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My favourite for next season is definitely Bagnaia and Ducati, I'm looking forward to the first races to see which manufacturer has worked best over the winter.

It feels like a long time waiting for the new MotoGP season. I don't read much news about the development with the factory bike. But I think tomorrow Ducati could be a big threat to the defending champions. Ducati just provides a setting that suits the rider. I'm sure they're confident for next season. They have good motorcycle capital and 3 consistent riders in the top five of the championship class. For Yamaha it could be that they will lose to Ducati if they don't make improvements in the engine, as you said.

Some time ago at an official test I read that Fabio was complaining that not much was happening with the development, especially the engine is still at the same level as last year. Ducati had made a huge step in the last few years with the chassis, the engine was very strong in the last few years, only the handling was difficult.

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I feel like put Alonso and Vetten in Mercedes next year and they will be winning a championship too, it is a bit more about the car as well. HamVerRuss this is the new trio if you ask me.

Alonso maybe, Vettel no. There was a season recently where Vettel's Ferrari was faster than Hamilton's Merc, and Hamilton still beat him.

And I still think Russell is being over-hyped a bit. He came in when Hamilton was unavailable, and he did a better job than Bottas. But 'better than Bottas' is a target that quite a few drivers could beat. We'll see, I suppose. Russell is good, yes, but I don't think he's a challenge to Hamilton yet.

Russell is better than Bottas no cap and I agree as you said that Russell is still no match to Hamilton,
but I think that there will surely be a time when Russell will challenge Hamilton for being the main man in Mercedes.

Yes, the time hasn't come yet, but I think Russell has the potential to challenge Hamilton at one point or another. It will be great to watch these two competing to be the best driver in Mercedes.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 02, 2022, 07:45:41 AM

My favourite for next season is definitely Bagnaia and Ducati, I'm looking forward to the first races to see which manufacturer has worked best over the winter.

It feels like a long time waiting for the new MotoGP season. I don't read much news about the development with the factory bike. But I think tomorrow Ducati could be a big threat to the defending champions. Ducati just provides a setting that suits the rider. I'm sure they're confident for next season. They have good motorcycle capital and 3 consistent riders in the top five of the championship class. For Yamaha it could be that they will lose to Ducati if they don't make improvements in the engine, as you said.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 05, 2022, 06:44:24 AM

I'm really excited about the new season in F1. As the teams continue to reveal the look of their new car, I'm getting more hyped about it. And in the next season, I hope to see different teams involved in the title race also. It looks like Mercedes and Red Bull can still be very powerful. But it is doubtful whether they will have the same power difference with the rest of the teams. Especially Ferrari have improved their car a lot so far as it seems. I'd really love to see them in the competition also. Ferrari should be able to achieve better than this.

It will be a pleasure to the eyes if Ferrari can join Merc and Red Bull to compete for the first place. 6 drivers competing for edge to edge will be a pleasure to watch for sure.
This new season looks quite promising in my eyes. Although Leclerc is not on the same level as Hamilton or Max, but it sure will be a great competition if Ferrari's upgrade is right on point. Eager to see the next race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 04, 2022, 05:21:35 PM

In case you missed.

Mercedes teasing already the next car.

Source https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1477260679283367938

TBH if Hamilton was driving one of those things at a night race, and Verstappen crashed into the back of him, even I might believe the excuse of "It was an accident! I didn't see him!". Cheesy

Looks good, though. They really are a very different shape to the 2021 cars.

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I'm really excited about the new season in F1. As the teams continue to reveal the look of their new car, I'm getting more hyped about it. And in the next season, I hope to see different teams involved in the title race also. It looks like Mercedes and Red Bull can still be very powerful. But it is doubtful whether they will have the same power difference with the rest of the teams. Especially Ferrari have improved their car a lot so far as it seems. I'd really love to see them in the competition also. Ferrari should be able to achieve better than this.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on January 04, 2022, 04:44:05 PM

I feel like put Alonso and Vetten in Mercedes next year and they will be winning a championship too, it is a bit more about the car as well. HamVerRuss this is the new trio if you ask me.

Alonso maybe, Vettel no. There was a season recently where Vettel's Ferrari was faster than Hamilton's Merc, and Hamilton still beat him.

And I still think Russell is being over-hyped a bit. He came in when Hamilton was unavailable, and he did a better job than Bottas. But 'better than Bottas' is a target that quite a few drivers could beat. We'll see, I suppose. Russell is good, yes, but I don't think he's a challenge to Hamilton yet.

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In case you missed.

Mercedes teasing already the next car.

Source https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1477260679283367938

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Quote from: swogerino on January 04, 2022, 03:30:26 AM

I think the fact that his main rival will be his teammate is the key to get him motivated.He saw when he was with Covid 19 last year that during the race that Russell replaced him for a race he did a brilliant job and he drove extremely well and Hamilton I am sure has seen that race.Of course it will be much different now as Russell is not going to be just like Bottas a mediocre driver which has been all the time at Mercedes just the wing man of Hamilton.Now things will get tough and it is when things get tough that the tough guys come to play.I predict a really beautiful season of F1 during this year in 2022.

