It is another race week with an awkward order. I mean I think qualifying should be on Saturday rather than Friday. At the same time sprint shootout and sprint race should be on Friday. Because qualifying results determine the grid for the race as you know. Hence isn't it better to have this session right before the race? It looks weird to see it taking place two days before the main race. But I have heard that FIA are working on that now. However that change won't happen this season as it seems.
They are planning to change the system to the version I'm talking about by next season. It is still good to see that because I believe sprint day shouldn't divide qualifying and race this much.
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July 28, 2023, 05:56:24 AM
July 28, 2023, 05:31:18 AM
Yeah, according to Sky RBR may have done it again and broken the budget cup this year too.
Not only a rumor, it will be confirmed or denied soon, very soon.
Not only a rumor, it will be confirmed or denied soon, very soon.
July 27, 2023, 07:17:14 PM
Are you aware of Toto Wolff (Mercedes) last comment about the spending cap?
He called for a change in the rules, believing that staff at non-Formula 1 teams should be fully protected in future editions to prevent loopholes in the cost cap being exploited.
Indeed, it is clear that a number of teams are benefiting from using parts of their non-F1 business (individuals and outside companies) to help drive their cars' progress into the premier category of world motorsport.
The publication of the technical guideline (TD45) banning the out-of-cost transfer of IP from non-F1 companies to teams has largely resolved the problem, but it is clear that there are still some 'grey areas' that need to be addressed. better addressed, and Mercedes is very unhappy with what its competitors are doing "within the law".
He called for a change in the rules, believing that staff at non-Formula 1 teams should be fully protected in future editions to prevent loopholes in the cost cap being exploited.
Indeed, it is clear that a number of teams are benefiting from using parts of their non-F1 business (individuals and outside companies) to help drive their cars' progress into the premier category of world motorsport.
The publication of the technical guideline (TD45) banning the out-of-cost transfer of IP from non-F1 companies to teams has largely resolved the problem, but it is clear that there are still some 'grey areas' that need to be addressed. better addressed, and Mercedes is very unhappy with what its competitors are doing "within the law".
July 27, 2023, 06:45:00 PM
We are going to watch quite many events under rain most probably thanks to the sprint race added as well. I wonder whether Verstappen can preserve the same level of domination this year too. He had everything under control for the whole race weekend in the previous season. This time hopefully we see something different.
I don't have much hope about a different driver to win the race though. But the qualifying can be quite interesting if it rains quite much during the session. I would expect a solid effort to get to pole position from Norris and Hamilton especially.
I don't have much hope about a different driver to win the race though. But the qualifying can be quite interesting if it rains quite much during the session. I would expect a solid effort to get to pole position from Norris and Hamilton especially.
July 27, 2023, 05:28:50 PM
Yeah, this track has a sprint race this year, they are doing a rotation within tracks.
For example this year they introduced at Spa and removed from Monza.
For example this year they introduced at Spa and removed from Monza.
July 26, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
Yeah, I checked the weather too. Rain has been happening noticeably more lately. :/ It's prolly time to reschedule these races that suffer from rain almost every year. Maybe European races should be reschduled at the beginning of the season? It's so unfair for those fans making the trip at Spa and get nothing but getting soaked in the rain.
Here's the schedule for the race weekend. Let's hope for no rain for the fans' sake.
2023 F1 Belgian GP Schedule
28 JUL: Practice 1 13:30 - 14:30
28 JUL: Qualifying 17:00 - 18:00
29 JUL: Sprint Shootout 12:00 - 12:45
29 JUL: Sprint 16:30 - 17:30
30 JUL: Race 15:00
Didn't know this GP is gonna be in the new format.
July 26, 2023, 07:47:12 AM
While I would love to see the rain in SPA I remember the race before two seasons which barely the drivers made 2 laps under the red flag and the race ended with that classification and I would not want to see such thing happening again,back then the rain intensity was extreme and the fans there were magnificent waiting for more than 4 hours in that heavy rain before FIA decided to conduct a just two laps race,we don't want anymore that rain intensity.
If rain is enough to make the race happen it would be a welcome change as finally we would love to see some other drivers rather than Verstappen have a chance to win the race as in the rain and in a long track like this one anything can happen.
