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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 29, 2020, 02:26:13 AM

Whether Albon or Gasly drives is not decisive, they have a similar level, but for Max is no option in the next years. As the second driver, Redbull will probably bring up its own offspring and Max will wait and see how competitive the new car is with the new rules. My guess.

At the new rules and with his end of the contract all will look at Hamilton, will he leave Mercedes?

I think he can stops in 2 years.
He will probably win these 2 championships and at that time he will be the all-time driver with more F1 titles...

For sure it will be a bad move if he leaves this year, he has no reason to do so without beating Schumacher.
He will probably race the next year too for a 50m/y contract and than IMHO he will change the team and try the new revolutionary cars or he will stop.

At that point, Max will go to Mercedes with Russel?

Verstappen to Mercedes would be great for him if they still have such great car. Too bad he will not be the youngest Formule 1 Champion. It's still possible if he win this season but I don't see that happen anymore.

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I think at lap!16 are not a tyre Problem he make a human error, but it's the second after last race. But that's racing so looks forward to the next race and his 200 Podium place. And yes it's fix and contract has already been signed.

The next GP at Le Mans France. Are you sure he will get on the podium for 200th? Looking at the history of the champion at Le Mans last year, it was a racer who had a powerful motorbike on the straight track of Honda and Ducati. How do you predict whether F. Quartararo will win again or Rossi will make a surprise?

The LeMans circuit is not the best for Yamaha, but the pace from Rossi is this year better than the last so i think many is possible. But I'm sure that he will get the 200th podium this year, the 90th win would be nice too, but that's more difficult then.

Last year Rossi are the best Yamaha driver at LeMans at #5, and from the #1 to #3 are not there or not in shape.

Also news from the Pramac Ducati team for the next year, there will drive Zarco and Martin.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/09/30/martin-and-zarco-confirmed-at-pramac-racing-for-2021/348214

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 29, 2020, 12:43:19 PM

I just checked the F1 standings and Albon is still at #5. I didn't expect to see him that high if you see his results. He got exactly half of Verstappen's points which is why to less but overall he isn't doing that bad overall.

Albon has been doing a pretty good drive on the last season and this season as well. He might not have podium finishes and other come-from-behind wins but he's consistent, and I think that's enough to have him a seat on Red Bull for much longer, unless of course he flops midway through the season and a series of bad beats occur when he's on the seat then we might see Gasly switching in. To be fair, I like how Albon drives compared to Gasly since the former is a much more calmer and calculated dude who only takes risks when it benefits him much. We've seen Gasly fuck up some good races simply by just being too aggressive and so far I do not see Albon doing that yet (given that the Thai racer does not have that much races yet).

You mean except when he tries to overtake Hamilton ?

RedBull used to throw away drivers who were just "consistent" but not fast enough, maybe now that they have one of the best drivers they care less about the other driver, I don't know. From what the commentators on Sky are saying Albon needs to be faster. Being at some point in races last or almost last fighting with Williams is really not a good look.

Also Verstappen has had several mechanical retirements otherwise he would have many more points.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 29, 2020, 02:26:13 AM

Whether Albon or Gasly drives is not decisive, they have a similar level, but for Max is no option in the next years. As the second driver, Redbull will probably bring up its own offspring and Max will wait and see how competitive the new car is with the new rules. My guess.

At the new rules and with his end of the contract all will look at Hamilton, will he leave Mercedes?

I think he can stops in 2 years.
He will probably win these 2 championships and at that time he will be the all-time driver with more F1 titles...

For sure it will be a bad move if he leaves this year, he has no reason to do so without beating Schumacher.
He will probably race the next year too for a 50m/y contract and than IMHO he will change the team and try the new revolutionary cars or he will stop.

At that point, Max will go to Mercedes with Russel?

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 28, 2020, 02:24:34 PM

I think at lap!16 are not a tyre Problem he make a human error, but it's the second after last race. But that's racing so looks forward to the next race and his 200 Podium place. And yes it's fix and contract has already been signed.

The next GP at Le Mans France. Are you sure he will get on the podium for 200th? Looking at the history of the champion at Le Mans last year, it was a racer who had a powerful motorbike on the straight track of Honda and Ducati. How do you predict whether F. Quartararo will win again or Rossi will make a surprise?

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 29, 2020, 12:43:19 PM

I just checked the F1 standings and Albon is still at #5. I didn't expect to see him that high if you see his results. He got exactly half of Verstappen's points which is why to less but overall he isn't doing that bad overall.

