"Honda 2021 Engine is more powerful than Merdeces 2020 Engine"
This is what the Honda engineer is saying.
"We have built this engine with the tech for 2022, we anticipated the innovation by 1 year since Honda will leave the F1"
This year can be the Verstappen year especially with the problems that emerged in the Mercedes
Topic: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... - page 399. (Read 132182 times)
March 19, 2021, 06:05:06 PM
March 17, 2021, 05:17:36 AM
It seems that after the 2019 case regarding ducati's aerodynamics, it is now a solution to increasing motor speed. If I'm not mistaken at that time Suzuki, Honda, Aprilia, and KTM protested for the Ducati Desmosedici P19 swing-arm spoiler. Many have accused Ducati of taking advantage of these regulations. Therefore, for 2020 to date, rules have been made regarding the aerodynamic body spoilers of MotoGP which must be obeyed. So starting from here, I see new aerodynamics in each team, past many people protested, now they are used a lot.
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature
This is the Motorsports.
We always see someone bypassing the regulation with the innovation, this is why we are getting more, faster safer cars/moto.
If they gain is too much the trick will be banned the following year.
For example, now in F1 we also have the Mclearn who is the only one using a special back on the car and they probably have an huge advantage.
Ducati was always very innovative and resourceful when it came to developing new things, see also starting device and the aero wings that could be changed.
Yeah the commentators also explained why Michael had MSC and not SCH, it was because of Ralf ! I didn't know/remember that.
To be honest I'm not convinced, if Mick wants to prove he deserves his seat in F1, he should be his own man. He can't avoid being compared to his father but he could at least get his own 3 letters !
To be honest I'm not convinced, if Mick wants to prove he deserves his seat in F1, he should be his own man. He can't avoid being compared to his father but he could at least get his own 3 letters !
I'm not sure if that's true, Michael Schumacher was in F1 long before Ralf and I don't remember Michael ever having anything other than MSC. Ralf I think had RSC. Mick still had SCH in Formula 2 and I agree that he should remain authentic and not use his father's acronym.
For me it also looked strange to see MSC, especially when there was SCH in F2 under his name. And explanation about Ralf Schumacher doesn't makes sense for me. He retired so long time ago, way before Michael did, so SCH is free to use now. I don't know, maybe they are trying to make nostalgia for F1 and Michael fans with this trick
.It was definitely like that Michael always had MSC and Ralf RSC I found a German article about it.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/msc-mick-schumacher-verwendet-das-gleiche-kuerzel-wie-michael-schumacher-21031211
March 16, 2021, 07:45:17 PM
Yeah the commentators also explained why Michael had MSC and not SCH, it was because of Ralf ! I didn't know/remember that.
To be honest I'm not convinced, if Mick wants to prove he deserves his seat in F1, he should be his own man. He can't avoid being compared to his father but he could at least get his own 3 letters !
To be honest I'm not convinced, if Mick wants to prove he deserves his seat in F1, he should be his own man. He can't avoid being compared to his father but he could at least get his own 3 letters !
I'm not sure if that's true, Michael Schumacher was in F1 long before Ralf and I don't remember Michael ever having anything other than MSC. Ralf I think had RSC. Mick still had SCH in Formula 2 and I agree that he should remain authentic and not use his father's acronym.
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For me it also looked strange to see MSC, especially when there was SCH in F2 under his name. And explanation about Ralf Schumacher doesn't makes sense for me. He retired so long time ago, way before Michael did, so SCH is free to use now. I don't know, maybe they are trying to make nostalgia for F1 and Michael fans with this trick
. March 16, 2021, 07:00:44 PM
It seems that after the 2019 case regarding ducati's aerodynamics, it is now a solution to increasing motor speed. If I'm not mistaken at that time Suzuki, Honda, Aprilia, and KTM protested for the Ducati Desmosedici P19 swing-arm spoiler. Many have accused Ducati of taking advantage of these regulations. Therefore, for 2020 to date, rules have been made regarding the aerodynamic body spoilers of MotoGP which must be obeyed. So starting from here, I see new aerodynamics in each team, past many people protested, now they are used a lot.
