first and maybe a crash, at least in view of the world championship. I also think that Bagnaia will finish close, but Bezzecchi and Martin have "tasted blood" and have little to lose and are currently very safe and fast in form.

In the remaining races this season, Bagnaia has to consider this because he must always be on the podium in order to secure points and himself in the standings. Because if he crashes and loses more points it will make him unable to defend the world championship for this season again, especially now that Bezzecchi and Martin are still very thirsty to continue to win in every race and Sprint race.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 26, 2023, 02:50:49 AM

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The pressure of competition in motorbike racing is enormous, especially at the highest level like MotoGP. Bagnaia will definitely feel the pressure to perform well and maintain his points lead. However, I am sure that Bagnaia will maintain his position at the top of the standings, even though personal mistakes can be an important factor in losing points, this will be a lesson for Bagnaia in the next race.
Therefore, consistency is an important factor for Bagnaia if he wants to defend his title. and don't make unnecessary mistakes

Yes the pressure is high, but I thought this year as world champion some of the pressure should already be off and he will have a consistent year, unfortunately it was not like that and he now has to perform well and safely until the end of the season.

Every now and then a safe second or third place is better than a crowbar to first and maybe a crash, at least in view of the world championship. I also think that Bagnaia will finish close, but Bezzecchi and Martin have "tasted blood" and have little to lose and are currently very safe and fast in form.

Bagnaia should be very careful right now and even be a rational rider rather than chasing the win.He should not only think about this season Championship but also for the upcoming one next year as another crash will not cost him only this title but most probably he will become like Marquez then,keep falling and crashing and the damage will be hard to recover.

Based on this I think higher chances to win this season MotoGP are for the runners up as they have got nothing to lose,they are second and third and they can only gain if they push a little,of course they will take such risk as they have not had a bad crash as of yet.

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Quote from: budi691 on September 25, 2023, 10:18:26 AM

The pressure of competition in motorbike racing is enormous, especially at the highest level like MotoGP. Bagnaia will definitely feel the pressure to perform well and maintain his points lead. However, I am sure that Bagnaia will maintain his position at the top of the standings, even though personal mistakes can be an important factor in losing points, this will be a lesson for Bagnaia in the next race.
Therefore, consistency is an important factor for Bagnaia if he wants to defend his title. and don't make unnecessary mistakes

Yes the pressure is high, but I thought this year as world champion some of the pressure should already be off and he will have a consistent year, unfortunately it was not like that and he now has to perform well and safely until the end of the season.

Every now and then a safe second or third place is better than a crowbar to first and maybe a crash, at least in view of the world championship. I also think that Bagnaia will finish close, but Bezzecchi and Martin have "tasted blood" and have little to lose and are currently very safe and fast in form.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 24, 2023, 01:07:37 PM

It's getting close for Bagnaia, the crash today was very bad for the championship and he has very little lead now, Martin and Bezzecchi are having a simple run at the moment and Bagnaia is giving away too many points with the crashes.

The accident that happened to Bagnaia on Sunday in the Indian MotoGP race was very detrimental to him because as a result of this it made two riders from the Satellit Ducati team start to cut the points gap after being able to finish first and second in the Indian MotoGP race. The two riders are the ones you mentioned, namely Bezzecchi and Martin, even though Martin experienced quite high levels of dehydration when the race started with only a few laps remaining so he almost missed out on the second podium at that time because Quartararo was very close to him with only a few laps remaining in the race.

However, Martin was able to secure the second podium even though after finishing he went straight to his team's garage to ask his own team crew for water and on the other hand, Bagnaia also admitted his mistake in choosing the front tire because he admitted that he suffered a lot throughout the practice session when using the medium front tire.

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Now there is a break of one week before Qatar GP. I was really used to watching races every week so it feels like there is an emptiness inside me this week. Sad

Red Bull have officially announced their constructors championship thanks to Verstappen's wonderful peformance in Japan. There was even an interesting situation about this. Even if Perez didn't collect any points in the season until now Verstappen was still going to be able to keep Red Bull at top. I guess this is enough to show how incredible Verstappen is now. Grin

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 25, 2023, 10:28:56 AM

Such a wonderful race weekend for Verstappen! But his performance made the race really boring to watch for me. I at least waited for some competition for other places like podium. But there wasn't any for that either. Ferrari drivers should have been better in this Grand Prix. If they improved the competition level a little more then the race would have been more exciting.

I was really disappointed with Perez's performance. He was like his mind was on something else. Because he didn't seem he was concentrated on the race. His very bad performance led to his retiring the car. But still Red Bull became the champion constructor thanks to Verstappen's high effort.

