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Quote from: AakZaki on August 16, 2021, 12:01:07 AM

A little happy that Rossi is still able to compete, he performed well today, even he was able to be in 3rd position when several riders changed motorbikes.

The rain helped him to finish in better position as well as his decision to not change the bike while some other riders decided to change the bike, but in overall performance, he was not competitive at all. Not because I do not like him, but his performance with his bike in 11 Races does not show that he is competitive enough. He realizes it so he decide to retire at the end of 2021.

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but can another racer make surprised tonight?, as I can see Marquez on the 5th grid, look like he will make the track going to be a tight competition with the high-temperature circuit.

The rain makes everything look messy. Quartararo was eliminated from the top 5, even Marquez was in 15th position. As usual, Ducati and KTM were good in the rain. Seeing how Bagnaia, Marquez and Quartararo fought fiercely to be in first place, it looks like it will be exciting. Unfortunately, none of them took first place in the fight, even KTM driver Brad Binder won. Rossi was also lucky he finished in eighth position.
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Congratulations to Brand Binder for finishing in the leading position.
Before the rain the race was very good and made us tense while watching it, because the three riders in front of Bagnaia, Quartararo and Marquez they were close to each other and looking for an opening to overtake, but Quartaro made a mistake on lap 19 he was too wide in the corner, so Marquez managed to take second place , and finally there was an overtaking action involving Marquez and Bagnaia so that Marquez became the fastest. However, the weather changed unexpectedly which finally made some riders very disappointed, one of them was Marc Marquez.

I think the race was very exciting yesterday and the courage with slicks on pouring rain was rewarded. You must feel like you're on ice with sneakers.

I'm also happy for Rossi that he has risked, briefly on podium course, only in the last lap the rain was already very strong but a good result for him. Marc Marquez has simply risked too much with the rain tires, To Binder congratulations, you must first dare.

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Quote from: AakZaki on August 16, 2021, 12:01:07 AM

Quote from: bounceback on August 15, 2021, 09:48:24 AM

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However, the weather changed unexpectedly which finally made some riders very disappointed, one of them was Marc Marquez.

Marquez looks good actually if there is no rain. Makes a very exciting race, rain makes it even more interesting. I didn't think Binder would win after Marquez, Quartararo and Bagnaia entered the pits. Even I just found out if Binder didn't change tires. He still uses Dry Tires when it rains. A bet that ends sweetly but is dangerous. A little happy that Rossi is still able to compete, he performed well today, even he was able to be in 3rd position when several riders changed motorbikes.

Interestingly, Binder's decision not to enter the pit lane to change his motorbike was boldly chosen by Binder and finally made him finish first and be able to survive until the race was over. On the other hand I was very surprised to see bagnaia, after changing his bike, he showed his epic stunts overtaking one by one rider in front of him without the slightest hesitation, thus getting second place.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on August 15, 2021, 11:18:21 AM

It was an exciting race, none the less. For a minute there it looked like Rossi had a podium spot after the leaders took to pit row. Congrats to Binder on the win, fortune favors the brave, I guess.

I'm almost happy when to see the table Rossi has inside in 3rd position but it's just 1 lap, maybe he slows down to avoid slips, maybe because he doesn't change motorbike (I'm not sure) and in there I see bagnaia racing it fast in 2nd position. About Marquez, I expected he doesn't change the motorbike, but I'm disappointed he going to the pits and then happens crashes. that moment makes him failed again.

but congrats for the first time, Binder on 1st podium, you are the real gambler with didn't change the motorbike.

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Quote from: bounceback on August 15, 2021, 09:48:24 AM

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However, the weather changed unexpectedly which finally made some riders very disappointed, one of them was Marc Marquez.

