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Lewis Hamilton has deleted all his followers on twitter, I read. It also appears that he is considering quitting F1 and making a career switch. Perhaps that man no longer has a challenge. If Hamilton steps, who is going to stop Verstappen from becoming a wealthy champion? There is absolutely no one who can come close to those 2, on any track.

I wouldn't say that. Just because Hamilton had by far the best car in the last 5 or 6 years and therefore won 6 out of 7 possible championships in a row does not mean that he is also the most talented driver out there. The car is just the most important factor. I think that Verstappen has at least as much talent as Hamilton in terms of speed, maybe Hamilton is a little bit more consistent. Also i don't think that we can say that Hamilton and Verstappen have more talent than for example Vettel, Leclerc, Russel, Norris, Ocon, Gasly or Mick Schumacher. We wold need to see them all in the same car for a season then we would know, but that won't happen.
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Are Ferrari suggesting that they don't expect to start with a strong car in 2022?

This article begins with the F1 CEO talking about how he expects at the start of the season, some cars will be a lot better than others, due to how they've each interpreted the new rules. I think anyone would agree that this would be as expected, similar to what we saw at the start of the current era, when no-one could touch Mercedes. But then it goes on to a quote from Binotto at Ferrari, who I think sounds quite negative and effectively says that Ferrari's biggest strength is that they can catch up with whoever starts the season ahead.
I am guessing that it is expected of Ferrari to not be at the top right away, he knows this and we know it and everyone else know it as well. Some stuff changed, specially the style of the car but engine is basically similar as far as I know, and they didn't have a great engine to be fair. Plus, Mercedes and Red Bull are known to push the limits of what is legal and what is not, we have seen teams end up doing something that was in the gray area, and then end up getting that thing banned but not retrospectively punished and then the team had to change it, red bull most famously had the wing situation for example, wasn't illegal, made illegal because of the gray area situation.

Binotto basically means exactly those situations, some teams will follow the rules to a dot, and some will try to push it and see if they can get away with it or not.
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Are Ferrari suggesting that they don't expect to start with a strong car in 2022?

This article begins with the F1 CEO talking about how he expects at the start of the season, some cars will be a lot better than others, due to how they've each interpreted the new rules. I think anyone would agree that this would be as expected, similar to what we saw at the start of the current era, when no-one could touch Mercedes. But then it goes on to a quote from Binotto at Ferrari, who I think sounds quite negative and effectively says that Ferrari's biggest strength is that they can catch up with whoever starts the season ahead.

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“It may be that at the start to the season there will be difference in competitiveness between the cars, because of the ways in which each team may have interpreted the rules and the solutions they may bring.
Here what I think will be important as Ferrari is being capable of understanding weaknesses and addressing them very quickly. So it's the team reaction that will be key.
We cannot be confident of having a competitive car from the start, because you never know what may happen when you’ve got such a big rule change. But it is about being capable of addressing it as soon as possible.”
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There were some talks swirling around that Ferrari was pressuring Vettel too, hence the mistakes during 2018 was it?

That was the year that I realised Vettel isn't actually a very good driver. Ferrari had the best car and should have won the championship fairly easily... yet somehow it went to Mercedes. Vettel made mistake after mistake in race after race, throwing away a huge number of points. I think it puts his 4 titles into perspective a bit.

It’s relative.  Vettel isn’t good, tho still competitive, if compared against Hamilton, Verstappen and Alonso but compared to Ricciardo or Leclerc?  Yeah he was out performed by both the lest year at RBR and Ferrari but I think there’s more going on behind the scenes than just flat out out performance.

