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Ducati launch and presentation about the new bike for the session 2021

Live presentation



Link to the photo gallery

https://www.motogp.com/en/gallery/2021/02/09/photo-gallery-ducati-lenovo-team-show-off-new-2021-livery/360895

I think the black Lenovo lettering takes a bit of getting used to, but I'm looking forward to seeing Bagnaia at the Ducati this year. I think he will have a strong season on the factory Ducati.
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If Red Bull truly brings a good car this year then it would be very good for the Championship as beside Verstappen even Perez I think will be doing great because he is finally able to drive a title contender car.However Mercedes still remains the team to beat for the upcoming season.

I think things will be very different at Red Bull in the oncoming season. Because we don't have Albon this time and Perez is going to be in his place. Grin  It means a lot to me that I expect a much better performance from both Red Bull drivers now. Perez is one of the drivers I like the most on the grid. He did a very good job at Racing Point last season. We can also see a good competition between Perez and Verstappen.
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I can hardly bring myself to watch formula 1 for a few years now. It is just not as exciting to watch as a few years ago.
Nowadays it's all about tire management and not about racing at the absolute limit, if a driver is really pushing it his tires will be gone after 5 rounds. I also miss refueling during the pit stops.
Plus Mercedes is so far ahead that hamilton wins every race easily even when he is holding back and his teammate is happy with being no. 2 behind him, which i don't blame him for.

The tyre management makes it boring to watch. The most existing races where the one where they had to make at least a 2-stopper.

Changing the rule that they have to make at least 1 pitstop to 2 pitstops would be more existing but I don't see that happen. Maybe the new tyres of this season force teams to make more then one pitstop. While they were testing them in the last races they didnt last that long as I remember.

Yes that's the think what make boring to watch Formula 1 also behind Mercedes, all driver must show on your tyres and can not drive to there limits. In addition, I would prefer smaller tanks and no limit to the amount of fuel that would require at least one refueling stop.
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I can hardly bring myself to watch formula 1 for a few years now. It is just not as exciting to watch as a few years ago.
Nowadays it's all about tire management and not about racing at the absolute limit, if a driver is really pushing it his tires will be gone after 5 rounds. I also miss refueling during the pit stops.
Plus Mercedes is so far ahead that hamilton wins every race easily even when he is holding back and his teammate is happy with being no. 2 behind him, which i don't blame him for.

The tyre management makes it boring to watch. The most existing races where the one where they had to make at least a 2-stopper.

Changing the rule that they have to make at least 1 pitstop to 2 pitstops would be more existing but I don't see that happen. Maybe the new tyres of this season force teams to make more then one pitstop. While they were testing them in the last races they didnt last that long as I remember.
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I can hardly bring myself to watch formula 1 for a few years now. It is just not as exciting to watch as a few years ago.
Nowadays it's all about tire management and not about racing at the absolute limit, if a driver is really pushing it his tires will be gone after 5 rounds. I also miss refueling during the pit stops.
Plus Mercedes is so far ahead that hamilton wins every race easily even when he is holding back and his teammate is happy with being no. 2 behind him, which i don't blame him for.
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If Red Bull truly brings a good car this year then it would be very good for the Championship as beside Verstappen even Perez I think will be doing great because he is finally able to drive a title contender car.However Mercedes still remains the team to beat for the upcoming season.

Perez can make a big difference. Whilst Mercedes are likely to continue to have the best car, Verstappen has demonstrated that the Red Bull can compete fairly well with them. One of the issues last season was that Mercedes could very easily beat Red Bull on strategy, because they always had two cars at the front to Red Bull's one. They could go split strategies every time, and force Max to pit whenever they wanted him to by making him cover off one of the Mercs. If Red Bull had two cars at the front, that strategic advantage goes. Even more, if Bottas continues to struggle, and we have a situation with Hamilton and two Red Bulls at the front, then we enter a scenario where Red Bull can force Hamilton to pit whenever they want in order to cover off one of the Red Bulls. And then suddenly Red Bull have the advantage, even if their car is a bit worse than the Merc, because they can control how the race plays out.

This is why the second driver is crucial at top teams. Bottas' underperformance in recent years hasn't been an issue, because there wasn't a viable competitor with two good drivers. That may change this time around with Verstappen and Perez.
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If Red Bull truly brings a good car this year then it would be very good for the Championship as beside Verstappen even Perez I think will be doing great because he is finally able to drive a title contender car.However Mercedes still remains the team to beat for the upcoming season.
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So we will see a new circus next year when this contract ends or will it be the last season of Hamilton.

If Hamilton wins his 8 title he got all the records and nothing more to race for. Of course more titles would be great but I see him going to do something else after a 8th title.

Yes this is maybe after he won the 8 championship he is looking for a new challenge? Or the contract and conditions for more than one year Mercedes are to expensive and set at the new area on young driver?

I have some doubts that he will win the 8 championship as this year RedBull seems pretty strong especially that it will be Honda's last year in F1 as they are set to retire plus the fact that Vestappen has reached the mature age when he can take wins as long as the car is there up to his level.