If rain is enough to make the race happen it would be a welcome change as finally we would love to see some other drivers rather than Verstappen have a chance to win the race as in the rain and in a long track like this one anything can happen.
July 26, 2023, 06:38:41 AM
Another race week with lots of rain. We'll definitely see a lot of slips and crashes from a lot of drivers. Hopefully not a boring week for the fans seeing Verstappen just taking off against those who are behind him. The previous fights to the podium has been hella interesting, with Hamilton trying to get that 2nd spot but always being edged out by Perez in the last few laps.
@dothebeats I won’t be surprised if Verstappen easily win’s once again because currently each and every driver is clearly struggling to match his intensity and thus he’s my favourite driver to win the upcoming race. Lastly with rains on this race should definitely be interesting but a lot would depend on the risks drivers take otherwise it could get boring really soon if they decide to play it safe.
July 26, 2023, 06:08:43 AM
Things can get very challenging under rain on this track. It just becomes quite dangerous to drive on when it rains heavily there. But it is still doubtful whether it would affect Verstappen's performance negatively. He is just dominating races under every kind of condition. 
But maybe the time gap wouldn't be as big as last season this time.
Rain creates a big chance to seeing surprising names in top places too of course. It feels like Ferrari will mess it up in qualifying session here. We have seen it before. In Canada the tyre strategy in the qualifying session wasn't good enough which caused their drivers to complete the session in bad places.
Here in Spa I won't be surprised if we see a similar scenario for Ferrari.
But maybe the time gap wouldn't be as big as last season this time.Rain creates a big chance to seeing surprising names in top places too of course. It feels like Ferrari will mess it up in qualifying session here. We have seen it before. In Canada the tyre strategy in the qualifying session wasn't good enough which caused their drivers to complete the session in bad places.
Here in Spa I won't be surprised if we see a similar scenario for Ferrari.
July 25, 2023, 07:59:06 PM
Another race week with lots of rain. We'll definitely see a lot of slips and crashes from a lot of drivers. Hopefully not a boring week for the fans seeing Verstappen just taking off against those who are behind him. The previous fights to the podium has been hella interesting, with Hamilton trying to get that 2nd spot but always being edged out by Perez in the last few laps.
July 25, 2023, 07:10:03 PM
When it comes to Spa, rain isn't best news that we can get. I hope I don't have to remind ''race'' that we had in 2021. Also, fatal crash of Dilano van 't Hoff happened during rain, so, I think that F1 will be extremely cautious if there will be rain.
Seems that there will be very low temperatures, almost 2x lower than we had in Hungary.
Seems that there will be very low temperatures, almost 2x lower than we had in Hungary.
In fact the rain has been quite present The rain in the last six F1 disputes this season... it greatly influenced the results of Montreal, Spiebleg and Silverstone, even the Monaco GP where it only rained in some parts of the track the dynamics of the race It completely changed the dynamics of teams.
In the specific case of Spa-Francorchamps, I agree with you because I remember too that at this year near Lotus championship, it was completely flooded after heavy rains hit the circuit. The amount of water was so excessive on the track that the drainage system could not handle it, with a real flood forming on the track and a waterfall of water in the stands towards the track until the Eau Rouge curve.