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature
This is the Motorsports.
We always see someone bypassing the regulation with the innovation, this is why we are getting more, faster safer cars/moto.
If they gain is too much the trick will be banned the following year.
For example, now in F1 we also have the Mclearn who is the only one using a special back on the car and they probably have an huge advantage.
March 16, 2021, 04:17:06 PM
At the tests it looks like Ducati use as first MotoGP team the ground effect at his new bikes?
~snip~
It seems that after the 2019 case regarding ducati's aerodynamics, it is now a solution to increasing motor speed. If I'm not mistaken at that time Suzuki, Honda, Aprilia, and KTM protested for the Ducati Desmosedici P19 swing-arm spoiler. Many have accused Ducati of taking advantage of these regulations. Therefore, for 2020 to date, rules have been made regarding the aerodynamic body spoilers of MotoGP which must be obeyed. So starting from here, I see new aerodynamics in each team, past many people protested, now they are used a lot. ~snip~
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature
March 16, 2021, 10:27:22 AM
I don't know if you guys noticed it but in the F1 official page I saw MSC standing for Mick Schumacher during testing and it felt great seeing it again after many years.Also Mick too said it was very happy for it because it felt a bond to these letters referring to his father Michael Schumacher.
Yeah the commentators also explained why Michael had MSC and not SCH, it was because of Ralf ! I didn't know/remember that.
To be honest I'm not convinced, if Mick wants to prove he deserves his seat in F1, he should be his own man. He can't avoid being compared to his father but he could at least get his own 3 letters !
I'm not sure if that's true, Michael Schumacher was in F1 long before Ralf and I don't remember Michael ever having anything other than MSC. Ralf I think had RSC. Mick still had SCH in Formula 2 and I agree that he should remain authentic and not use his father's acronym.
March 16, 2021, 04:24:57 AM
I don't know if you guys noticed it but in the F1 official page I saw MSC standing for Mick Schumacher during testing and it felt great seeing it again after many years.Also Mick too said it was very happy for it because it felt a bond to these letters referring to his father Michael Schumacher.
Yeah the commentators also explained why Michael had MSC and not SCH, it was because of Ralf ! I didn't know/remember that.
To be honest I'm not convinced, if Mick wants to prove he deserves his seat in F1, he should be his own man. He can't avoid being compared to his father but he could at least get his own 3 letters !
March 15, 2021, 08:12:25 AM
At the tests it looks like Ducati use as first MotoGP team the ground effect at his new bikes?
And it looks that under the bike the air come back over the back swing arm?
Also Yamaha have a new aerodynamic part at the front.
Sources:
https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/news-269722-technik-news-beim-motogp-test-nutzt-ducati-ground-effect/
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/is-ducati-using-ground-effect-for-more-grip-in-motogp
And it looks that under the bike the air come back over the back swing arm?
Also Yamaha have a new aerodynamic part at the front.
Sources:
https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/news-269722-technik-news-beim-motogp-test-nutzt-ducati-ground-effect/
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/is-ducati-using-ground-effect-for-more-grip-in-motogp
March 15, 2021, 06:49:27 AM
I don't know if you guys noticed it but in the F1 official page I saw MSC standing for Mick Schumacher during testing and it felt great seeing it again after many years.Also Mick too said it was very happy for it because it felt a bond to these letters referring to his father Michael Schumacher.
March 15, 2021, 04:27:25 AM
Fourteen days again MotoGP will start, I'm waiting for Rossi and Marquez one more track. With Rossi's old age condition, can he still compete? Then Marquez I haven't heard he will come back even though he is listed as a racer in Qatar's opener series. If you look at the results of the last test, Yamaha riders dominate the positions one to three of the fastest. Will Yamaha dominate the opening series in Qatar? I can't wait it. Below are the results number 1-15 of their last test.