Russel will be on Mercedes car for 2021 , this is what I'm hoping for.

Hamilton still got the best papers for winning the championship but Red Bull could be closer then last year. Last year Verstappen already was a lot closer if he didn't got that 5 DNF. Even with those DNF's he was very close at Bottas. This year he got Perez as his teammate which will leads that Mercedes have to change their tacticts in the races. Last season with Albon at Red Bull Mercedes didn't even had to take that in account because Albon wasn't driving at the front cars.
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So we will see a new circus next year when this contract ends or will it be the last season of Hamilton.

If Hamilton wins his 8 title he got all the records and nothing more to race for. Of course more titles would be great but I see him going to do something else after a 8th title.

Yes this is maybe after he won the 8 championship he is looking for a new challenge? Or the contract and conditions for more than one year Mercedes are to expensive and set at the new area on young driver?

I have some doubts that he will win the 8 championship as this year RedBull seems pretty strong especially that it will be Honda's last year in F1 as they are set to retire plus the fact that Vestappen has reached the mature age when he can take wins as long as the car is there up to his level.

Russel will be on Mercedes car for 2021 , this is what I'm hoping for.
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So we will see a new circus next year when this contract ends or will it be the last season of Hamilton.

If Hamilton wins his 8 title he got all the records and nothing more to race for. Of course more titles would be great but I see him going to do something else after a 8th title.

Yes this is maybe after he won the 8 championship he is looking for a new challenge? Or the contract and conditions for more than one year Mercedes are to expensive and set at the new area on young driver?
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It seems to be only 1-year contract.

This angle is covered on the BBC page (excerpt below). It does make sense, really, when you think about it.

But I would expect him to continue with Mercedes in 2022 - after winning the 2021 title Cheesy
2021 will likely be a Mercedes procession, but 2022 is a reset for the whole field, and should result in closer racing with more teams being competitive. Hamilton has complained in the past about not having real close competitors, it's something he seems to relish - as I'm sure all racers would - and he'd surely be eager to test himself against rivals on a more level playing field rather than simply retire.


Why only a year?
Team boss Toto Wolff said the duration of the contract was a consequence of the lateness of the talks, which was caused by them having to delay negotiations when Hamilton contracted Covid in December, and their mutual desire to "see how the world develops".

There is the uncertainty caused by the pandemic, as well as by a number of major rule changes in F1, including a budget cap that starts this year at $145m (£114m) and new technical rules for 2022 aimed at closing up the field.

Wolff said the global situation could have an impact on the team's revenue, while Daimler as a group is having to invest in electrification, adding: "We are living a financial reality that is very different from a few years ago."

He added: "We are totally in line - Lewis and me and the wider group in Mercedes - about the situation, so there was never a discrepancy in opinion.

"It was just we felt that we had a good signature on a 2021 contract and we needed to get going and then find some time in 2021 earlier than this time to discuss the future.

"And it's not to discuss only 2022 but also beyond, and that was not something we wanted to carve out via video conferencing between Christmas and the end of January."
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So we will see a new circus next year when this contract ends or will it be the last season of Hamilton.

If Hamilton wins his 8 title he got all the records and nothing more to race for. Of course more titles would be great but I see him going to do something else after a 8th title.
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Hamilton and Mercedes finally have an agreement. Its a contract for 2 yeats and Hamilton got a veto for who will be his teammate.
https://www.reportdoor.com/veto-power-and-2-year-contract-lewis-hamilton-and-mercedes-reportedly-reach-basic-agreement-on-f1-deal/
This not official.
The deadline is the start of F1 preseason test.
The tests will be in Bahrain from 12th to 14th of March, they will be done in the same place where 2 weeks later the 1st race will be done.
Hamilton has 5 more weeks to find an agreement with Mercedes.
They will still agree on where they will go from each other, because the interest in cooperation from both sides is mutual, although all these things related to signing a contract are already beginning to resemble elements of a staged show to attract audience interest to the team in the off-season. Because it seems that thanks to the new co-owner of the Mercedes racing team, there should be no problems with the financial part of the contract.

You're right that it not offical yet but at least the got to an agreement which will lead into a contract.

A lot of old drivers aren't that happy with the clause Hamilton wants in his contract. Especially Bernie Ecclestone isn't a fan of this contruction: https://www.news24.com/wheels/formulaone/everyone-is-replaceable-bernie-ecclestone-warns-lewis-hamilton-20210207

But let's be happy we will see Hamilton driving next year.
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Hamilton and Mercedes finally have an agreement. Its a contract for 2 yeats and Hamilton got a veto for who will be his teammate.
https://www.reportdoor.com/veto-power-and-2-year-contract-lewis-hamilton-and-mercedes-reportedly-reach-basic-agreement-on-f1-deal/
This not official.
The deadline is the start of F1 preseason test.
The tests will be in Bahrain from 12th to 14th of March, they will be done in the same place where 2 weeks later the 1st race will be done.
Hamilton has 5 more weeks to find an agreement with Mercedes.
They will still agree on where they will go from each other, because the interest in cooperation from both sides is mutual, although all these things related to signing a contract are already beginning to resemble elements of a staged show to attract audience interest to the team in the off-season. Because it seems that thanks to the new co-owner of the Mercedes racing team, there should be no problems with the financial part of the contract.
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Mercedes come back to DTM with GT3 rules.

https://www.laola1.at/de/red/motorsport/dtm/mercedes-kehrt-nach-zweijaehriger-absenz-in-die-dtm-zurueck/

But no details at this moment, no teams or driver at this time...