Obviously, from 2021 onwards, this must have gone through adjustments, because I hope the weather forecast is confirmed.... F1 is much more interesting when it rains
July 25, 2023, 06:42:19 PM
One mopre gp this week and one more week with rain
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Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=weather+spa+francorchamps&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=AB5stBjhQYDmL_ZKXkNYu2IDwxcipOrWQQ%3A1690315578828&ei=OivAZLuNMsuOxc8Pkv2JgAc&ved=0ahUKEwi7komd1KqAAxVLR_EDHZJ-AnAQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=weather+spa+francorchamps&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGXdlYXRoZXIgc3BhIGZyYW5jb3JjaGFtcHMyDRAAGIAEGMsBGEYYgAIyBRAAGIAEMgoQABiABBgUGIcCMgUQABiABDIIEAAYigUYhgMyCBAAGIoFGIYDMggQABiKBRiGA0jcC1CaAVjrCXABeAGQAQCYAXegAaEFqgEDNC4zuAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICChAAGIoFGLADGEPCAhAQLhiKBRjIAxiwAxhD2AEBwgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgcQABgNGIAEwgIKECEYoAEYwwQYCuIDBBgAIEGIBgGQBhC6BgYIARABGAg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
When it comes to Spa, rain isn't best news that we can get. I hope I don't have to remind ''race'' that we had in 2021. Also, fatal crash of Dilano van 't Hoff happened during rain, so, I think that F1 will be extremely cautious if there will be rain.https://i.vgy.me/fhCMdP.png
Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=weather+spa+francorchamps&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=AB5stBjhQYDmL_ZKXkNYu2IDwxcipOrWQQ%3A1690315578828&ei=OivAZLuNMsuOxc8Pkv2JgAc&ved=0ahUKEwi7komd1KqAAxVLR_EDHZJ-AnAQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=weather+spa+francorchamps&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGXdlYXRoZXIgc3BhIGZyYW5jb3JjaGFtcHMyDRAAGIAEGMsBGEYYgAIyBRAAGIAEMgoQABiABBgUGIcCMgUQABiABDIIEAAYigUYhgMyCBAAGIoFGIYDMggQABiKBRiGA0jcC1CaAVjrCXABeAGQAQCYAXegAaEFqgEDNC4zuAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICChAAGIoFGLADGEPCAhAQLhiKBRjIAxiwAxhD2AEBwgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAgcQABgNGIAEwgIKECEYoAEYwwQYCuIDBBgAIEGIBgGQBhC6BgYIARABGAg&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Seems that there will be very low temperatures, almost 2x lower than we had in Hungary.
July 25, 2023, 04:07:44 PM
July 25, 2023, 03:35:03 PM
In terms of a challenge for winning the race it was boring. Verstappen didn't have any difficulty as usual. However if we assess the race from a wider aspect I can't say it was boring as well. There was some really good competition among the drivers behind. Especially the competition for finishing on the podium was worth watching to me. Perez's climb deserved a big appreciation. Hamilton's high effort in the last times of the race wasn't enough to push Perez out of the podium.
This week we are going to Belgium. Spa track has always been one of the special tracks for me. Now we will have a sprint race as an addition to this race week as well.
This week we are going to Belgium. Spa track has always been one of the special tracks for me. Now we will have a sprint race as an addition to this race week as well.
July 25, 2023, 04:46:24 AM
I wouldn't say "boring" considering the Perez climb, Norris and Piastri between Perez, and Hamilton trying to hold. All those things mattered, even Ferrari trying to have a decent race but failing to get where they want to and yet not to also have zero points, all those things matter.
Along with Daniel Ricciardo having a crash at the start of the race, Zhou had anti-stall so he got out very late but at least he got out and yet failed to stop on time and hit Daniel Ricciardo and then he hit both Alpines who were out of the race even before first lap, which is a terrible thing of course for Alpine, and caused Ricciardo to not have a great first race as he hoped to have, and could have. See, these are all within one race, that's fun if you know the story behind everything and not just watch cars go around.
Along with Daniel Ricciardo having a crash at the start of the race, Zhou had anti-stall so he got out very late but at least he got out and yet failed to stop on time and hit Daniel Ricciardo and then he hit both Alpines who were out of the race even before first lap, which is a terrible thing of course for Alpine, and caused Ricciardo to not have a great first race as he hoped to have, and could have. See, these are all within one race, that's fun if you know the story behind everything and not just watch cars go around.
July 24, 2023, 06:46:41 AM
Hamilton could have made the first laps of the race more delightful to watch at least. But that start resulted in being out of podium for him. I was expecting another podium with Norris and Hamilton after the British GP as well. McLaren has already become the second fastest team on the grid now. Mercedes and Ferrari are changing places quite often.
When it comes to Perez he has become really interesting lately. I mean his qualifying performance has been really inadequate but his performance in race is totally the opposite. He could have lost his place on podium though if there were one or two more laps left. But the most important point is that he finished on podium despite the place he started in.
When it comes to Perez he has become really interesting lately. I mean his qualifying performance has been really inadequate but his performance in race is totally the opposite. He could have lost his place on podium though if there were one or two more laps left. But the most important point is that he finished on podium despite the place he started in.
