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Quote from: dre1982 on February 15, 2021, 07:44:55 AM

Good news for Red Bull.

The keep using the Honda engines and are now forming a new operations called Red Bull Powertrains Limited.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-red-bull-agree-deal-to-run-honda-engine-technology-until-2025.3wmTSMrtsv6miuwqApz8IT.html

I'm not so sure it's a good thing, how good will be their engines, as a company selling drinks in cans ?

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I think the teams are broadly supportive now of trying it, yes. AFAIK the plan was to try it in maybe three races in 2021 (or at least there were three where they thought it might be an option). I think the sticking point when it was last raised as a possibility was Mercedes not liking the 'reverse grid' element of it... but now that's been removed and Mercedes are on board.

The reverse grid will never happen in F1 since in some tracks like Monaco is impossible to overtake even if a car is 5 sec slower for a lap.

Have there ever been a season in F1 that had the reverse grid? Seems dumb tbh. Lol. And it could prolly make races more prone to accidents imo.

What the FIA could do is allow refueling during pit stops. That should make the cars lighter and faster in race and would give the teams another angle to strategize.

I don't expect they will introduce refueling anymore. They are trying to make is safer every year and refueling doesn't make is safer.

If they want to make strategies even more important, they must change the rule that every car needs to make at least 1 pitstop to 2 pitstops. This will make every race must more interesting to watch. Now they are saving their tyres the whole race.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 14, 2021, 04:09:34 PM

I think the teams are broadly supportive now of trying it, yes. AFAIK the plan was to try it in maybe three races in 2021 (or at least there were three where they thought it might be an option). I think the sticking point when it was last raised as a possibility was Mercedes not liking the 'reverse grid' element of it... but now that's been removed and Mercedes are on board.

The reverse grid will never happen in F1 since in some tracks like Monaco is impossible to overtake even if a car is 5 sec slower for a lap.

Have there ever been a season in F1 that had the reverse grid? Seems dumb tbh. Lol. And it could prolly make races more prone to accidents imo.

What the FIA could do is allow refueling during pit stops. That should make the cars lighter and faster in race and would give the teams another angle to strategize.

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Good news for Red Bull.

The keep using the Honda engines and are now forming a new operations called Red Bull Powertrains Limited.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-red-bull-agree-deal-to-run-honda-engine-technology-until-2025.3wmTSMrtsv6miuwqApz8IT.html

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It is difficult to overtake in Monaco but not impossible, after the tunnel for example.

Yep, but imagine if Hamilton stats as the last one, if he does a miracle he can reach the 10th position in Monaco.

It is hard to pass fast cars in the tunnel and half of the f1 cars now have the same Mercedes engine...

I read an article this evening about a rumor on Domenicali.
As you may know, he is now the CEO (I think) of the circus and he seems not happy with the sprint races.

We have seen in the past drivers of his calibre has made overtakes in Monaco.However almost if not all of them were against much weaker teams.We rarely and almost never have seen a good overtake for example from Mercedes against Redbull or Mclaren against Ferrari.I doubt this will change this season.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 14, 2021, 04:09:34 PM

I think the teams are broadly supportive now of trying it, yes. AFAIK the plan was to try it in maybe three races in 2021 (or at least there were three where they thought it might be an option). I think the sticking point when it was last raised as a possibility was Mercedes not liking the 'reverse grid' element of it... but now that's been removed and Mercedes are on board.

The reverse grid will never happen in F1 since in some tracks like Monaco is impossible to overtake even if a car is 5 sec slower for a lap.

If there every will be a reverse grid they have to skip some tracks or do even more dramatic changes like DRS on the whole track but even that wouldnt help to more overtakes in Monaco.

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Quote from: aesma on February 14, 2021, 06:12:32 PM

It is difficult to overtake in Monaco but not impossible, after the tunnel for example.

Yep, but imagine if Hamilton stats as the last one, if he does a miracle he can reach the 10th position in Monaco.

It is hard to pass fast cars in the tunnel and half of the f1 cars now have the same Mercedes engine...

I read an article this evening about a rumor on Domenicali.
As you may know, he is now the CEO (I think) of the circus and he seems not happy with the sprint races.