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/972223/1/qatar-motogp-test-ii-losail-thursday-lap-times-final[/center]
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/972223/1/qatar-motogp-test-ii-losail-thursday-lap-times-final[/center]
Last year Yamaha also had a fantastic start to the season, but then probably fell further and further back due to engine problems (valves). I hope that things go better this year for Yamaha and of course for Rossi too.
March 14, 2021, 07:34:58 PM
I've started watching the practices since I found a way to get them, I didn't realize it was so many hours ! Long days for the engineers ! The Alpine car has a bulbous airbox, it's very strange. Mercedes and the gearbox, yeah, I don't know, maybe they tried to optimize something to eek out more performance and it isn't working. Or maybe a manufacturing defect ?
I don't know how these pre season tests affect the season regarding the parts, are they using an engine a gearbox (and all other power elements) that will be used in races ?
I don't know how these pre season tests affect the season regarding the parts, are they using an engine a gearbox (and all other power elements) that will be used in races ?
Mercedes changed the back of their car like every other team since we have a slim difference between this year and the last year.
Since they have a smaller back car I suppose they changed something in their gearbox or even they have a new gearbox and is not performing as expected.
I'm also pretty sure since they can use only 3 engines every piece on these cars on the test can be changed without any penalty.
Tests are very strange because many teams can hide but problems are real.
For now we probably can say.
RedBull most consistent.
Mercedes has some gearbox problem, can they be easily fixed? Who knows
Aston Martin and Ferrari uses tires aggressively but Ferrari in the end of Today did a very good long session without destroying the tires.
Alfa Romeo, Alpha Tauri, and Mclaren can fight for the 3rd spot after Mercedes and Redbull.
Ferrari new engine seems very competitive in high speed.
March 14, 2021, 05:29:03 PM
I've started watching the practices since I found a way to get them, I didn't realize it was so many hours ! Long days for the engineers ! The Alpine car has a bulbous airbox, it's very strange. Mercedes and the gearbox, yeah, I don't know, maybe they tried to optimize something to eek out more performance and it isn't working. Or maybe a manufacturing defect ?
I don't know how these pre season tests affect the season regarding the parts, are they using an engine a gearbox (and all other power elements) that will be used in races ?
I don't know how these pre season tests affect the season regarding the parts, are they using an engine a gearbox (and all other power elements) that will be used in races ?
March 14, 2021, 03:52:56 PM
Test are done and Today they had pushed a little more but not at 100%.
Driver Team Laps Time
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 58 1:30.289
2 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 87 +0.124
3 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 70 +0.171
4 Lando Norris McLaren 52 +0.297
5 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo 124 +0.471
6 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 73 +0.597
7 Nicholas Latifi Williams 132 +1.383
8 Sergio Perez Red Bull 139 +1.393
9 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 52 +1.926
10 Fernando Alonso Alpine 127 +2.050
11 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 57 +2.395
12 Mick Schumacher Haas 88 +2.594
13 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 56 +2.783
14 Nikita Mazepin Haas 76 +2.812
15 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 58 +3.110
16 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 10 +8.560
Source: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12244868/f1-testing-day-two-valtteri-bottas-fastest-as-mercedes-bounce-back-while-alphatauri-mclaren-impress
Redbull seems the best car right now followed by Mercedes and the rest of the teams.
Alfa Romeo seems very strong and competes for the 3-4th spot on the leaderboard.
Alpine seems week as Aston Martin who had a lot of problems.
See you back in 10 days F1!