After the singapore gp, it made me wonder if verstappen was really going to have a drop in performance, but he did it again. It won't change after this time. Redbull will continue to make a name for itself for 2-3 years, since it won't produce a terrible car in the following years. I can watch the race to see who will be second, but there is no drama, it's been very unpleasant. People, including me, might complain that redbull and max are dominating the grid. What should they do, if they have talent? Should they make the car bad? Max is utterly amazing and we should be glad to witness his career.

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Such a wonderful race weekend for Verstappen! But his performance made the race really boring to watch for me. I at least waited for some competition for other places like podium. But there wasn't any for that either. Ferrari drivers should have been better in this Grand Prix. If they improved the competition level a little more then the race would have been more exciting.

I was really disappointed with Perez's performance. He was like his mind was on something else. Because he didn't seem he was concentrated on the race. His very bad performance led to his retiring the car. But still Red Bull became the champion constructor thanks to Verstappen's high effort.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 25, 2023, 07:35:12 AM

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it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

I think Bezzecchi would have won the race even without Bagnaia's crash, the pressure on Bagnaia will definitely increase now and he needs Konstanze again in the next races, otherwise it could be difficult to defend the world championship. Bagnaia is simply dropping too many points and that is partly his own fault.

The pressure of competition in motorbike racing is enormous, especially at the highest level like MotoGP. Bagnaia will definitely feel the pressure to perform well and maintain his points lead. However, I am sure that Bagnaia will maintain his position at the top of the standings, even though personal mistakes can be an important factor in losing points, this will be a lesson for Bagnaia in the next race.
Therefore, consistency is an important factor for Bagnaia if he wants to defend his title. and don't make unnecessary mistakes

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 25, 2023, 07:35:12 AM

Quote from: moneystery on September 25, 2023, 06:48:46 AM

it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

I think Bezzecchi would have won the race even without Bagnaia's crash, the pressure on Bagnaia will definitely increase now and he needs Konstanze again in the next races, otherwise it could be difficult to defend the world championship. Bagnaia is simply dropping too many points and that is partly his own fault.

Agree. A classic mistake, Francesco Bagnaia was careless, making his own mistakes and falling.
The new circuit provides new challenges for racers.
Racers must quickly adapt to master the racing field to provide their best performance.
Marco Bezzecchi became the fourth racer to win at a new circuit out of seven new circuits in the last six years.
The other three racers are Miguel Oliveira, Andrea Iannone, and Marc Marquez.

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Quote from: moneystery on September 25, 2023, 06:48:46 AM

it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

I think Bezzecchi would have won the race even without Bagnaia's crash, the pressure on Bagnaia will definitely increase now and he needs Konstanze again in the next races, otherwise it could be difficult to defend the world championship. Bagnaia is simply dropping too many points and that is partly his own fault.

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

Max has consistently shown that he is a very good driver since the early stages by being able to always beat his team mates whoever they were and Ricciardo was one of them which for me is a very good driver overall.

I think nobody can say that he is a bad driver.
We can discuss how good he is.

Even Hamilton was a god but when he got another decent driver in his team he lost the title (Rosberg)

Yeah but this depends only on the team management and not on Max,I am sure Max would not mind having Hamilton as a team mate as he knows Hamilton is near 40 and this would be a great opportunity to him to beat Hamilton in the same car.I know that maybe deep inside he wants to have Perez as a team mate but I think that after having this third title he would be very much entertained to have Hamilton as a team mate,the age difference will play a huge difference in the driving style and of course I think Verstappen would be the better driver here only thanks to the age as I cannot clearly distinguish which one is better from the two.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 24, 2023, 01:07:37 PM

Quote from: Davian144 on September 24, 2023, 04:46:08 AM

Today's weather conditions in India are very sunny and hot, so there is the possibility of quite a fierce fight if there are no incidents like yesterday at several corners, including the first corner, because there is a very vulnerable situation for every rider to get hit. Soon the Indian MotoGP Race will start and in my opinion this schedule is a little early because India is a country in the Asian region, now let's get ready to watch the MotoGP Race on a new circuit this season with the second longest track after Mugello.

It's getting close for Bagnaia, the crash today was very bad for the championship and he has very little lead now, Martin and Bezzecchi are having a simple run at the moment and Bagnaia is giving away too many points with the crashes.

it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 24, 2023, 02:57:30 PM

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

Max has consistently shown that he is a very good driver since the early stages by being able to always beat his team mates whoever they were and Ricciardo was one of them which for me is a very good driver overall.

I think nobody can say that he is a bad driver.
We can discuss how good he is.

Even Hamilton was a god but when he got another decent driver in his team he lost the title (Rosberg)

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 24, 2023, 01:59:50 PM

RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

Max has consistently shown that he is a very good driver since the early stages by being able to always beat his team mates whoever they were and Ricciardo was one of them which for me is a very good driver overall.