Marquez looks good actually if there is no rain. Makes a very exciting race, rain makes it even more interesting. I didn't think Binder would win after Marquez, Quartararo and Bagnaia entered the pits. Even I just found out if Binder didn't change tires. He still uses Dry Tires when it rains. A bet that ends sweetly but is dangerous. A little happy that Rossi is still able to compete, he performed well today, even he was able to be in 3rd position when several riders changed motorbikes.

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Toto Wolff said that teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine and Aston Martin all have a chance to become the champion in the 2022 season. We are going to have new cars and we don't know which team will be on forefront in the next season. I hope that the competition fires up even more and we can see many teams competing for the title.

New regulation implies a new opportunity.

The team will abuse a new grey area will probably be the next world champion like the BrawnGP did back before the Redbull-Vetter era with Button-Barichello.

Mercedes wasn't this super dominant, nobody else could ever catch me type of team before the last regulation change (well big change one) and with that they became super dominant, just as Red Bull is finally catching up and actually even faster in some tracks, there is a new one, I hope red bull doesn't start to suck big time this season but the way Mercedes and red bull is racing and fighting, I feel like next seasons car is something they are lacking big time, they have to improve this year's car constantly in order to win the title this year, if they stop and the other one continues then they are going to lose for sure, but because of this they can't keep improving on the 2022 car neither, and meanwhile teams like Mclaren and Aston Martin can just keep focusing on next seasons car, which means they could actually be fighting for a title next season thanks to having this advantage.

yeah next season I think we will see some chaos in the start of the season the championship will be wide open.
But the Power Unit where Mercedes currently have some advantages over the other teams could stay as most of the technology will stay tge same other then Ferrari who will be doing a different system(split turbo system)then most of the other cars as they will try to maximise the power of combustion in the combustion chamber.
So the idea could take them up or bring them down, as for Aero technology that's where the chaos will be the drivers will need time to make adjustments to the car Aero and that's why the competition will open up at the start of the season and whom will be the fastest to get comfortable with the new car will be challenging at the end for the Championship.

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Quote from: jaberwock on August 15, 2021, 03:42:46 PM

Mercedes wasn't this super dominant, nobody else could ever catch me type of team before the last regulation change (well big change one) and with that they became super dominant, just as Red Bull is finally catching up and actually even faster in some tracks, there is a new one, I hope red bull doesn't start to suck big time this season but the way Mercedes and red bull is racing and fighting, I feel like next seasons car is something they are lacking big time, they have to improve this year's car constantly in order to win the title this year, if they stop and the other one continues then they are going to lose for sure, but because of this they can't keep improving on the 2022 car neither, and meanwhile teams like Mclaren and Aston Martin can just keep focusing on next seasons car, which means they could actually be fighting for a title next season thanks to having this advantage.

Mercedes...

The team who developed the Electrical part of the engine with FIA ahead of other teams.
The team who tested the tires ahead of the other team with Pirelli...

Anyway.

The FIA wanted to homologate a method for changing tires that was the same for all teams.
It was going in this direction but then Redbull and Mercedes went to war, "inviting" even the satellite teams to take sides.
In fact, nothing was done. Everything continues in the same way as now.

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Toto Wolff said that teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine and Aston Martin all have a chance to become the champion in the 2022 season. We are going to have new cars and we don't know which team will be on forefront in the next season. I hope that the competition fires up even more and we can see many teams competing for the title.

New regulation implies a new opportunity.

The team will abuse a new grey area will probably be the next world champion like the BrawnGP did back before the Redbull-Vetter era with Button-Barichello.

Mercedes wasn't this super dominant, nobody else could ever catch me type of team before the last regulation change (well big change one) and with that they became super dominant, just as Red Bull is finally catching up and actually even faster in some tracks, there is a new one, I hope red bull doesn't start to suck big time this season but the way Mercedes and red bull is racing and fighting, I feel like next seasons car is something they are lacking big time, they have to improve this year's car constantly in order to win the title this year, if they stop and the other one continues then they are going to lose for sure, but because of this they can't keep improving on the 2022 car neither, and meanwhile teams like Mclaren and Aston Martin can just keep focusing on next seasons car, which means they could actually be fighting for a title next season thanks to having this advantage.