Driver Team Laps Time
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 58 1:30.289
2 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 87 +0.124
3 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 70 +0.171
4 Lando Norris McLaren 52 +0.297
5 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo 124 +0.471
6 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 73 +0.597
7 Nicholas Latifi Williams 132 +1.383
8 Sergio Perez Red Bull 139 +1.393
9 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 52 +1.926
10 Fernando Alonso Alpine 127 +2.050
11 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 57 +2.395
12 Mick Schumacher Haas 88 +2.594
13 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 56 +2.783
14 Nikita Mazepin Haas 76 +2.812
15 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 58 +3.110
16 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 10 +8.560
Source: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12244868/f1-testing-day-two-valtteri-bottas-fastest-as-mercedes-bounce-back-while-alphatauri-mclaren-impress
Redbull seems the best car right now followed by Mercedes and the rest of the teams.
Alfa Romeo seems very strong and competes for the 3-4th spot on the leaderboard.
Alpine seems week as Aston Martin who had a lot of problems.
See you back in 10 days F1!
March 14, 2021, 01:35:56 PM
Fourteen days again MotoGP will start, I'm waiting for Rossi and Marquez one more track. With Rossi's old age condition, can he still compete? Then Marquez I haven't heard he will come back even though he is listed as a racer in Qatar's opener series. If you look at the results of the last test, Yamaha riders dominate the positions one to three of the fastest. Will Yamaha dominate the opening series in Qatar? I can't wait it. Below are the results number 1-15 of their last test.
March 14, 2021, 10:05:21 AM
Pirelli guy spoke with Italian Sky and he said:
"We spoke with Fia and teams for the sprint qualify, a race of 100km, we already have the regulation and it will public soon"
The intention is to do 1 race and test it.
Sky also said the probable races are, Silverstone Monza and Interlagos.
"We spoke with Fia and teams for the sprint qualify, a race of 100km, we already have the regulation and it will public soon"
The intention is to do 1 race and test it.
Sky also said the probable races are, Silverstone Monza and Interlagos.
March 14, 2021, 09:55:24 AM
Vettel last while Lance is third !
Vettel got problems in his gearbox xD, too early to call this.
Actually, this can be a huge problem.
It seems he got the same problem as Hamilton/Bottas had yesterday and yes in case you are wondering they are using the same gearbox and this can be a HUGE problem since if it is a structural problem it can take months to be solved.
So far Red Bull seems maybe the favorite.
I’ll start to worry for Vettel after the fifth race of the season. But there’s some info swirling around that the tail of that Aston Martin is very stable which suits Vettel’s driving style. Pretty excited to see him in his first quali of the season.
March 14, 2021, 03:35:03 AM
Mercedes completed fewest laps, they had some problems with gearbox.
The weird thing is, they're using the same gearbox as last year. It's not like it's a new and untested piece of machinery. Perhaps there is some problem in getting the existing gearbox to work with the new car... but then it's strange to say the problem is the gearbox, when it ran absolutely fine last season.
possible that they're just sanbagging
Perhaps. But there does seem to be a genuine issue there. It's one thing to hide your true pace, but another to pretend you have a major issue and then miss a big chunk of what is a very limited testing window.
March 13, 2021, 07:10:13 PM
Personally, I don't want to make some kind of conclusion from testing. Mercedes completed fewest laps, they had some problems with gearbox. But it's also possible that they're just sanbagging at some level. I don't know it's coincidence or no, but Aston Martin had same gearbox issues and completed fewest laps after Mercedes.
It was interesting to see Perez in Red Bull car and it was great to see Alonso back in action.
It was interesting to see Perez in Red Bull car and it was great to see Alonso back in action.
March 13, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Vettel last while Lance is third !
Vettel got problems in his gearbox xD, too early to call this.
Actually, this can be a huge problem.
It seems he got the same problem as Hamilton/Bottas had yesterday and yes in case you are wondering they are using the same gearbox and this can be a HUGE problem since if it is a structural problem it can take months to be solved.
So far Red Bull seems maybe the favorite.
March 13, 2021, 05:56:29 PM
Vettel last while Lance is third !
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