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Quote from: Cnut237 on December 15, 2021, 11:18:22 AM

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Honda will be continuing to develop their F1 power unit for Red Bull team. This means that we are going to be watching Red Bull drivers to use a car with an improved version of the same Honda engine. And by doing this, Red Bull can be very assertive for the title next season again.

Maybe. It's anyone's guess really which team (if any) will be dominant when the new regulations come in. Mercedes would certainly appear to be the most likely to come out ahead though. As for Red Bull, a lot of their high performance this season was relative - because Mercedes were hit so hard with the changes affecting low-rake cars differently to high-rake, which is not a thing that can quickly be designed out. And another part of Red Bull's performance this year was due to the flexible wing that got banned by the time of the French GP I think. A lot of people notice Mercedes did much better in the second half of the season, and think this was mainly due to a Merc upgrade... but a large part is surely due to the RB downgrade.

I really hope we see several different teams fighting it out next year. We don't want to go back to a situation where one team is by far the best.

New regulations have been told to the teams some time ago and they had all the time to prepare well for the 2022 season where supposedly we should see these new regulations come in.I too hope for a more open Championship where we can have more than 3 teams fighting for the title and not like this year where except Monza and Hungaroring all other races were dominated by Redbull and Mercedes.

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Quote from: ElmasKafa on December 15, 2021, 06:33:26 AM

Honda will be continuing to develop their F1 power unit for Red Bull team. This means that we are going to be watching Red Bull drivers to use a car with an improved version of the same Honda engine. And by doing this, Red Bull can be very assertive for the title next season again.

Maybe. It's anyone's guess really which team (if any) will be dominant when the new regulations come in. Mercedes would certainly appear to be the most likely to come out ahead though. As for Red Bull, a lot of their high performance this season was relative - because Mercedes were hit so hard with the changes affecting low-rake cars differently to high-rake, which is not a thing that can quickly be designed out. And another part of Red Bull's performance this year was due to the flexible wing that got banned by the time of the French GP I think. A lot of people notice Mercedes did much better in the second half of the season, and think this was mainly due to a Merc upgrade... but a large part is surely due to the RB downgrade.

I really hope we see several different teams fighting it out next year. We don't want to go back to a situation where one team is by far the best.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on December 15, 2021, 06:26:16 AM

The last driver to become world champion using a Honda engine was Ayrton Senna in the 1991 F1 season... The success of leading Max Verstappen to become the 2021 F1 world champion is also a perfect cover for Honda...(After 30 years without a Champion)
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Since some time ago Honda has stated that it will leave F1 racing after the 2021 season ends... Honda decided to leave F1 in 2020 ago.. In a statement, Honda said the decision to leave F1 was because the automotive industry underwent a period of enormous transformation in a hundred years ...
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This step is also taken to realize the goal of carbon neutrality by 2050... Honda will concentrate its resources on R&D in the areas of future technologies, including fuel cell vehicle (FCV) and battery-based electric vehicle (BEV) technology...
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So next year F1 will be a little different from Team Redbull Racing
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This is a really interesting point. But we should consider an important point also that Honda will be continuing to develop their F1 power unit for Red Bull team. This means that we are going to be watching Red Bull drivers to use a car with an improved version of the same Honda engine. And by doing this, Red Bull can be very assertive for the title next season again.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-and-honda-reveal-collaboration-plans-after-engine-supplier.6qkvqcmeSV5Fn3xgTBVstL.html

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Quote from: Kusman on December 14, 2021, 06:41:13 AM

Then congrats to Verstappen on his championship after a superb journey! I like Hamilton too but I really wanted to see something changing in the season we've just left behind. I'm really thankful for Verstappen as he did this. From now on, the biggest thing I'll be wondering is going to be whether the other teams and drivers will be approaching the level of Verstappen and Hamilton in the next season.

