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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 21, 2023, 03:10:13 PM

Fun, terrible fact.

They did the math and the impact of the accident with Stroll the past week was at the force of 50G.

This is impressive, I'm not sure that a normal human (not f1 athlete with huge neck muscles) can survive at it.

A few weeks ago I saw a video they made to "test" the ability of normal people to deal with the force of gravity on their heads and then comparing it to another video of an F1 driver... it's an absurd difference.
I believe that a "normal" person would certainly come away with some serious consequences from this accident.

Regarding the accident, Stroll compared its impact to the same one he suffered at the Mugello circuit during the 2020 campaign, saying that both had a very similar intensity.

I believe that Stroll took the right action in not racing at the Singapore circuit... unfortunately Aston Martin as a whole is not doing very well either, with Fernando Alonso finishing in last place after a series of incidents he had.
Who knows, maybe things will get better in Japan!?

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In the midst of several complaints and delays occurring in India regarding preparations for the MotoGP event for this weekend, Hungary also intends to return to the 2024 World Superbike (WSBK) calendar while thinking about how to enter the MotoGP calendar. This was stated by Dorna, the WSBK and MotoGP promoter, in collaboration with the Hungarian Mobility Development Agency (HUMDA) who will homologate the Balaton Park circuit with the aim of hosting WorldSBK 2024. _{Source: id.motorsport.com}

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Fun, terrible fact.

They did the math and the impact of the accident with Stroll the past week was at the force of 50G.

This is impressive, I'm not sure that a normal human (not f1 athlete with huge neck muscles) can survive at it.

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We are in Japan this time. Verstappen looked very ambitious after the latest race. He wants to make up for that bad result very much. I remember what he did in Japan last season as well. He completely dominated the weekend by taking pole position and winning the race by a huge time gap at the same time. I think we are likely to watch a similar weekend to that. Rain expectation isn't much for the weekend. By the way maybe there would still be a good fight for pole position.

Because there was a great fight in the previous qualifying in Suzuka between Verstappen and Leclerc as well. It would be nice to see such competition again.

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This week MotoGp will be active again at a new circuit and also in a new country, it is the first round for MotoGp at the Buddh International Circuit in India, which according to news reports, the circuit is the former venue for Formula 1. However, I read a little news from the media id.motorsport.com that there has been a bit of chaos ahead of the debut of the Indian MotoGP. Many MotoGP paddock personnel and racers, including Marc Marquez, are currently unable to fly there due to visa problems.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 17, 2023, 12:30:29 PM

Good control of the race for Sainz.
Leclerc got unlucky with the safety car otherwise it was an easy 1-2.

Next week we will have the answer, if Redbull is slow then the change made from FIA, nerfed them.

After a quite dramatic race, Sainz finally emerged as the winner. He can prove that Ferrari is still competitive and not as bad as people think. Sainz can maintain his performance and not be too aggressive in taking lanes. He can align himself with the Singapore circuit and that is very good. It was just unlucky for Leclerc because he had to lose his position due to the safety car, even at the end of the race he still couldn't catch P3. And finally Max had to end his winning streak in this race after finishing in P5. It seems that this circuit is not very friendly with Red Bull, it is evident that they have to struggle to catch Ferrari and have to settle for P5 and P8.
Yes, I can say that the Singapore GP is very exciting to watch and I can't wait for the next race.

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This is the race where there should be no reaction to Ferrari's prioritization of Sainz. He took pole yesterday, so he became the priority man for Ferrari today. Today he managed the whole race very well, especially with his drs strategy at the end. Kudos to him, he deserved this win. finally we got the ferrari win. It was by far the most entertaining and exciting race of the season. Mercedes gambled by pitting and closed the 14 second gap by accelerating by 2 seconds every lap. Sainz deliberately slowed down so that the mercedes would not approach and took norris within drs distance. You like sainz or not, but he handled the last 5 laps of the race very well, especially the last 5 laps of the race on flat tires.

He deserved the win for sure.

About the most entertaining race of the season, depends.
We went in good races in the past too but with rain and a lot of overtakes.

This one was for sure the most tactical we got, but here is almost impossible to overtake.