I think that Perez with the car he has should have finished second and the podium with the fastest car on the grid is an absolute must for him or any other driver driving Redbull and having no problems whatsoever during the race.We tend to enjoy when Perez comes back because of his miserable performance in consecutive races but on normal conditions even if he starts 15 or up he should be able with that car to come to the second place,his team mate is winning races starting from 14 place so no real justification to Perez performances.
July 24, 2023, 06:31:51 AM
Hamilton could have made the first laps of the race more delightful to watch at least. But that start resulted in being out of podium for him. I was expecting another podium with Norris and Hamilton after the British GP as well. McLaren has already become the second fastest team on the grid now. Mercedes and Ferrari are changing places quite often.
When it comes to Perez he has become really interesting lately. I mean his qualifying performance has been really inadequate but his performance in race is totally the opposite. He could have lost his place on podium though if there were one or two more laps left. But the most important point is that he finished on podium despite the place he started in.
When it comes to Perez he has become really interesting lately. I mean his qualifying performance has been really inadequate but his performance in race is totally the opposite. He could have lost his place on podium though if there were one or two more laps left. But the most important point is that he finished on podium despite the place he started in.
July 24, 2023, 01:02:39 AM
That was such boring race that I don't even know what to say. Basically, we had fight for the 1st place until 1st corner on first lap. Good to see Perez back on podium. And what is really worth attention - progress than Mclaren is making in recent races, just remember how they looked in start of season.
Next week race in Belgium Spa track, last one before summer break.
Next week race in Belgium Spa track, last one before summer break.
Yeah it was quite a boring race because again and again RBR dominates the race with their latest upgrade. Ferrari also seems to be back to their usual, less competitive and tends to fall apart when it comes to strategy. But indeed what I am quite happy about is how Perez was able to return to the podium and he seemed very happy for that, it seems that the RBR team still has hope for Perez. And it seems that the rookie of the year goes to Piastri and Norris, it is very interesting to see how these two young drivers have become very competitive after the Bahrain GP, McLaren seems very proud to have them.
@retreat indeed it was an boring race and I’m hoping in the next race things get little heated up because races like these kill the fun of watching this sport. Furthermore I’m surprised people yet have hopes from Ferrari because season after season they have just disappointed and now I no longer am surprised when they fail to perform because I have totally given up on them.
July 24, 2023, 12:00:30 AM
Perez is literally 9th again, I know it is very weird to see Max not be at the pole this time, but Perez being 9th with a red bull while Ricciardo being 13th with AT is basically what we need to know about the situation, if given the red bull car and waited maybe like just 2-3 weeks, after that DR would have been a better driver than Perez at this point.
It's really a shame that we are no longer going to see minister of defense at Red Bull but it is just not acceptable. Max needs a Bottas for himself, someone who could be second place and protect him from anyone that is coming, or even win races at times when Max is not on his days, someone who can both challenge him but also defend for him, Perez used to be that guy, got the 2021 title thanks to him, but right now he looks terrible.
It's really a shame that we are no longer going to see minister of defense at Red Bull but it is just not acceptable. Max needs a Bottas for himself, someone who could be second place and protect him from anyone that is coming, or even win races at times when Max is not on his days, someone who can both challenge him but also defend for him, Perez used to be that guy, got the 2021 title thanks to him, but right now he looks terrible.
July 23, 2023, 10:36:29 PM
That was such boring race that I don't even know what to say. Basically, we had fight for the 1st place until 1st corner on first lap. Good to see Perez back on podium. And what is really worth attention - progress than Mclaren is making in recent races, just remember how they looked in start of season.
Next week race in Belgium Spa track, last one before summer break.
Next week race in Belgium Spa track, last one before summer break.
Yeah it was quite a boring race because again and again RBR dominates the race with their latest upgrade. Ferrari also seems to be back to their usual, less competitive and tends to fall apart when it comes to strategy. But indeed what I am quite happy about is how Perez was able to return to the podium and he seemed very happy for that, it seems that the RBR team still has hope for Perez. And it seems that the rookie of the year goes to Piastri and Norris, it is very interesting to see how these two young drivers have become very competitive after the Bahrain GP, McLaren seems very proud to have them.
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