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Quartararo still managed to extend his championship lead to 47 points ahead of second place. It was a frustrating last two laps for him and Marquez, I'm sure. The rest of the field was tip-toeing around the track on slicks, so they chose to gamble a pit stop. In retrospect it appears that was the wrong decision.

It was an exciting race, none the less. For a minute there it looked like Rossi had a podium spot after the leaders took to pit row. Congrats to Binder on the win, fortune favors the brave, I guess.

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Quote from: Luzin on August 15, 2021, 09:11:23 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on August 15, 2021, 06:59:59 AM

but can another racer make surprised tonight?, as I can see Marquez on the 5th grid, look like he will make the track going to be a tight competition with the high-temperature circuit.

The rain makes everything look messy. Quartararo was eliminated from the top 5, even Marquez was in 15th position. As usual, Ducati and KTM were good in the rain. Seeing how Bagnaia, Marquez and Quartararo fought fiercely to be in first place, it looks like it will be exciting. Unfortunately, none of them took first place in the fight, even KTM driver Brad Binder won. Rossi was also lucky he finished in eighth position.
This is temporary standings after MotoGP Austria

Congratulations to Brand Binder for finishing in the leading position.
Before the rain the race was very good and made us tense while watching it, because the three riders in front of Bagnaia, Quartararo and Marquez they were close to each other and looking for an opening to overtake, but Quartaro made a mistake on lap 19 he was too wide in the corner, so Marquez managed to take second place , and finally there was an overtaking action involving Marquez and Bagnaia so that Marquez became the fastest. However, the weather changed unexpectedly which finally made some riders very disappointed, one of them was Marc Marquez.

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Quote from: blue Snow on August 15, 2021, 06:59:59 AM

but can another racer make surprised tonight?, as I can see Marquez on the 5th grid, look like he will make the track going to be a tight competition with the high-temperature circuit.

The rain makes everything look messy. Quartararo was eliminated from the top 5, even Marquez was in 15th position. As usual, Ducati and KTM were good in the rain. Seeing how Bagnaia, Marquez and Quartararo fought fiercely to be in first place, it looks like it will be exciting. Unfortunately, none of them took first place in the fight, even KTM driver Brad Binder won. Rossi was also lucky he finished in eighth position.
This is temporary standings after MotoGP Austria

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Quote from: Luzin on August 15, 2021, 06:44:59 AM

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Now back to that short-lived lap record at the Red Bull Ring, where the hell did this young kid, Jorge Martin come from? Last week's win was impressive, but looked like a fluke of sorts and I didn't put a lot of thought into it. Now he's taken pole two weeks in a row, and looks good to take the win tomorrow. It'll be interesting to if he climbs the standings and over-takes the factory Ducati riders.

I think so too. But seeing this result my mind changed. Maybe he's really good in Austria.

In a few minutes again to start Moto GP. Wink

Will Martin be able to win again? hard to predict.
I think Quartararo will fight hard to win here, the gap between him and Martin by only 0.043 seconds is very small. Maybe Quartararo can be on the podium today.

It's starting to rain a few drops, everyone it frantically changing to softer tires now. If it's a wet race look for Miller and the Marquez brothers to make some moves. Marc has gone with the soft compound on the rear, he's expecting a damp track.

I'm still rooting for Quartararo. And we're off!

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Quote from: Luzin on August 15, 2021, 06:44:59 AM

In a few minutes again to start Moto GP. Wink

Will Martin be able to win again? hard to predict.
I think Quartararo will fight hard to win here, the gap between him and Martin by only 0.043 seconds is very small. Maybe Quartararo can be on the podium today.