Max is the last champion as well, and Russell will be in a Mercedes which we all know how great he was in 2020 when he first tried it, team screwed him up on that race for sure but they won't do it for a whole season. All in all I am guessing that we are going to end up with a proper three racers who will fight for a title next season if Hamilton comes back.

I really do not know where all these talks come from, dude will definitely come back, I doubt that he will end up giving up this quickly, he definitely is young enough to win at least 2-3 more championships if he is lucky, I mean not saying that he will, but he has that age gap until he is not good enough and too old. I feel like put Alonso and Vetten in Mercedes next year and they will be winning a championship too, it is a bit more about the car as well. HamVerRuss this is the new trio if you ask me.

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^ Yeah me too. But if he really is, that’s maybe because he has one of the toughest competitive drivers, driving the fastest car in the grid as his main rival now. His own team mate George Russell. Hamilton prolly isn’t motivated enough to go have one of his toughest seasons yet. And it’s prolly gonna be tougher than the season when Nico Rosberg won the championship.

So yeah... Not money but motivation is gonna be a key factor here.

And sad day if he really retires. What would next season be without anybody to root against? Lolol.

I think the fact that his main rival will be his teammate is the key to get him motivated.He saw when he was with Covid 19 last year that during the race that Russell replaced him for a race he did a brilliant job and he drove extremely well and Hamilton I am sure has seen that race.Of course it will be much different now as Russell is not going to be just like Bottas a mediocre driver which has been all the time at Mercedes just the wing man of Hamilton.Now things will get tough and it is when things get tough that the tough guys come to play.I predict a really beautiful season of F1 during this year in 2022.

You have a valid point. Hamilton will get a tough competition from Russell and also recently Max has been giving Hamilton quite a headache so that could also be taken under consideration.
Another thing that crosses my mind is that he might wanna retire before he starts to fade away, maybe he wants to retire while he's still at his best and that will leave a good impression in the heart of the fans.

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I have been hearing about some really good improvements for the Ferrari F1 team for the next season. It looks like they have already strengthened their car a great deal. It is really good news for me as I want them to bring back their old days as of the coming season. Ferrari don't deserve to be a struggling team. For old times' sake, Ferrari need to gather strength and compete for the title hopefully. I'd really like to see what Leclerc and Sainz can do with a powerful car also.

@ILuckyGuyI this is not surprising, because Ferrari had said it before they were planning major upgrades for 2022, but the only question remains will it change their faltering fortunes. Further even I would like to see Ferrari compete for the title, because due to the partnership of Schumacher and Ferrari did I start watching F1 races, so yea it’ll be nostalgic to see them win races again.

It will actually be a nostalgia if Ferrari can get back to their glory days once again. But in my opinion, that seems a bit unlikely. My POV is, yes they might have a car as good as Merc or Red Bull, but they will lack the driver having a skill like Hamilton or Max.

I'm not saying that their driver is trash, all I'm saying is that he's not up to the level of Hamilton or Max. So, that might be a drawback for them IMO.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 02, 2022, 07:45:41 AM

Yamaha has to improve especially the engine, if they don't have a stronger engine in the 2022 season I don't think they can compete for the world championship title. Fabio, like Marc, has always been able to hide the weaknesses of Yamaha and Honda.

Fabio Quartararo is like no one else, he only rides according to his will and also often celebrates the same as Rossi has done in the past even though the way he rides can slightly cover Yamaha's weakness in the power position on the straight road.

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My favourite for next season is definitely Bagnaia and Ducati, I'm looking forward to the first races to see which manufacturer has worked best over the winter.

I am also very confident with Bagnaia and also Ducati because the Italian manufacturer only won the MotoGP class once in 2007 together with Stoner, after that the Ducati never won again even though they have a very powerful package.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on January 04, 2022, 04:08:13 AM

I have been hearing about some really good improvements for the Ferrari F1 team for the next season. It looks like they have already strengthened their car a great deal. It is really good news for me as I want them to bring back their old days as of the coming season. Ferrari don't deserve to be a struggling team. For old times' sake, Ferrari need to gather strength and compete for the title hopefully. I'd really like to see what Leclerc and Sainz can do with a powerful car also.

@ILuckyGuyI this is not surprising, because Ferrari had said it before they were planning major upgrades for 2022, but the only question remains will it change their faltering fortunes. Further even I would like to see Ferrari compete for the title, because due to the partnership of Schumacher and Ferrari did I start watching F1 races, so yea it’ll be nostalgic to see them win races again.