The last driver to become world champion using a Honda engine was Ayrton Senna in the 1991 F1 season... The success of leading Max Verstappen to become the 2021 F1 world champion is also a perfect cover for Honda...(After 30 years without a Champion)
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Since some time ago Honda has stated that it will leave F1 racing after the 2021 season ends... Honda decided to leave F1 in 2020 ago.. In a statement, Honda said the decision to leave F1 was because the automotive industry underwent a period of enormous transformation in a hundred years ...
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This step is also taken to realize the goal of carbon neutrality by 2050... Honda will concentrate its resources on R&D in the areas of future technologies, including fuel cell vehicle (FCV) and battery-based electric vehicle (BEV) technology...
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Check out the news about racing on the OtoRace.id website

So next year F1 will be a little different from Team Redbull Racing
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I don't think that Mercedes will do an appeal anymore. It is obvious that FIA won't be accepting their mistake. They will just move on like nothing happened especially in last moments of the race. I don't want the winner to change of course but FIA should have confirmed that they made a big mistake there. They are just losing their credibility by doing this.

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It is not clear yet if Mercedes will do an appeal or not but if they will do they will have a very solid case from his side.

The article where they will go if they will go is the 1.1.1 and basically, it says "Safety and sporting equity".

The decision of let pass the safety car by only 5 cars go against the equity regulated on this article.

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Max Verstappen stated that Toto Wolff contacted him and congratulated him on his title. And he said to Verstappen that he really deserved this title. It is a really good example and Verstappen also seemed grateful about this. There is no need for any hostility between any teams or drivers. It was not Verstappen's fault in the end and I believe Hamilton is also aware of this. He is just disappointed with FIA's doings.

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The thing about the last contraversy is that Max had nothing to do with it, nobody is mad at max for winning that race the way he did, they are mad at FIA for sure but Max did his best with the time given to him and that is 100% understandable.

Lewis and Mercedes realized that as well, plus this gave Lewis the likability that he so much needed, sure Lewis fans loved him already but others who wanted someone else to win championship for once ended up liking him for how he responded. Dude was calm when he was talking, he didn't step out during ceremony and sprayed Max with champagne just to show his calm nature and basically he got a lot of respect for how he handled it.

He could always come back and win next year, the engines are not changing much, sure the car design is changing but the reality is that Mercedes will probably still have the best car and that shows how Lewis could win again, and this time going to have a different and aggressive teammate with him.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 14, 2021, 03:22:43 PM

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I wanted a change and a new winner, but at the same time, my preferred champion would have been 'anyone but Verstappen'. He's a really fast driver, but he just seems like a dick, in the same way that Schumacher used to. If all drivers had had a chance, I'd have probably liked Kimi or Alonso to win the title. But the one I still want to win, even though he's not there racing any more, is Massa, after that championship decider in Brazil all those years ago.

Red Bull is my team, but I'm not really big fan of Verstappen personality. He is really amazing driver, but yeah, he is a dick. Though, without being a dick, probably he wouldn't become world champion.
I was amazed to see how professional Lewis reacted after loss on Sunday, hardly can imagine Max reacting in this way like Lewis did.
I like both Raikkonen and Alonso, but they're not easy personalities too. Offcourse, can't be compared with Schumacher or Verstappen.
And yeah, Massa loss in 2008 was probably most heartbraking thing in F1 history.

I am a McLaren fan here and regarding 2008 it would have been totally undeserved for Massa to win the title at that time.Every single duel on track against Hamilton he came out as a loser and he had the better car back then,Ferrari was just a bit better than McLaren.It was only luck that sought Massa to fight for the title and the funny thing was the local Brazilians gifted to Hamilton a Vasco de Gamma T-shirt meaning they were the eternal seconds in Brazil Serie A so hopefully even Hamilton was going to have a fate like that.Hamilton accepted it and he didn't care at all about that superstition and he became World Champion.

