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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 22, 2021, 04:05:16 PM

Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)

I think if your team is in a contest with another team for the championship, as it was with Red Bull and Mercedes this year, then you have to favour whichever of your drivers has the most points. It's only logical. And this is what Ferrari are saying, if LeClerc is fighting for the title, Sainz becomes #2, and the same the other way around. This is exactly how it should be for all teams. It might be difficult to imagine at Red Bull, Perez fighting for the title and Verstappen with lower points (and the same with Russell and Hamilton at Mercedes)... but in this circumstance the team would surely order Verstappen (or Hamilton) to let Perez (or Russell) through.

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Small information, nothing big and predictable.

Ferrari has released an interview in which they state that:

Next year they will not have a first and a second driver, and LeClerc and Sainz will start on equal terms and it will be the track that will decide who will be the captain of the team.

(which is however different in Redbull and Mercedes where they clearly have the two fixed captains)

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It is really good to hear that Lewis Hamilton has decided not to retire now. He has an incomplete job to do about his 8th title and breaking a brand new record once more. And I don't expect him to quit F1 until making it to his goal. By the way, I'm really sorry to hear that Latifi receives death threats these days. And it was really nice to see that Mercedes and Red Bull teams stated that they were backing him up about this.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on December 22, 2021, 02:29:11 AM

I've just read that Latifi has been receiving death threats after the Abu Dhabi debacle. This is depressing, and yet utterly inevitable. Do people really think he did it on purpose? If not, then why attack? I can understand them being angry and casting around for someone to blame, and whilst it's totally unacceptable to make death threats to anyone, I don't understand why they're targeting Latifi, and not Masi, who orchestrated the whole thing.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 20, 2021, 02:31:10 PM

I think I read an article stating that getting Russel to Mercedes was a form of a risk on their part. Instead of being a wingman to Hamilton, Russel might actually compete against Hamilton in the next season. I just really hope that it does not become Nico Rosberg part 2 where their friendship got ruined by being too competitive on the scene.

I don't think that will happen, at least certainly not initally. Put Russell and Hamilton in the same car, and Hamilton will win every time. But Russell is still young, and can improve. There's only one person on the grid at the moment who could compete with Hamilton in the same car... Verstappen. But I'd still say Hamilton is ahead on consistency, tyre-management, and big-picture thinking (i.e. back out when needed in order to secure second place, instead of making kamikaze lunges that can result in 0 points). But Lewis and Max are a long way ahead of everyone else. As for best of the rest, who knows? But it would be good to see Alonso in a competitive car again.

It is very sad that Latifi has to go through stuff like that now but honestly it is not really that surprising to me. I would guess that there are thousands of hardcore Hamilton and/or Mercedes fans around the world that were completely shocked and angry that hamilton lost his 8th chamionship title in the very last round of the very last grand prix. From those thousands of hardcore fans you always have a few people that are crazy and going way to far with their loyalty. I don't really think though that Latifi is really in danger or something like that. I think that this were probably just some drunk dude that posted weird stuff.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 21, 2021, 04:13:17 AM

I'm also looking forward to the new season, and hope that Ferrari can finally get back to the top. Since almost the entire year was only developed on the car for 2022, the expectations are high. Mercedes and RedBull will be on a par with each other, at least that's how I personally expect it. We'll know more in a few months, I don't really trust the winter tests.

The serious problem for top teams is that they had an engine that worked well with the car they were given, now that the car is changing there are so many things changing with it, the design of the car will be very different and even tires will be growing to 18' as well. This means that sure having a powerful engine means you could still be at a big advantage and that means Mercedes and RBR will definitely be fighting for the top spot, there is no denying that.

But, it also means that if any other team handles the new aerodynamics better and uses the engine they have a lot more efficiently, they could definitely take on top teams with a much worse engine just because they handled other parts well. It is not a guarantee, and 90%+ chance we get to similar rankings with teams, but at least it will be a chance given to mid table teams to have a bit more chance.

This wasn't done to drop Mercedes or RBR to a lower level, it was done to put Ferrari and Mclaren closer to top, and for alpha tauri, alpine, aston martin and so forth to higher points and finally having a chance to win some races.

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^ ^ I didn’t know F1 fans could be as dumb as football supporters. With football supporters we know there’s some tribalism and hooliganism involved, so some dumb shit is expected. But F1? Lol.

Anyway here’s a good read about end of season driver ratings. I think even if Verstappen didn’t win the driver’s championship, he’d still be considered more deserving. Wtg Max.

https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/994877/1/verstappen-clear-f1-s-star-performer-end-season-driver-ratings

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Quote from: Cnut237 on December 22, 2021, 02:29:11 AM

I've just read that Latifi has been receiving death threats after the Abu Dhabi debacle. This is depressing, and yet utterly inevitable. Do people really think he did it on purpose? If not, then why attack? I can understand them being angry and casting around for someone to blame, and whilst it's totally unacceptable to make death threats to anyone, I don't understand why they're targeting Latifi, and not Masi, who orchestrated the whole thing.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 20, 2021, 02:31:10 PM

I think I read an article stating that getting Russel to Mercedes was a form of a risk on their part. Instead of being a wingman to Hamilton, Russel might actually compete against Hamilton in the next season. I just really hope that it does not become Nico Rosberg part 2 where their friendship got ruined by being too competitive on the scene.

