Topic: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... - page 491. (Read 144020 times)

Well F1 has been through some shit show for the last decade that's right. And we, as the fans of the sport, are the ones mildly suffering as it's really shitty to see that the cars aren't really pushed to their limits unlike the heydays of F1 in the 80s to 90s. A lot of the regulations imposed by the FIA on the sport slowly killed the thrill of it. I believe that we can still see the best of these beasts of cars AND still abiding by the rules and safety regulations. However some people within the management--and also some within the teams--didn't have the balls to ask for more power for the cars but instead ask to nerf some of the best cars' best assets in order to play in a level playing field.

Imagine ingenious engineering techniques being added again to some of these cars like in the 80s and 90s and actually having some safety measures being observed. This could have been the best era for F1 with all the tech and all the new stuff we have for automobiles but here we are, teams constantly shouting to nerf other team's cars just because theirs weren't good enough.


If pit stops are designed to not expose the fuel tanks to heat or any other factors that could cause a fire, then refueling can still be possible. Add to that the car's gas tank being exposed already to intense heat from driving at insane speeds. There are a lot of factors accompanied to refueling that the FIA deemed it unsafe--or they are just not really wanting to spare some more money into development of such tech, both the teams and the management.

That's it, not the driver, car or fuel is the limit at time all limits make the tires and no many options for the driver and Team strategic...

I would prefer a smaller fuel tank so all teams must make 2 stops and better tires with more options for drive fast lap rounds, with the new technic i don't think the refueling is dangerous. And no fuel flow regulation, we are in motorsport and not who saves the best fuel and tires.

Less good tires are terrible solution and no real racer will ever say different. Point of Formula 1 is to see best racing drivers in the world drive fastest and best racing cars in the world, but not just drive them. The key is to drive them on the limit.

With tires less good as you say we will never again watch cars and drivers on the limit and finding that limit. For me that is the core of F1. Everything else is politics and bullshit for the show which we are experiencing for the last decade or so.

Mercedes bought Brawn GP, which was the Honda team. The Brawn GP was a Honda car with a Mercedes engine and a cool invention by Ross Brawn, the double diffuser. The car evolved from there, with for example for years problems with the rear tires overheating, which still sometimes happens to the current car. To me there is absolutely no relation to McLaren, at all.

The solution is not easy, even if they go back with no power unit why new teams like BMW, AUDI, LAMBO and more should join in F1? They will be too behind in development.

Those teams can join F1 only if every team will have stock parts but in that case, Ferrari and Mercedes will probably leave and found a new circus.
Ferrari and Mercedes will never run with another team engine.

About the refueling, I don't think it will never happen again, too many risks. A good solution is to use "less good tires" to create more pit stops but Pirelli tried to do so and team complained about it since more stops=more risks

I think we will eventually make a full circle and come back to the old ways, same like it happens with fashion and everything else. This type of racing is not attractive enough, there should also be more mechanical grip, harder to overtake and such. I would love for refueling to come back too, but I don't think that I will get to see that.

I read the same that Stefan Bradl will drive one more race and Mark Márquez must wait maybe also the second race at Aragon. But i only find a German article about this, at this article the news is official Form Honda.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/motogp/news/marc-marquez-comeback-verschiebt-sich-weiter-stefan-bradl-faehrt-auch-in-aragon-20101304

The last news I heard about Marquez, he will still be absent from the Aragon Grand Prix session. The Aragon Grand Prix takes place this week on the 18th. Anyone know how he is? or when will he recover and be in the race again? It seems that not many media have written about the progress of the injury. If he remains absent, then if his points are counted with the highest points he will be displaced from this year's world champion candidate. It happened because it was certain that even if you participated in the remaining races and always won, it was not enough to chase the highest point.

Yes, and I know it but the reason used by Honda is "we already found what we are looking for our future electric cars in the mainstream" so the evolution seems to be already dead.

Even if they are going in full-electric mode teams are not interested in joining the race so maybe they need to go in the opposite direction, like American races where they race without thinking about the evolution of the mainstream.

MotoGP is always at the limit and if you want to be at the front you often go over it, don't think that a fall in the first lap has to do with age, but with concentration. He has already voluntarily made room for a younger driver in the factory team, and it is easily possible that he will be competitive again in the year 2021. 3 failures in a row is rather unusual for Rossi who has followed the last 10 years MotoGP (500ccm). But Vinales is also making some big mistakes this year, so the also drive at the limit, Yamaha have not enough speed so the must go more risk in the corners and at the brake.