For 2021 I cannot say that Lewis deserved the title more than Max or Max more than Lewis but circumstances brought the title to Max and that is it,just that.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on December 14, 2021, 06:50:49 AM

I wanted a change and a new winner, but at the same time, my preferred champion would have been 'anyone but Verstappen'. He's a really fast driver, but he just seems like a dick, in the same way that Schumacher used to. If all drivers had had a chance, I'd have probably liked Kimi or Alonso to win the title. But the one I still want to win, even though he's not there racing any more, is Massa, after that championship decider in Brazil all those years ago.

Red Bull is my team, but I'm not really big fan of Verstappen personality. He is really amazing driver, but yeah, he is a dick. Though, without being a dick, probably he wouldn't become world champion.
I was amazed to see how professional Lewis reacted after loss on Sunday, hardly can imagine Max reacting in this way like Lewis did.
I like both Raikkonen and Alonso, but they're not easy personalities too. Offcourse, can't be compared with Schumacher or Verstappen.
And yeah, Massa loss in 2008 was probably most heartbraking thing in F1 history.

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today and tomorrow we have more testing for drivers of Pirelli next season 18 INCH wheels for day one most of the teams chose 1 driver for one day Ferrrari chose both Leclerc and their test driver for today and for 2nd day is for the other driver and every driver have limited sets of tires with different compound but what is interesting is that George Russel will be testing for the to days and Hamilton is not going to be doing more testing on the tires so he can feel what it will be like next season.
that make you question why he will not be doing that.
This also a good opportunity for Alfa Romeo to see how Bottas driving their car with the Ferrari engine and the new kid Zhou it will be good for their preparations next year.

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Quote from: AakZaki on December 12, 2021, 10:06:52 AM

Meanwhile, the drivers who entered the list are as follows.

Finally the VR46 team officially uses Ducati, I had heard yamaha will be with him but it looks like it's canceled. It's pretty curious if they're capable of competing with the old team. At least VR46 has a motorcycle capital that has great power, and the ducati team's race results were also good last season. They're in the final class in quick succession. Reportedly they will use a Ducati Desmosedici GP21.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on December 14, 2021, 06:50:49 AM

If all drivers had had a chance, I'd have probably liked Kimi or Alonso to win the title. But the one I still want to win, even though he's not there racing any more, is Massa, after that championship decider in Brazil all those years ago.

Kimi Raikkonen has retired by this race unfortunately. But even he wasn't very eager to race in F1 anymore. He was just looking forward to see the end of the season and get away from here. And he also pointed out long time ago that he achieved the things he set as goals for himself. He was racing just for fun. But when it comes to Alonso, I can't say the same thing. He is still too eager to win another title with his current team, Alpine. He wants his team to develop a great car for the coming season to be able to compete with current top drivers like Verstappen and Hamilton.

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Quote from: Kusman on December 14, 2021, 06:41:13 AM

Then congrats to Verstappen on his championship after a superb journey! I like Hamilton too but I really wanted to see something changing in the season we've just left behind.

I wanted a change and a new winner, but at the same time, my preferred champion would have been 'anyone but Verstappen'. He's a really fast driver, but he just seems like a dick, in the same way that Schumacher used to. If all drivers had had a chance, I'd have probably liked Kimi or Alonso to win the title. But the one I still want to win, even though he's not there racing any more, is Massa, after that championship decider in Brazil all those years ago.

Quote from: Kusman on December 14, 2021, 06:41:13 AM

From now on, the biggest thing I'll be wondering is going to be whether the other teams and drivers will be approaching the level of Verstappen and Hamilton in the next season.

My hope is that the change in regulations work as intended, and we see much closer racing, much more overtaking, and a lot of teams able to fight it out at the front. My expectation though is that one team will interpret the regulations better than the others, and we'll end up with a dominant team again. Most likely, yet again, Mercedes. But even if they were all competing in perfectly equal cars, you'd still expect to see Max and Lewis heading up the road, miles clear of the pack.