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I have been hearing about some really good improvements for the Ferrari F1 team for the next season. It looks like they have already strengthened their car a great deal. It is really good news for me as I want them to bring back their old days as of the coming season. Ferrari don't deserve to be a struggling team. For old times' sake, Ferrari need to gather strength and compete for the title hopefully. I'd really like to see what Leclerc and Sainz can do with a powerful car also.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 04, 2022, 03:00:54 AM

^ Yeah me too. But if he really is, that’s maybe because he has one of the toughest competitive drivers, driving the fastest car in the grid as his main rival now. His own team mate George Russell. Hamilton prolly isn’t motivated enough to go have one of his toughest seasons yet. And it’s prolly gonna be tougher than the season when Nico Rosberg won the championship.

So yeah... Not money but motivation is gonna be a key factor here.

And sad day if he really retires. What would next season be without anybody to root against? Lolol.

I think the fact that his main rival will be his teammate is the key to get him motivated.He saw when he was with Covid 19 last year that during the race that Russell replaced him for a race he did a brilliant job and he drove extremely well and Hamilton I am sure has seen that race.Of course it will be much different now as Russell is not going to be just like Bottas a mediocre driver which has been all the time at Mercedes just the wing man of Hamilton.Now things will get tough and it is when things get tough that the tough guys come to play.I predict a really beautiful season of F1 during this year in 2022.

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^ Yeah me too. But if he really is, that’s maybe because he has one of the toughest competitive drivers, driving the fastest car in the grid as his main rival now. His own team mate George Russell. Hamilton prolly isn’t motivated enough to go have one of his toughest seasons yet. And it’s prolly gonna be tougher than the season when Nico Rosberg won the championship.

So yeah... Not money but motivation is gonna be a key factor here.

And sad day if he really retires. What would next season be without anybody to root against? Lolol.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 02, 2022, 04:31:46 PM

Increasing rumors from England this time about a possible retirement from Hamilton.

According to these rumors, Mercedes is doing a talk with Gasly in case Hamilton will retire or for 2023.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-team/mercedes-occhi-su-gasly-per-il-dopo-hamilton-599459.html

I don't see a reason why Hamilton should retire.When Mercedes gave him back a winning car in the last part of the season last year he showed that he is the best driver out there winning every race (except the final one which has a lot of doubts how it ended) and showed that if he has a winning car he can win without problems.I think this year if Mercedes gives him the same performing car for the 2022 season he will surely be the 8th time F1 World Champion which will make him a living legend.

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The problem with retiring racing drivers is their whole mindset is dedicated towards their sport, so how easily can he walk away when its in his head for life. Theres no way he should just exit straight from the top like that, I know its like a classic saying but its such a waste of talent. He can carry on setup or help any team he likes over many years with his reputation, experience and skills. Alot of the sport is in the car but imo he remains a threat for many years so long as he retains the patience to put in the effort. He could cross to Nascar or similar, thats more likely and profitable even.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on January 03, 2022, 11:53:12 AM

First of all i don't really think that Hamilton will retire. He is not that old yet with 36 years for a race driver and i would say he could compete at the highest at least 4 or 5 more years, just look at Alonso and how well he did. In the end hamilton decides for himself if he wants to keep on racing or if he wants to quit. Rosberg quit immediately after he won the championship back in 2016 and maybe hamilton quits now after he lost that championship in such a dramatic way. Maybe he is also afraid that Mercedes won't be in such a strong position now with the new cars and he does not want to risk it to drive for the positions 8 to 12 or so.

I do agree that he won't retire at all, I feel like he will come back with 100% fire in his heart. It was a bad loss, literally last lap of the last race and questionable one. Even though I dislike Hamilton a lot, doesn't mean that dude didn't deserve it, and after all these years of hating him for dominating and not letting anyone else win, I feel like this last championship day was the most I liked him because of all the drama and unfairness.

I agree that another 4-5 years is still possible, but even if nothing else, dude signed a contract this year for until 2023 season, so I feel like at least that much, sure this last race may have changed some love for the race he had, but I doubt it was enough to make him retire. All in all Gasly is not really that bad, I feel like he could definitely replace for a while, George and Gasly would be enough with those cars to be around the top for sure.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on January 02, 2022, 04:31:46 PM

Increasing rumors from England this time about a possible retirement from Hamilton.

According to these rumors, Mercedes is doing a talk with Gasly in case Hamilton will retire or for 2023.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-team/mercedes-occhi-su-gasly-per-il-dopo-hamilton-599459.html

What seriously? This is actually pretty big news given that Hamilton will be able to drive the new 2022 F1 car next season. Hamilton is one of those drivers that are rare to come by- with his sheer amount of talent and experience, we will definitely be missing out his overtakes and talent on the grid.

To be honest, I am quite surprised that Mercedes considered Pierre Gasly as his replacement in the event that Hamilton retires. But in retrospect, Gasly had proved his talent on the grid along with an inferior car. He consistently places around either p4-p7 on every race along with his teammate Tsunoda.

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