I didn't understand what he was doing until he fell 3 times. Is this the age factor? If so, what about the 2021 season he will still follow MotoGP. It cannot be denied, Rossi is indeed an attraction to be followed. Regarding achievement, he must accept that he will be replaced by another young racer.

This is an important point that is overlooked. Hamilton nowadays has a very mature outlook, with one eye always on the championship standings. Whilst he does complain in adversity as we sometimes hear in-race, he doesn't let it affect his driving. This is in contrast to the Hamilton of a few years back when he was fighting Rosberg, and a bad team call or a bit of bad luck would have him sulking and could affect him for the full race weekend. Nowadays he has eradicated that weakness, and is just relentless.

Quick point on the Bottas retirement - his mistake actually cost him slightly more than the retirement (mistake: from +7 to -10 to Ham [Bottas 1st, Ham 2nd -> Ham 1st, Bottas 3rd]= -17 swing; retirement: another -15 on top of the -17).

I  think Honda sees no advantage in the actually Formula 1 technology, and the very complex energy recovery system means that the development costs are simply too high and no use case for Honda!

Look at IndyCar there are also Honda at Engine manufacture, Formula1 has a to expensive recovery system.


And about E Engine at Motorsport, no one will look at his and will pay for that. It's not the future in commercial use and especially not in "motorsport"! Formala-E look at TV is one of the boringst sports at TV!! That I can also play Carrera Bahn with friends in the basement.

I don't think it's possible that they will switch to full electric engines soon. This technology isn't developped enough to be used in F1. Have you watch Formula E race? They can't even race on proper tracks because these cars is just too slow for it. Length of race is 45 minutes, but often they run out of battery before finnish. Would they have to change battery during pit stop in F1?
 I'm not even talking about terrible sound of electric cars. Formula E cars sounds like loud vacuum cleaner and this sound makes headache after watching race for more than 10 minutes.

But are we sure about it?
Even now with the progressive use of the electrical engine, big companies like Honda are leaving the circus because they have no interest in the F1 engine.

"We have what we need" they said not a long time ago so "we are leaving".

The next topic for engines will be for the period 2025-2028 and they have 2 options, go full electric but we already have Formula-E or go back to full Gas mode.

And we already know what fans want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP6Bzlk5Z8

Hamilton is not going to lose this championship...
Only Bottas can make him lose it but he is far from the top now especially after Nurburgring circuit...
What makes Hamilton win those titles is that when he doesn't win he is still close to the podiums or gathers the maximum points he can. Bottas lost a significant point opportunity after retiring in this circuit and gave Hamilton a great advantaage.

Yes that's a really sound, but the F2004 is a V10 sound  , it's so sorry for the downsize in Motorsport   . But the Car Industry have so many pressure from the politics so no one dare to say we need a larger number of cylinders for the sport and the fans.

The last V12 engine is from 1995 Ferrari 412T2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZnUHC8w2s

I think greatly is because of the engine as it is the best out there since 2014 and up to now.However we cannot deny that Hamilton is a far more agressive driver than Schumacher was at his time and we saw yesterday he was eager to get the win although he was lucky.Since McLaren days Hamilton has had a lot of battles against Vettel,Massa and Rosberg and he has beaten them all,so a big well done to him and from now on his records will be the one to beat.

I am not a Mercedes nor Hamilton fan by the way.

Yeah, the sound is the thing that is missing today and a lot of other things which would allow us to discern a great driver from a good driver. More wrestling with the car.

It is great to see Mick around in F1 paddock, he will be driving next year in Alfa, after he wins the GP2 title this year. I am watching closely and he is not Michael for sure, but if he could be half of that I would be more then happy.

To be more precise, I consider him Mick Schumacher and try to avoid comparing him with his dad as much as possible, although that is a bit hard to avoid. I try to look at him as a great young prospect, with much more pressure on his back then other young drivers, so I'm impressed so far with his dedication and approach.

^  Yup...  He's been untouchable for 6 years straight now thanks to that Merc V6 Turbo.  

I wonder if Ross Brawn has something in the works to bring back the aspirated engines.  You guys see Schumacher's son drive his dad's F1 car with the V12?  Listen to dat saaaaooowwnd!  Just bring it back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XuHu6F9C4M