Martin is still on the first grid atm, followed by Quartararo behind and Bagnaia, Possible Martin will get the win tonight because the red bull ring is his track and of course straight track is suitable for Ducati. when I look at stand, Ducati domination on the grid either.

but can another racer make surprised tonight?, as I can see Marquez on the 5th grid, look like he will make the track going to be a tight competition with the high-temperature circuit.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on August 14, 2021, 03:01:12 PM

Now back to that short-lived lap record at the Red Bull Ring, where the hell did this young kid, Jorge Martin come from? Last week's win was impressive, but looked like a fluke of sorts and I didn't put a lot of thought into it. Now he's taken pole two weeks in a row, and looks good to take the win tomorrow. It'll be interesting to if he climbs the standings and over-takes the factory Ducati riders.

I think so too. But seeing this result my mind changed. Maybe he's really good in Austria.

In a few minutes again to start Moto GP. Wink

Will Martin be able to win again? hard to predict.
I think Quartararo will fight hard to win here, the gap between him and Martin by only 0.043 seconds is very small. Maybe Quartararo can be on the podium today.

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Quote from: ziyaaa on August 14, 2021, 11:21:22 AM

Toto Wolff said that teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine and Aston Martin all have a chance to become the champion in the 2022 season. We are going to have new cars and we don't know which team will be on forefront in the next season. I hope that the competition fires up even more and we can see many teams competing for the title.

New regulation implies a new opportunity.

The team will abuse a new grey area will probably be the next world champion like the BrawnGP did back before the Redbull-Vetter era with Button-Barichello.

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There are still two weeks to the next F1 race in Spa, Belgium. I feel really sad when it's the weekend and I see there is no race. Sad

I hope that the time goes on really fast and we skip to the race directly. Because I think that we are going to see an incredible race in Spa. This track is just awesome and I think that it's one of the best tracks for most of F1 spectators.

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The grid is set for tomorrow's MotoGP race, here are the top 5:

I was surprised Quartararo was able to set a new lap record on the Yamaha at the Australian ring (short-lived as it was.) That's quite impressive, and definitely a highlight for the Yamaha team after some drama this week. Looks highly unlikely that Viñales will ever ride a Yamaha again. I wonder if there's any truth to the claims that he deliberately caused the bike to malfunction last weekend.

Now back to that short-lived lap record at the Red Bull Ring, where the hell did this young kid, Jorge Martin come from? Last week's win was impressive, but looked like a fluke of sorts and I didn't put a lot of thought into it. Now he's taken pole two weeks in a row, and looks good to take the win tomorrow. It'll be interesting to if he climbs the standings and over-takes the factory Ducati riders.

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Quote from: ziyaaa on August 14, 2021, 11:21:22 AM

Toto Wolff said that teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine and Aston Martin all have a chance to become the champion in the 2022 season. We are going to have new cars and we don't know which team will be on forefront in the next season. I hope that the competition fires up even more and we can see many teams competing for the title.

Of course he says that because he wants to create some form of excitement for the next season and if i remember correctly he basically said that before every season and we all know how boring the last few F1 seasons were. This season red bull came pretty close, but the main reason for that is probably that mercedes already puts a lot of effort into the car of next year and not so much into this years car. Red Bull on the other hand invested more into this years car and that is probably the reason why they are closer now. So it is also possible that mercedes is much further ahead next season then this one. Of course there are big changes to the car in the next season but that doesn't mean every team starts at 0 again.

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Toto Wolff said that teams like Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine and Aston Martin all have a chance to become the champion in the 2022 season. We are going to have new cars and we don't know which team will be on forefront in the next season. I hope that the competition fires up even more and we can see many teams competing for the title.

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Binotto released an interview this week and he said Ferrari will come with a new step for the engine, which is a step for the 2022 new engine.
The step will not the last one and it will be a huge boost in power according to him.

The engine will come from Monza.

I'm not going into technical but the Ferrari engine for 2022 will be a revolution for Ferrari, let's wait Monza.

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