And in Vettel’s defense, I think Ferrari’s development hit a snag at the middle of the season which allowed Mercedes to catch up. Ferrari may have had the advantage in the first races but Mercedes still had the best engine.  It just showed that Merc had the best team behind their driver, Vettel apparently didn’t
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Well you know, I must have read a clickbait.
You're right he said that "according to himself/he thinks" that Hamilton will not be coming back in F1, we will see but I doubt he will give up to 30m€ of his salary so easily.
I think it's not just about money. Lewist still have not finished things to do - beating Shumacher record by winning 8th title. But seems that loss hit him hard. He didn't attend FIA award ceremony, he remain silent on social media where he was very active.

The circuit of Spa is doing his restyle.

I hope they will not ruin the track...

https://i.imgur.com/PdOh4Cr.png

https://twitter.com/24hSpaMotos/status/1469761597950283785

They are doing to get the license for endurance races.


I read they're not going to change track layout. They will build new stands and will ad gravel in some dangerous run-off zones instead of asphalt, Eau Rouge for example.
BTW, they didn't gave refund to people for ''race'' in 2021, but have millions to spend for track rebuild. People are angry now.
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Yeah, it is really interesting to see that Hamilton has 0 following on his Instagram now. I saw even a video that some guy caught the moment while he was doing it. And we already know that he is having a big disappointment after FIA's huge mistake in the last race. In the end, FIA literally prevented Hamilton from winning his deserved title. And I've heard that Bernie Ecclestone said that Hamilton might not return to F1. But I really hope that he doesn't quit F1 before winning his 8th title.
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Lewis Hamilton has deleted all his followers on twitter, I read. It also appears that he is considering quitting F1 and making a career switch. Perhaps that man no longer has a challenge. If Hamilton steps, who is going to stop Verstappen from becoming a wealthy champion? There is absolutely no one who can come close to those 2, on any track.
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The circuit of Spa is doing his restyle.

I hope they will not ruin the track...



https://twitter.com/24hSpaMotos/status/1469761597950283785

They are doing to get the license for endurance races.

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Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)

I believe that this is a good thinking of Ferrari. Because Leclerc and Sainz are both determined and ambitious drivers. They both want to do their best for the team. Moreover, none of them is clearly better than the other one. This makes the competition among them harder. At this point, I also think that it is the best to leave this to the drivers to determine who deserves to be the primary driver of Ferrari.
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Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)

I think that's very good and hope that it will be carried out in this way. The difference between Mercedes and RedBull is that both teams have a clearly superior driver, which is not the case with Ferrari, I think they are both on the same level.

I'm curious to see how Russel can hold his own against Hamilton next year, it won't be as easy for Hamilton as it was at Bottas.
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It's not completely right. He had phone call with Lewis father and they didn't talked about Lewis future, it was just about business:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-hamilton-retirement-bernie-ecclestone-25780517
So, Bernie don't know any inside information what Lewis thinking and it's just his personal opinion. I think it's done to keep drama and interest high during offseason when nothing happens.

Well you know, I must have read a clickbait.
You're right he said that "according to himself/he thinks" that Hamilton will not be coming back in F1, we will see but I doubt he will give up to 30m€ of his salary so easily.
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There are two opinions about Lewis unfollowing everyone. One say that he did this because his team was still celebrating like crazy the night he lost, sure Mercedes won but lewis lost and for some reason he might be expecting a bit more solace about it, and he is considering retiring, or even maybe changing teams but he has contract so retirement could be possible.

The other side says he just wanted to get away from social media, focus on himself, work harder, and be a lot better next year, the older you get the harder it becomes and I am guessing that he may want to work extra hard and get that 8th title in 2022. I believe that it is hard work part, he was never liked by the drivers anyway, so this doesn't change much, he is going to be working real hard to get that title for sure, we may even see a very aggressive Hamilton coming next season.
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Bernie Ecclestone is rumored to have a phone call with Lewis Hamilton.

After this "call" Bernie released an interview and he said, "Lewis will not come back in F1".