I don't think that will happen, at least certainly not initally. Put Russell and Hamilton in the same car, and Hamilton will win every time. But Russell is still young, and can improve. There's only one person on the grid at the moment who could compete with Hamilton in the same car... Verstappen. But I'd still say Hamilton is ahead on consistency, tyre-management, and big-picture thinking (i.e. back out when needed in order to secure second place, instead of making kamikaze lunges that can result in 0 points). But Lewis and Max are a long way ahead of everyone else. As for best of the rest, who knows? But it would be good to see Alonso in a competitive car again.

@Cnut237 that’s very sad indeed and fans should understand that’s it’s not right to attack anyone this way, and hopefully these are all empty threats because we have seen enough controversy this season and need no more controversy around F1 for now. Also I doubt that Mercedes will allow Russel to overtake Hamilton, and in my personal opinion they’ll favour Hamilton each time so we can definitely rule this out from happening.

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I've just read that Latifi has been receiving death threats after the Abu Dhabi debacle. This is depressing, and yet utterly inevitable. Do people really think he did it on purpose? If not, then why attack? I can understand them being angry and casting around for someone to blame, and whilst it's totally unacceptable to make death threats to anyone, I don't understand why they're targeting Latifi, and not Masi, who orchestrated the whole thing.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on December 20, 2021, 02:31:10 PM

I think I read an article stating that getting Russel to Mercedes was a form of a risk on their part. Instead of being a wingman to Hamilton, Russel might actually compete against Hamilton in the next season. I just really hope that it does not become Nico Rosberg part 2 where their friendship got ruined by being too competitive on the scene.

I don't think that will happen, at least certainly not initally. Put Russell and Hamilton in the same car, and Hamilton will win every time. But Russell is still young, and can improve. There's only one person on the grid at the moment who could compete with Hamilton in the same car... Verstappen. But I'd still say Hamilton is ahead on consistency, tyre-management, and big-picture thinking (i.e. back out when needed in order to secure second place, instead of making kamikaze lunges that can result in 0 points). But Lewis and Max are a long way ahead of everyone else. As for best of the rest, who knows? But it would be good to see Alonso in a competitive car again.

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Quote from: boltz on December 18, 2021, 10:59:58 AM

Well, personally, I can't wait for the F1 22 season to begin as those cars will bring the A+ game into F1 with so many overtakes being available now but in the end it's up to cars to deliver powerful engines to bring the competition even closer, because if this won't happen , Mercedes will dominate again and I do hope they will as RedBull deserves nothing but dust.

I'm also looking forward to the new season, and hope that Ferrari can finally get back to the top. Since almost the entire year was only developed on the car for 2022, the expectations are high. Mercedes and RedBull will be on a par with each other, at least that's how I personally expect it. We'll know more in a few months, I don't really trust the winter tests.

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It is imminent the deal done for AUDI to join the circus in 2026.

The announcement can come before the start of next season.

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/audi-a-un-passo-dallingresso-in-f1-duesmann-hoffmann-power-unit-598312.html

Source in Italian, you can google translate if you want.

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Quote from: Real-Duke on December 20, 2021, 09:12:25 AM

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Could be but he signed a 2 years contract last year so his intention was to continue.

Keep in mind his salary, if he will retire he will give up to 30 million € and it is a huge amount of money.

Hopefully you are right. I want to see Hamilton vs Russel racing next year with Mercedes. Could become interesting if Russel can take the lead after the first grand prix races with the same material.

I think I read an article stating that getting Russel to Mercedes was a form of a risk on their part. Instead of being a wingman to Hamilton, Russel might actually compete against Hamilton in the next season. I just really hope that it does not become Nico Rosberg part 2 where their friendship got ruined by being too competitive on the scene.

I also doubt that Hamilton will retire anytime soon especially that the next season would introduce significant changes to the f1 car. All drives would be able to experience a new type of racing in a new type of car design.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 19, 2021, 05:14:43 PM

Could be but he signed a 2 years contract last year so his intention was to continue.

Keep in mind his salary, if he will retire he will give up to 30 million € and it is a huge amount of money.

Hopefully you are right. I want to see Hamilton vs Russel racing next year with Mercedes. Could become interesting if Russel can take the lead after the first grand prix races with the same material.