Albon has been doing a pretty good drive on the last season and this season as well. He might not have podium finishes and other come-from-behind wins but he's consistent, and I think that's enough to have him a seat on Red Bull for much longer, unless of course he flops midway through the season and a series of bad beats occur when he's on the seat then we might see Gasly switching in. To be fair, I like how Albon drives compared to Gasly since the former is a much more calmer and calculated dude who only takes risks when it benefits him much. We've seen Gasly fuck up some good races simply by just being too aggressive and so far I do not see Albon doing that yet (given that the Thai racer does not have that much races yet).

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I just checked the F1 standings and Albon is still at #5. I didn't expect to see him that high if you see his results. He got exactly half of Verstappen's points which is why to less but overall he isn't doing that bad overall.

I don't expect that they will switch drivers this season. Only if Albon f*cks up really bad the next races.

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Albon never won a championshp while Gasly won the GP2 series, that's a significant difference. And today he's still miles behind Verstappen. I don't know if RedBull will swap them again, but it might not even be a good thing for Gasly if they did, if it's only to be dominated by Verstappen again !

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Specially Gasly vs Albon Cheesy

Remember that Gasly was kicked out of the Red Bull and Albon was the one that replaced him.

Yep, I think these will be the last GPs for Albion in Redbull and Gasly will go back.
The problem is who will take MAX spot in 2 years when according to rumors he will go to Mercedes?

Whether Albon or Gasly drives is not decisive, they have a similar level, but for Max is no option in the next years. As the second driver, Redbull will probably bring up its own offspring and Max will wait and see how competitive the new car is with the new rules. My guess.

At the new rules and with his end of the contract all will look at Hamilton, will he leave Mercedes?

I think Albon is driving better compared to Gasly.While Gasly win was because of circumstances Albon performance has been stable and always has had good races with quite some overtakings.

As for Max going to Mercedes I think it is just a rumour as both Hamilton and Bottas give to Mercedes what theh want and this will continue for as long as possible.Unless Ferrari and McLaren bring up competitive cars no radical driver changes are going to happen.

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Specially Gasly vs Albon Cheesy

Remember that Gasly was kicked out of the Red Bull and Albon was the one that replaced him.

Yep, I think these will be the last GPs for Albion in Redbull and Gasly will go back.
The problem is who will take MAX spot in 2 years when according to rumors he will go to Mercedes?

Whether Albon or Gasly drives is not decisive, they have a similar level, but for Max is no option in the next years. As the second driver, Redbull will probably bring up its own offspring and Max will wait and see how competitive the new car is with the new rules. My guess.

At the new rules and with his end of the contract all will look at Hamilton, will he leave Mercedes?

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 28, 2020, 02:00:56 AM

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Not much action in today's race. Hamilton managed to lose race in such stupid way that I have no words. Interesting that he already have 10 penalty points. If he will get 2 more, he will have to miss one race.
Bottas said f*ck to haters, but saying it after he won race in such way - well, it doesn't looks like a strong message.
Not a bad race for Leclerc - P6. But for me it was a bit strange that stewards didn't even investigated his accident with Stroll.

Well, it was very stupid how he lost this race but all the blame is for his team.
He got the instruction and the permission to do this action which led to the time penalty.
I wonder why Hamilton is getting so much hate. He is the best driver on the grid but still people don't like him...

Well I think a lot of people don't like Hamilton that much due his behavior. If something doesn't go in a race as he expected he start acting like a little kid. He got the best car, best team behind him and in other years he was very lucky with decisions of the stewards. This year he isn't that lucky and already got some time penalties.

He might say some things on the race but after the race ends he doesn't behave like that.
It is all about on the pace and the stress of the race... He is still the best driver in the grid even if he is on the best car - it is not his problem that other teams do not invest as much as Mercedes- he needs to get more respect.

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Specially Gasly vs Albon Cheesy

Remember that Gasly was kicked out of the Red Bull and Albon was the one that replaced him.

Yep, I think these will be the last GPs for Albion in Redbull and Gasly will go back.
The problem is who will take MAX spot in 2 years when according to rumors he will go to Mercedes?

The gap between Albon and Verstappen is just way too big. 1.2 seconds during a qualification is a too big gap. Even against a driver like Verstappen you should be closer in the same car.

But I wonder who can beat Verstappen in qualifying? Maybe Gasly can get closer but won't be faster I think.

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Quote from: -CryptoViking- on September 28, 2020, 11:41:49 AM

Specially Gasly vs Albon Cheesy

Remember that Gasly was kicked out of the Red Bull and Albon was the one that replaced him.

Yep, I think these will be the last GPs for Albion in Redbull and Gasly will go back.
The problem is who will take MAX spot in 2 years when according to rumors he will go to Mercedes?

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 28, 2020, 12:22:16 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on September 28, 2020, 05:52:47 AM

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Sorry for Rossi, so he have also a chance to win but after his second front Tyre mistake he have already no chance to win his 10th championship. But i hope for his 90th win.