We go in another race where is difficult to overtake too so in there who starts first also wins the race if there are no complications.We have to see and if Ferrari wins again it means that the car has received much needed upgrades that is showing of now in the race results,we need a team who can face Redbull,no matter which team is it is great to have a new winner like we had today after 14 races dominated by Redbull we have a new team winner,a Ferrari first win for 2023.

The Suzuka track will also point out if Redbull is really suffering or this race was just a mistake in the setup of their car which I highly believe to not have been the case.

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Quote from: püsür on September 17, 2023, 03:03:33 PM

This is the race where there should be no reaction to Ferrari's prioritization of Sainz. He took pole yesterday, so he became the priority man for Ferrari today. Today he managed the whole race very well, especially with his drs strategy at the end. Kudos to him, he deserved this win. finally we got the ferrari win. It was by far the most entertaining and exciting race of the season. Mercedes gambled by pitting and closed the 14 second gap by accelerating by 2 seconds every lap. Sainz deliberately slowed down so that the mercedes would not approach and took norris within drs distance. You like sainz or not, but he handled the last 5 laps of the race very well, especially the last 5 laps of the race on flat tires.

He deserved the win for sure.

About the most entertaining race of the season, depends.
We went in good races in the past too but with rain and a lot of overtakes.

This one was for sure the most tactical we got, but here is almost impossible to overtake.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 17, 2023, 01:11:37 PM

Leclerc was sacrificed to favor Sainz win and in the end Ferrari was right because they won the race as the end result.The Safety Car was a super big help for Sainz in this race as it was timed perfectly before the top guys were to enter pit stop anyway and this was a big unlucky moment for Redbull.

I agree though,Redbull looked more like a normal car during today race and next race we will have our answer,even if FIA made this change to regulations to stop Redbull unfortunately only 7 or 8 races remain which does not do any harm to Redbull campaign anyway for this season at least.

Well was necessary.

If Leclerc waited 1 more lap without the double pit he was entering in last position.

I've seen nothing wrong there.

This is the race where there should be no reaction to Ferrari's prioritization of Sainz. He took pole yesterday, so he became the priority man for Ferrari today. Today he managed the whole race very well, especially with his drs strategy at the end. Kudos to him, he deserved this win. finally we got the ferrari win. It was by far the most entertaining and exciting race of the season. Mercedes gambled by pitting and closed the 14 second gap by accelerating by 2 seconds every lap. Sainz deliberately slowed down so that the mercedes would not approach and took norris within drs distance. You like sainz or not, but he handled the last 5 laps of the race very well, especially the last 5 laps of the race on flat tires.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 17, 2023, 01:11:37 PM

Leclerc was sacrificed to favor Sainz win and in the end Ferrari was right because they won the race as the end result.The Safety Car was a super big help for Sainz in this race as it was timed perfectly before the top guys were to enter pit stop anyway and this was a big unlucky moment for Redbull.

I agree though,Redbull looked more like a normal car during today race and next race we will have our answer,even if FIA made this change to regulations to stop Redbull unfortunately only 7 or 8 races remain which does not do any harm to Redbull campaign anyway for this season at least.

Well was necessary.

If Leclerc waited 1 more lap without the double pit he was entering in last position.

I've seen nothing wrong there.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on September 17, 2023, 10:03:04 AM

Finally we have a race to see, in terms of fight for the win.

The most shamefull thing was the crash of Russel, this its gonna cost him a lot inside the team, he cant overtake Norris and make the team lose the chance of win the race, and also managed to crash in the last lap, making with that lose a ton of secured points to the team.

The most entertaining race of the season so far and if the remaining races will be like this one , we are set in for an epic end of the season where from 2nd to 4th place in constructors championship anything can happen as McLaren , Ferrari and Mercedes are fighting for this spots and maybe , Aston Martin will be back to fight with them as well even if they kinda screwed their car with latest updates...

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It was best race of season without any doubts. How Sainz used Norris as his back wing and letting him to be in DRS zone and help to keep both Mercedes behind was simply genius. I agree with post above that Ferrari had to sacrifice Leclerc. It's popular to mock Ferrari strategy, but I'm not really sure that was possible for Lecler to finish 2nd.
Russel crash, I don't reallly know what to say - one moment you fight for the win, next you crash into wall.
Lawson earned first career points today and it was serious statement to get seat in F1 for next season.