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Quote from: Fortify on December 19, 2021, 05:00:26 PM

Hamilton has been in the sport a long time and was probably good to go after this season. However he has been a lot more "political" lately and it does give him a good podium to spread any sort of message like that, whether he's doing that just because he's gotten older or because he does not fear any consequences is another question. He might want to go another season in order to try and walk away from F1 with the record setting 8 championship wins, it would also act as a bit of revenge against Verstappen and break up any potential winning streak that he might want to setup into the future. Hamilton clearly got unlucky with timings and a lack of tire changes, because he was able to pull away into the lead twice.

Could be but he signed a 2 years contract last year so his intention was to continue.

Keep in mind his salary, if he will retire he will give up to 30 million € and it is a huge amount of money.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 19, 2021, 02:39:09 PM

According to some rumors/speculations Bottas can go back in Mercedes in the case of Hamilton will choose to retire himself from the F1 after what happened the last week.

If will happen I think he will be the second driver of the time with Russell captain.

Hamilton has been in the sport a long time and was probably good to go after this season. However he has been a lot more "political" lately and it does give him a good podium to spread any sort of message like that, whether he's doing that just because he's gotten older or because he does not fear any consequences is another question. He might want to go another season in order to try and walk away from F1 with the record setting 8 championship wins, it would also act as a bit of revenge against Verstappen and break up any potential winning streak that he might want to setup into the future. Hamilton clearly got unlucky with timings and a lack of tire changes, because he was able to pull away into the lead twice.

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According to some rumors/speculations Bottas can go back in Mercedes in the case of Hamilton will choose to retire himself from the F1 after what happened the last week.

If will happen I think he will be the second driver of the time with Russell captain.

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The F1 2022 season can be one of the most waited seasons in F1 history without doubt. Because we are going to watch the drivers with brand new cars. The turbo hybrid era was dominated by Hamilton and Mercedes really a lot. And this time, we don't know which team will be the best in the next season. Maybe Mercedes and Red Bull will still continue to be top constructors. But we could see a new team or teams joining them. I would really like to see Ferrari coming back to their old days especially. They have very talented drivers also now and they deserve to be one of the top teams with powerful cars.

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How does everyone rate this ? is it the same as rated by: crashnet_motogp/

Not the same thing.

Rossi won with Honda the year before and the people of Max Biaggi were saying "he win only because Honda is better".
The following year Max Biaggi and Rossi swapped the moto and Rossi won again with Yamaha while Biaggi lost with the Honda.

I think this is the only time when Rossi cried in a track.

However, Quartararo won but the stronger opponent was missing.

Rossi is and was for me an exceptional rider, but the Yamaha was not really competitive in the last years, so you have to say respect to Fabio, that he wins the world championship with this bike is not easy. Bagnaia and Ducati have become stronger and stronger over the year, and for me they are the favourites next year. I think it will be very hard to beat Ducati and Bagnaia next year.

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Quote from: boltz on December 18, 2021, 10:59:58 AM

Well, personally, I can't wait for the F1 22 season to begin as those cars will bring the A+ game into F1 with so many overtakes being available now but in the end it's up to cars to deliver powerful engines to bring the competition even closer, because if this won't happen , Mercedes will dominate again and I do hope they will as RedBull deserves nothing but dust.

I don't want to go with your opinion for 2022 Grin

I hope that we see a better mix of winning drivers and teams coming together with the new cars. Surely this will be a little bit to much but only watching Mercedes vs red-bull again competitting the next season makes me a little tired Undecided

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 18, 2021, 03:03:01 PM

According to rumors, Jean Todt can join Ferrari again.

I don't know if it will be a good move, for sure Ferrari will gain "political" power but about the team, I don't know if it will an improvement.

He is quite old now but hey, I am no one.

Jean Todt did win with M.Schumacher quite a lot of Championships but at that time Ferrari was the better car just like Mercedes is in our days.They were lucky as there were no competitors,McLaren the second best car had a lot of reliability problems so they could not put up a fight.So I think no improvement in term of performance will happen here as Jean Todt has not dealt with managing a team from a couple of years now.The political power will not do any good as long as you don't have a track performance so I don't understand this move either.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 18, 2021, 12:51:08 PM

It was a virtue that Hamilton and Mercedes didn't go to international courts to file suit. Therefore, I think that tolerating something would be better for both sides.

Obviously the FIA would have rejected the Mercedes case. Presumably then they'd have had to make a civil case to try to seek redress in the French legal system.

I'm sure Wolff would have wanted to pursue this in the courts as far as he could, and probably Hamilton likewise. But Wolff only owns 1/3 of the F1 team. For Mercedes/Daimler I'm sure it's more about brand management and publicity, and the reward of a drivers' title was not worth the negative publicity (and looking like bad losers) that would have come out of dragging it through the legal system. It doesn't really matter to them that they had a rock-solid case, and that Hamilton would likely have been found legally to be the championship winner, the cost of getting to that result was not worth it.

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