For the ones who don't know Bernie, he is the ex-owner of F1.
It's not completely right. He had phone call with Lewis father and they didn't talked about Lewis future, it was just about business:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-hamilton-retirement-bernie-ecclestone-25780517
So, Bernie don't know any inside information what Lewis thinking and it's just his personal opinion. I think it's done to keep drama and interest high during offseason when nothing happens.
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Bernie Ecclestone is rumored to have a phone call with Lewis Hamilton.

After this "call" Bernie released an interview and he said, "Lewis will not come back in F1".

For the ones who don't know Bernie, he is the ex-owner of F1.
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Good move by Ferrari which was to blame for their team orders not that many years ago with Schumacher and Barrichello.It is good to let the track decide which driver will be given advantage,I think this is clearly understandable that will be the driver which will have more chances to win a race or the Championship.I think 2022 will be a good year for Ferrari and they maybe a team fighting for wins because they have developed this car since early 2021 so I expect this car to be very competitive.

Isn't the same thing Mercedes was doing with Bottas "let lewis pass" and Redbull with Perez.

Well I mean, you know it Perez is never ahead of Max anyway.  Grin

What I meant is that Ferrari started that in those years in the Schumacher era while McLaren that were their main rival didn't gave any team orders as they were not allowed,Ferrari got a fine to pay for doing that with their drivers although it was not needed because they were the strongest team and didn't need team orders to make Schumacher world Champion.

Now I know this is common but my point was that Ferrari started doing it even when it was not allowed by the rules at that time,nevertheless I hope we see more competition this 2022 season with Mercedes,Redbull,Ferrari and McLaren all fighting for winning the race.That would be the best we can hope for.
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There were some talks swirling around that Ferrari was pressuring Vettel too, hence the mistakes during 2018 was it?

That was the year that I realised Vettel isn't actually a very good driver. Ferrari had the best car and should have won the championship fairly easily... yet somehow it went to Mercedes. Vettel made mistake after mistake in race after race, throwing away a huge number of points. I think it puts his 4 titles into perspective a bit.
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I've just read that Latifi has been receiving death threats after the Abu Dhabi debacle. This is depressing, and yet utterly inevitable. Do people really think he did it on purpose? If not, then why attack? I can understand them being angry and casting around for someone to blame, and whilst it's totally unacceptable to make death threats to anyone, I don't understand why they're targeting Latifi, and not Masi, who orchestrated the whole thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Masi got death threats too. We just don't know about because he is less public person than Latifi.
I'm not very surprised about these things. Sport is emotions and some people get addicted so much that they common sense.

Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)
That's interesting stuff. If it will turn into reality, probably it will be 1st time in maybe 20 years when both Ferrari drivers will have equal rights. Fact that Sainz in his debut season in Ferrari outscored Leclerc helped him a lot.
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Good move by Ferrari which was to blame for their team orders not that many years ago with Schumacher and Barrichello.It is good to let the track decide which driver will be given advantage,I think this is clearly understandable that will be the driver which will have more chances to win a race or the Championship.I think 2022 will be a good year for Ferrari and they maybe a team fighting for wins because they have developed this car since early 2021 so I expect this car to be very competitive.

Isn't the same thing Mercedes was doing with Bottas "let lewis pass" and Redbull with Perez.

Well I mean, you know it Perez is never ahead of Max anyway.  Grin
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Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)

Oof more pressure on Leclerc’s shoulders.  I think it’s because Sainz finihed the season with racking more points.  They prolly think putting the pressure on Leclerc would bring optimal performance.  I think Ferrari should just support him all the way. 

There were some talks swirling around that Ferrari was pressuring Vettel too, hence the mistakes during 2018 was it?
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Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)

Good move by Ferrari which was to blame for their team orders not that many years ago with Schumacher and Barrichello.It is good to let the track decide which driver will be given advantage,I think this is clearly understandable that will be the driver which will have more chances to win a race or the Championship.I think 2022 will be a good year for Ferrari and they maybe a team fighting for wins because they have developed this car since early 2021 so I expect this car to be very competitive.
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