Too bad, he looked really fast that day I thought he could win. He followed Morbidelli before going wide and Quartararo led the race to the end being champions. Unfortunately he fell on Lap 16. Is it a tire problem like you said or Human error?
The latest news seems that the spirit of the old racer, Valentino Rossi, has not disappeared. I read in several articles that in the 2021 season he will join Petronas Yamaha SRT.

I think at lap!16 are not a tyre Problem he make a human error, but it's the second after last race. But that's racing so looks forward to the next race and his 200 Podium place. And yes it's fix and contract has already been signed.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 28, 2020, 05:52:47 AM

~snip~
Sorry for Rossi, so he have also a chance to win but after his second front Tyre mistake he have already no chance to win his 10th championship. But i hope for his 90th win.

Too bad, he looked really fast that day I thought he could win. He followed Morbidelli before going wide and Quartararo led the race to the end being champions. Unfortunately he fell on Lap 16. Is it a tire problem like you said or Human error?
The latest news seems that the spirit of the old racer, Valentino Rossi, has not disappeared. I read in several articles that in the 2021 season he will join Petronas Yamaha SRT.

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 28, 2020, 12:50:23 AM

It was a interesting race yesterday. I liked the battle between Norris, Albon and Gasly. That was quiet interesting racing.

At the front of the race not that much happened. Bottas was just cruising and Verstappen managed to closer the gap on the end but he was just too far away.
Good to see Verstappen can still finish a race. Grin

Specially Gasly vs Albon Cheesy

Remember that Gasly was kicked out of the Red Bull and Albon was the one that replaced him. This overtake meant a lot for Gasly to show he has it and that he is on par or better then Albon in "weaker" car Cheesy

I don't think Albon will be kicked out of Red Bull soon, as Red Bull saw that they need to give more time to younger drivers and that swapping dos not bring that much desired change so easily.It was a satisfaction for Gasly to overtake him anyway for sure.

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 27, 2020, 11:28:14 AM

Congratulations Fabio Quartararo is still able to secure the top position of the temporary MotoGP class, he finished first. This is the third win this season. Joan Mir and Alex Rins finished second and third. Fabio Quartararo leads the standings with eight points with second place Joan Mir.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

Good race from Quartararo, but he have many luck than the race are finished, the race pace from Suzuki are amazing. Sorry for Rossi, so he have also a chance to win but after his second front Tyre mistake he have already no chance to win his 10th championship. But i hope for his 90th win.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on September 28, 2020, 01:35:09 AM

I wonder why Hamilton is getting so much hate. He is the best driver on the grid but still people don't like him...

I wonder this as well. He's been disliked ever since he started. There's no obvious reason for it.

Quote from: dre1982 on September 28, 2020, 02:00:56 AM

Well I think a lot of people don't like Hamilton that much due his behavior. If something doesn't go in a race as he expected he start acting like a little kid. He got the best car, best team behind him and in other years he was very lucky with decisions of the stewards. This year he isn't that lucky and already got some time penalties.

He does get a bit petulant at times, but the thing is, so do the other drivers. Max for example is probably worse. Vettel is certainly worse. Hamilton is certainly no worse than his rivals in this regard, so I don't think this is a valid reason for disliking him.
Yes, he has the best car and best team... but this doesn't change the fact that he's also the best driver. Ferrari have been close to them in quality of car for the last couple of years (this year obviously not)... but they weren't a championship threat because their drivers aren't as good.
Not convinced either that he's luckier with steward decisions.

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I think that Bottas finally made a good dedication on his second victory on Sochi.He explicitly said on radio that he dedicates this win to all the bad mouth talk and to his critics.Finally some signs of life from Bottas although the win was greatly helped by Hamilton 10 seconds penaltys

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Quote from: Naida_BR on September 28, 2020, 01:35:09 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on September 27, 2020, 12:41:44 PM

Not much action in today's race. Hamilton managed to lose race in such stupid way that I have no words. Interesting that he already have 10 penalty points. If he will get 2 more, he will have to miss one race.
Bottas said f*ck to haters, but saying it after he won race in such way - well, it doesn't looks like a strong message.
Not a bad race for Leclerc - P6. But for me it was a bit strange that stewards didn't even investigated his accident with Stroll.

Well, it was very stupid how he lost this race but all the blame is for his team.
He got the instruction and the permission to do this action which led to the time penalty.
I wonder why Hamilton is getting so much hate. He is the best driver on the grid but still people don't like him...

Well I think a lot of people don't like Hamilton that much due his behavior. If something doesn't go in a race as he expected he start acting like a little kid. He got the best car, best team behind him and in other years he was very lucky with decisions of the stewards. This year he isn't that lucky and already got some time penalties.

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