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It is difficult to overtake in Monaco but not impossible, after the tunnel for example.

The problem is that most cars aren't 5s apart but much closer than that.

Alonso isn't a risk junkie, at least you can't say that from this accident. Millions of people use bicycles everyday, it's becoming more popular in the West, encouraged for the environment and health, now companies might help pay for your bike, governments too ! What's a shame is stupid drivers not looking in their mirrors before turning !

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 14, 2021, 04:09:34 PM

I think the teams are broadly supportive now of trying it, yes. AFAIK the plan was to try it in maybe three races in 2021 (or at least there were three where they thought it might be an option). I think the sticking point when it was last raised as a possibility was Mercedes not liking the 'reverse grid' element of it... but now that's been removed and Mercedes are on board.

The reverse grid will never happen in F1 since in some tracks like Monaco is impossible to overtake even if a car is 5 sec slower for a lap.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 14, 2021, 01:17:37 PM

Are we really going in the direction of sprint races?

I think the teams are broadly supportive now of trying it, yes. AFAIK the plan was to try it in maybe three races in 2021 (or at least there were three where they thought it might be an option). I think the sticking point when it was last raised as a possibility was Mercedes not liking the 'reverse grid' element of it... but now that's been removed and Mercedes are on board.

Could be interesting, and would create more spectator interest than the normal free practice sessions that it would replace. I think there are financial issues still to resolve, e.g. teams more likely to incur expensive damage during a race format than during a practice format, with the increased money on offer not sufficient to cover any but very minor damage.

But the plan I think is just to test it out this year, not have it at all the races.

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There's something new from KTM. The new motorbike used by Oliveira and Brad Binder changed color to orange after Red Bull officially left. Tech3 agreed to a new five year contract extension to remain an independent partner with KTM. They extended the five-year contract until 2026. For that, their name was changed to 'Tech3 KTM Factory Racing'.

Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/satellite-teams-win-title-tech3/5393142/

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Are we really going in the direction of sprint races?

Marko said Today he is supporting the idea.

If they says yes they will START FROM THIS YEAR! 2021.

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-team/f1-marko-sprint-race-ok-ci-sono-troppe-gare-noiose-helmut-red-bull-monza-montreal-interlagos-549032.html

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The fact that Lewis clearly got just 1 year contract tell us that this is his last year in F1. Even if he wins the title this year ( which I doubt can happen ) he won't get a new contract as even him knows he wants to retire in a way or another to enjoy the other sports he likes to do. What I don't understand is , why keep Bottas tho ? For what ? He can fight for the title and he also makes big mistake under pressure...all of this because of Lewis as Bottas was really cold driver before joining Mercedes.

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Quote from: boltz on February 13, 2021, 10:12:58 AM

See , this is the problem with some F1 drivers ...they are adrenaline junkies so if they're not a their F1 car they will try to get a piece from that adrenaline by doing other sports. We all remember what Heyden got by riding a bicycle right ? Sad

I wonder what was in Alonso's head to take that bicycle for a ride as they're very dangerous if the traffic is not controller, especially when you have racing bicycle.

I'm glad he's okay and he will be back in his F1 seat before the start of season.

I was really sad when I first heard that Alonso had a bicycle accident. It was being said also that he could miss some races in the season. I am pleased to hear that he will be in a good shape before the season. I hope we never see an accident like M. Schumacher had. It made me really upset.

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Quote from: boltz on February 13, 2021, 10:12:58 AM

See , this is the problem with some F1 drivers ...they are adrenaline junkies so if they're not a their F1 car they will try to get a piece from that adrenaline by doing other sports.

I've often wondered whether F1 drivers have brains that are just wired differently to normal people, such that they have no sense of danger (or an extremely diminished sense). I'd agree 100% that when not driving F1 cars they can often be found pursuing other dangerous activities - Michael Schumacher's terrible off-piste skiing accident being the most high profile example.

I'm not saying they're reckless, they're not, you have to be tremendously focused and disciplined, and have phenomenal concentration, to be able to drive an F1 car at full speed for a couple of hours without a break. But this utter absence of fear does seem to be a common characteristic.