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Wow, that Red Bull car looked slow today. It could have been the ruling made by the FIA that somewhat sent them back. Well, it's about damn time for F1 to be interesting again and not utter "another Red Bull win" whenever a race is happening.

Anyway, Sainz looked clean on taking the win today, and I feel like Ferrari is slowly favoring him to be the main driver with Leclerc being the supporting one. Understandable given the circumstances on this particular race, though not sure in the next races to come. And for Russel, I feel for the guy. Last lap and everything went to shambles for them.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 17, 2023, 12:30:29 PM

Good control of the race for Sainz.
Leclerc got unlucky with the safety car otherwise it was an easy 1-2.

Next week we will have the answer, if Redbull is slow then the change made from FIA, nerfed them.

Leclerc was sacrificed to favor Sainz win and in the end Ferrari was right because they won the race as the end result.The Safety Car was a super big help for Sainz in this race as it was timed perfectly before the top guys were to enter pit stop anyway and this was a big unlucky moment for Redbull.

I agree though,Redbull looked more like a normal car during today race and next race we will have our answer,even if FIA made this change to regulations to stop Redbull unfortunately only 7 or 8 races remain which does not do any harm to Redbull campaign anyway for this season at least.

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Good control of the race for Sainz.
Leclerc got unlucky with the safety car otherwise it was an easy 1-2.

Next week we will have the answer, if Redbull is slow then the change made from FIA, nerfed them.

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Finally we have a race to see, in terms of fight for the win.

The most shamefull thing was the crash of Russel, this its gonna cost him a lot inside the team, he cant overtake Norris and make the team lose the chance of win the race, and also managed to crash in the last lap, making with that lose a ton of secured points to the team.

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Quite interesting to see this type of result but it was a refreshing thing, I believe that we really needed something like this to make people watch races again. I do not really know what happened that made Red Bull this bad today, I mean some of the strategies didn't align with SC and VSC which could be understandable but they were really really bad today, the pace was nowhere near the other cars and made it look a bit different. In any case, I do not think that they will be like this for the rest of the season, and not like it would really matter, even if it is, Max will be the champion anyway, worst case would be not getting more records and nothing more.

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We finally got to watch a real race without RB. We want to see this competition. In the last round, 4 vehicles competed for first place. We missed this excitement.
It was a huge disappointment for Russell. Norris defended well and took second place. Hamilton was fastest of the day. And Sainz eventually won the race in which he started first. Sainz made a huge strategic right thing by giving Norris the opportunity to use DRS and finished the race with dead tyres. If this tactic hadn't been used, Mercedes would probably have passed him. As a result, we watched an amazing race. I wish the races were always this competitive and exciting.

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The best thing of all this race was the Mercedes race engineer of Russell in the early stages of the race which said explicitly what happened and the radio message was "It looks like Ferrari is trying to sacrifice Leclerc" and they did so for real.They at least by doing so won the race today much different from Monza and Sainz was very smart to give DRS to Norris to protect himself in the later stages of the race from the two Mercedes cars.Mercedes on the other hand did not do what Ferrari usually does,they did not let Hamilton go through despite him being 0.8 seconds faster than Russell otherwise we would have seen an even more beautiful ending to the race.

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Ferrari or Mercedes finish as expected from the start but what an unfortunate turn of events for Russell. I didn't watch the whole race and was wondering what happened to Leclerc. I didn't expect him to fall 20 secs behind Sainz. Was it a pitstop miscalculation?

Quote from: tokeweed on September 17, 2023, 07:25:16 AM

Hmmm.. Now wishing I went through with my prediction and made the bet on Leclerc to finish on the podium at 3.95. :/ He's running the softs right now and might do a one stop and go for the hards. Dunno... But it looks like he's gonna finish second or third at least. He'd be lucky to win it but Sainz seems faster.

Edit: Leclerc was just on the radio and said that Sainz looks like he's slowing down. Interesting to see how the Ferrari plays this beyond lap 20. Would be funny if they botch it and get somebody else to finish first. Cheesy

Edit: LOL FERRARI.

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