Good move from the DTM to use GT3 cars, it makes total sense. All motorsports must reduce costs, there is no need to develop tons of various cars based on the same one because each championship has various rules, that in the end don't make much of a difference.
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Hamilton and Mercedes finally have an agreement. Its a contract for 2 yeats and Hamilton got a veto for who will be his teammate.

https://www.reportdoor.com/veto-power-and-2-year-contract-lewis-hamilton-and-mercedes-reportedly-reach-basic-agreement-on-f1-deal/

This not official.

The deadline is the start of F1 preseason test.
The tests will be in Bahrain from 12th to 14th of March, they will be done in the same place where 2 weeks later the 1st race will be done.

Hamilton has 5 more weeks to find an agreement with Mercedes.
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There were a couple of years where the Ferrari package was right up there with Mercedes, but Ferrari didn't have the drivers to beat Hamilton.

Did they?  Merc always had the best car since the switch to the V6.  I mean imagine switching Vettel and Hamilton during that time when ‘Ferrari had the package’...  I think Vettel would be winning the championship by a mile cos really Ferrari is kinda behind in F1 auto development for more than a decade now.

Ferrari never had the best car but more could have been done with the car they had. Imagine if Alonso had been kept instead of Vettel, I'm sure they would have more wins, maybe even a championship.

Certainly for a lot of the V6 period Mercedes have had the best car, and sometimes by a significant margin. However that hasn't been the case the whole time. Considering 2018 as an example, the Ferrari package was certainly equal to Mercedes and even ahead of them for some of the season. I'd agree with aesma on the Alonso angle. If Ferrari had Alonso instead of Vettel in 2018, it could well have been a Ferrari championship win.

If Hamilton has the best car, he wins. If Hamilton in a Merc is competing with Vettel in a just-as-good Ferrari, Hamilton wins. But put Alonso or maybe Verstappen in that just-as-good Ferrari, and whilst I'd still favour Hamilton, the question is certainly a lot more open.
in 2018 ferrari was cheating as they had a system that adds drops of fuel on the straight line so that was the reason why they always were the fastest when it comes to going in straight. The FIA was on them at the end Ferrari teams payed a fine i think and sad they will help the FIA to detecte if any team was using some power unit enhancement they didn't admit to the public but since then their pace was no longer there.

I think they were burning oil not more fuel. If indeed they had been close to winning the championship, it would have made a major scandal for sure. As it is the FIA buried it for some reason. Well, because it's Ferrari.
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I don't know if we have any F1 Virtual Race fans out here but the British Grand Prix is just about to begin! You can watch it on both youtube and twitch!

Link to youtube : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_x53maksf4&ab_channel=FORMULA1

Link to twtich : https://www.twitch.tv/formula1

I hope Russel will win this one or maybe Arthur Leclerc will manage to pull out a victory! Also Courtois from Real Madrid is in the race!
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There were a couple of years where the Ferrari package was right up there with Mercedes, but Ferrari didn't have the drivers to beat Hamilton.

Did they?  Merc always had the best car since the switch to the V6.  I mean imagine switching Vettel and Hamilton during that time when ‘Ferrari had the package’...  I think Vettel would be winning the championship by a mile cos really Ferrari is kinda behind in F1 auto development for more than a decade now.

Ferrari never had the best car but more could have been done with the car they had. Imagine if Alonso had been kept instead of Vettel, I'm sure they would have more wins, maybe even a championship.

Certainly for a lot of the V6 period Mercedes have had the best car, and sometimes by a significant margin. However that hasn't been the case the whole time. Considering 2018 as an example, the Ferrari package was certainly equal to Mercedes and even ahead of them for some of the season. I'd agree with aesma on the Alonso angle. If Ferrari had Alonso instead of Vettel in 2018, it could well have been a Ferrari championship win.

If Hamilton has the best car, he wins. If Hamilton in a Merc is competing with Vettel in a just-as-good Ferrari, Hamilton wins. But put Alonso or maybe Verstappen in that just-as-good Ferrari, and whilst I'd still favour Hamilton, the question is certainly a lot more open.
in 2018 ferrari was cheating as they had a system that adds drops of fuel on the straight line so that was the reason why they always were the fastest when it comes to going in straight. The FIA was on them at the end Ferrari teams payed a fine i think and sad they will help the FIA to detecte if any team was using some power unit enhancement they didn't admit to the public but since then their pace was no longer there.
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