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I've read some news like all of Mercedes' objections were rejected by FIA and they aren't going to object to the decision anymore. And it is claimed that Lewis Hamilton also didn't want Mercedes to do that. I'm pretty sure that Lewis Hamilton is very dissappointed and angry at FIA's decisions but there is nothing to do from now on. This won't change Verstappen's winning the title.

@Kusman it’s end of the line for Mercedes because to take it to court they need to convince F1 appointed panels to give a verdict against F1, and that’s not going to happen. However they yet have time to file that last appeal, but I think even they know it that’s it going to be rejected so doesn’t make any sense now to file it.

Then congrats to Verstappen on his championship after a superb journey! I like Hamilton too but I really wanted to see something changing in the season we've just left behind. I'm really thankful for Verstappen as he did this. From now on, the biggest thing I'll be wondering is going to be whether the other teams and drivers will be approaching the level of Verstappen and Hamilton in the next season.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 14, 2021, 03:46:57 AM

^ I’m just saying if it’s all about the money. But if Toto Wolff is fighting for what’s right then I agree with coinlocket$. It’s questionable letting the lapped cars pass the safety car. They should have been released as is and waved a blue flag all around.

I'm sure it's not about the money, it's about the championship. If they wanted a race under any circumstances instead of finishing behind safety car, then they could have released as is, yes... but if that was in order to have a single lap shoot-out between Max and Lewis, why not just red flag it and send everyone back to pits. Then race could resume from the grid, and we may have had a few laps instead of one lap, with everyone on fresh tyres.

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it’s end of the line for Mercedes because to take it to court they need to convince F1 appointed panels to give a verdict against F1, and that’s not going to happen. However they yet have time to file that last appeal, but I think even they know it that’s it going to be rejected so doesn’t make any sense now to file it.

Yes, it does seem very unlikely that the FIA will convene a panel which then rules against the FIA! I'm no legal expert, but although they can't take it to the CAS, and the FIA appears to be the final authority here... still, you would think there might be something in French law whereby a legal case can go to a higher authority if the people you are fighting are the ones judging it.

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It looks like there will be no change for the decision about the champion and Verstappen can be relieved from now on. Even if FIA accepted their huge mistake, they wouldn't put it to Verstappen. It is their mistake in the end. Verstappen had a very clean lap and deserved to be the champion. Anyway, I'm already looking forward to watching the new season in F1. I think that this result is going to fire Hamilton up and he could win his 8th title for having the record. But we can't say anything already now as we don't know which teams will have a big advantage in the next season.

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Quote from: Kusman on December 14, 2021, 04:09:07 AM

I've read some news like all of Mercedes' objections were rejected by FIA and they aren't going to object to the decision anymore. And it is claimed that Lewis Hamilton also didn't want Mercedes to do that. I'm pretty sure that Lewis Hamilton is very dissappointed and angry at FIA's decisions but there is nothing to do from now on. This won't change Verstappen's winning the title.

@Kusman it’s end of the line for Mercedes because to take it to court they need to convince F1 appointed panels to give a verdict against F1, and that’s not going to happen. However they yet have time to file that last appeal, but I think even they know it that’s it going to be rejected so doesn’t make any sense now to file it.

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The 2022 season hasn't started yet, 2023 is already blowing hard in Spain. There are some secret talks between the agent and the team. The most popular one today is the meeting between manager Fabio Quartararo and the Honda team. Where Honda is currently looking for the strongest racer on the Grid to be able to replace Marc Marquez.. Ehh, accompanying Marc Marquez

How's it going.. just wait, gang it won't be any less exciting than the f1 drama Grin

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I've read some news like all of Mercedes' objections were rejected by FIA and they aren't going to object to the decision anymore. And it is claimed that Lewis Hamilton also didn't want Mercedes to do that. I'm pretty sure that Lewis Hamilton is very dissappointed and angry at FIA's decisions but there is nothing to do from now on. This won't change Verstappen's winning the title.

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