Regarding Perez I always think that he was hyped more by the media than he has delivered,I never liked him since his time at McLaren where he had a relatively quick car and he kept failing to deliver with such car,the times with Force India where he got his first win was all about luck but that win pumped him to better and better teams until he came to Redbull where he had won some races.He though can never be compared to Verstappen as he is way to damn slow compared to him,in this race of today he was completely sleeping and trying lame attempts overtaking that saw him retiring from the race.

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Suzuka gave us interesting race, but as usual, there was no fight for win. Red Bull already too construcors championship trophy. What a great race for Mclaren with both drivers on podium. And Piastri - it doesn't happens often when driver on his rookie season reach podium.
It looked a bit ridiculous when Mercdes tried to copy Ferrari defense strategy with DRS. They had no chance to protect Russel and keep Sainz behind.

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

I would say that Perez is bad. It's not that he has different car than Max or some other reasons. That accident was completely his fault. There was few races when he showed signs of recovery, but now he is back to usual business. Though, most of drivers probably would look bad in shadow of Verstappen. Still, despite it, Red Bull got early constructors championship trophy.

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

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Quote from: Davian144 on September 24, 2023, 04:46:08 AM

Today's weather conditions in India are very sunny and hot, so there is the possibility of quite a fierce fight if there are no incidents like yesterday at several corners, including the first corner, because there is a very vulnerable situation for every rider to get hit. Soon the Indian MotoGP Race will start and in my opinion this schedule is a little early because India is a country in the Asian region, now let's get ready to watch the MotoGP Race on a new circuit this season with the second longest track after Mugello.

It's getting close for Bagnaia, the crash today was very bad for the championship and he has very little lead now, Martin and Bezzecchi are having a simple run at the moment and Bagnaia is giving away too many points with the crashes.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 23, 2023, 03:59:56 AM

Verstappen is back in business again.

It was such an amazing qualifying performance by him. He took pole position by a really significant time gap. Just as I expected he is very ambitious to make up for the result of the Singapore GP. I will be expecting the same performance from him in the race as well. I can't imagine the time gap there.

Singapore really is Max's weakness, although still pretty impressive nonetheless. Half a second time gap from the second best driver of the day is really something else. His teammate seem to be struggling in getting around the corners though, and even performed worse than the free practice session. Expecting to see Max conquer Japan GP with effort and stunning results (as always), while I'm hoping for Perez to grind more and come close to what his teammate is achieving in this track.

Yes,Max has never won in Singapore but this year Singapore race he was the unluckiest person on earth,the Safety Car was deployed just when it was needed for the Ferraris while Max was forced to continue as they were in different race strategies and that was the hit that blown away every hope of Verstappen to do better.I am not saying that he was going to win the race but at least we would have seen an even more intense race than it was and of course would have been much more beautiful in the end.

He recovered directly now in Japan and gave near 20 seconds distance to the second place,it shows it was just a mistake of the Redbull team in strategy,setup and everything in Singapore while today he won a perfect race.

He's a completely different beast in other tracks, it's just that Singapore isn't really good to him during his years in the F1 scene. He's performing really well in Japan GP, and it seems that they already have a flawless strategy heading on to Japan as they are posting huge gaps from the second placer.

Right now, I'm interested on other teams and drivers as we all know that RBR gets this whole leg without any problem, even though Perez is somewhat trailing sometimes despite having the same car.

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What a race! Suzuka really offers exciting racing for F1 fans. Starting from Yuki and Lawson who went side by side on the first lap, Hamilton and Russell who overtook each other, Team Ferrari who really chased Team McLaren, and 5 drivers who left the race. Good job to the team who tried their best to show their best performance, but the championship is still for RBR and also they are the best constructor this year - RBR really deserves it.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 23, 2023, 05:18:33 PM

Quote from: Velvet78 on September 23, 2023, 03:59:56 AM

Verstappen is back in business again.

It was such an amazing qualifying performance by him. He took pole position by a really significant time gap. Just as I expected he is very ambitious to make up for the result of the Singapore GP. I will be expecting the same performance from him in the race as well. I can't imagine the time gap there.

Singapore really is Max's weakness, although still pretty impressive nonetheless. Half a second time gap from the second best driver of the day is really something else. His teammate seem to be struggling in getting around the corners though, and even performed worse than the free practice session. Expecting to see Max conquer Japan GP with effort and stunning results (as always), while I'm hoping for Perez to grind more and come close to what his teammate is achieving in this track.

Yes,Max has never won in Singapore but this year Singapore race he was the unluckiest person on earth,the Safety Car was deployed just when it was needed for the Ferraris while Max was forced to continue as they were in different race strategies and that was the hit that blown away every hope of Verstappen to do better.I am not saying that he was going to win the race but at least we would have seen an even more intense race than it was and of course would have been much more beautiful in the end.

He recovered directly now in Japan and gave near 20 seconds distance to the second place,it shows it was just a mistake of the Redbull team in strategy,setup and everything in Singapore while today he won a perfect race.

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