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See , this is the problem with some F1 drivers ...they are adrenaline junkies so if they're not a their F1 car they will try to get a piece from that adrenaline by doing other sports. We all remember what Heyden got by riding a bicycle right ? Sad

I wonder what was in Alonso's head to take that bicycle for a ride as they're very dangerous if the traffic is not controller, especially when you have racing bicycle.

I'm glad he's okay and he will be back in his F1 seat before the start of season.

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There is some important news announced today. F1 are planning to make race on Portimao track on free slot on 2nd May. They also agreed on engine freeze for 2022. And also, Sprint Race format got positive support.
I'm happy that Portimao track is added, I liked it last year. Personally, I'm a bit sceptical about sprint race idea, but it's just my opinion. And news about engines freeze is good thing for Red Bull as I understand.

I also read about sprint races but on Saturday overwriting the actual pole position.
They are talking about a 100km ish race to determine who will start in the 1st position on Sunday.

While I like the idea I will be sad if we lose the actual pole position system.

About the engines freeze, the question you should ask is.

Why Ferrari with a bad engine in 2020, probably a decent engine for 2021 but not the best has accepted this thing?

If I was Ferrari I will never accept this rule except... I have a big surprise incoming. Maybe they find something like in 2019

I want Ferrari to gain their great performance they had in 2019 so bad. I agree with you on your idea about the reason they have accepted the engine freeze. There must be definitely something as a reason not to object to this. I hope they found a way to improve their performance a great deal.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on February 12, 2021, 12:24:05 PM

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About the engines freeze, the question you should ask is.

Why Ferrari with a bad engine in 2020, probably a decent engine for 2021 but not the best has accepted this thing?

If I was Ferrari I will never accept this rule except... I have a big surprise incoming. Maybe they find something like in 2019

Good point. If this engine freeze would hurt Ferrari, they would never agree on it. So, probably there is some things behind the curtain that we don't know.

Quote from: dre1982 on February 12, 2021, 07:59:42 AM

Seems that he have to have an operation for his braken jaw but Alpine expects that he will just be back when the season starts.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alpine-expect-alonso-to-be-fully-operational-ahead-of-new-season-after.1XsjaXqNcXftGx62ZwHvBH.html

Broken jaw isreally painful injury, but it's good to read that he will be ready for new season.
Nico Hulkenberg left chat.

Guess Hulkenberg would still sit waiting next to his phone. He probably is the most recommended driver for most team when a driver gets covid.

But let's hope he won't be needed.

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Has proven by Russel, any good driver can win with Mercedes

I'd disagree with this. Russell drove well in a single race but failed to win.

Failed to win, in his 1st race with a new car with 0 Km done and lost only because his team made a mistake in the pit stop.
Destroyed Bottas before the pit stop, overtook him after.

Not only, after recovering the 10-15secs for the team mistake he was winning again but he got a puncture...

Sure failed to win...

Okay, I'm willing to amend my "drove well in a single race but failed to win" and upgrade it to: "drove really well in a single race but failed to win".

I do appreciate that he's a good driver, a great potential talent for the future, but put him in a Merc in circumstances like that Turkey race I used as an example, and you can't say he'd win it as Hamilton did. My point is not that Russell is a bad driver, of course he's not, but rather that he's more potential than finished article. All the speculation around the Hamilton contract with people saying they could just bring Russell in as a straight swap, based on one race, was just ridiculous. He did well, yes, very well, yes, but F1 is littered with instances of drivers who've performed exceptionally from time to time, whereas there are very few who demonstrate the combination of talent, racecraft and utter remorseless consistency that make them multiple world champions.

Sorry, but the 'anyone can win in a Mercedes' argument grates a bit. Mercedes have the best car. Does that mean they think: 'oh well, we've got the best car, let's just stick any random driver in, doesn't matter who they are'... or do they think: 'we've got the best car, we can have any driver we want, let's get the best driver'?

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Quote from: AndySt on February 12, 2021, 06:20:45 PM

I would still not call Russell just a good driver

Russell already won 2 world championships in his 1st year in every category. The track is already clear for him.

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